Are Russia preparing for WW3?

Water Melon said:
I am with MoBeats on this one. The US government likes to overthrow governments' of other countries if they are not pro-US. They will try to support opposition to make the overthrow look legitimate or they will just invade a country and make it look as if they are fighting for freedom of "oppressed" people. The results are always the same: thousands/millions killed, infrastructure of the "freed" country is ruined, UN Security Council issues resolutions which usually mean sweet feck all. Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria among the most recent ones - it will take decades to rebuild them. And nobody will return to back to life millions of people including soldiers who died thousands of miles away from their motherland. As for Putin in Syria: of course he is trying to protect Russia's only military base outside of the former USSR countries. Geopolitical conflicts: big boys show their muscles, innocent people suffer. No surprise really, been the same throughout the whole history of humanity. What a time to be alive...
As for WW III, it will not happen unless, there is a direct military conflict between Russia, US, China. Hopefully, this will not happen anytime soon. I am more worried about a potential financial crisis, which will have catastrophic consequences all over the world.
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That's the nature of the International system. The most powerful states set the agenda in terms of power.
 
There wont be a direct war between the US and Russia, though the stupidity of having no fly zones will increase the possibility of local conflicts.
The US has commited attrocities throughout the years...regime changes and what have you.
We will continue to be involved in proxy wars.
 
barros said:
Doesn't work like that with the Russians, more we try to hurt their economy more strength to Putin then he will go to the extreme like invading Ukraine and then what? War? We couldn't beat the talibans so a conventional war against the Russians in their territory would be a suicide .... nuclear? You see more we hurt the Russians less they have to lose. Like I said before, US are terrible with foreign policy and you just highlight that.
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There has to be some sort of leverage to prevent them from invading their neighbors and carpet bombing civilian populations in Aleppo. Economic sanctions are the best way to go about this in terms of placing costs on certain types of behavior, and its certainly the better option than getting into a hot war.
 
Raoul said:
There has to be some sort of leverage to prevent them from invading their neighbors and carpet bombing civilian populations in Aleppo. Economic sanctions are the best way to go about this in terms of placing costs on certain types of behavior, and its certainly the better option than getting into a hot war.
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What sort of leverage would you propose to use to prevent the USA and its allies from invading other countries and bombing civilians since they've been doing it much longer and in a much bigger scale than anybody else?
 
antihenry said:
What sort of leverage would you propose to use to prevent the USA and its allies from invading other countries and bombing civilians since they've been doing it much longer and in a much bigger scale than anybody else?
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Its all a matter of power at the end of the day. Bigger countries have more latitude to advance their policies. Russia's economy is about half the size of California's, so if you want to go invading Ukraine, stealing its land, agitating to manipulate foreign elections, invade a failed state like Syria, then you have to be prepared for the economic repercussions from powerful states that reject your actions - the US and Eurozone being the two big ones.
 
One rule for them, another for you?
Cloud cuckoo land type thinking.
The US love war, the people don't give a feck because it's never on their doorstep, and they're told they're there to depose someone so the people end up convinced they're doing the right thing. It's never turned out to be the right thing yet.
What makes anyone think this time will be different?
 

Did anyone bother to watch this when I posted it the other day?
 
MoBeats said:

Did anyone bother to watch this when I posted it the other day?
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:lol: these clowns are on Assad's payroll, if they really care about the Syrian people and justice, why did they not once mention the innocent people Assad killed during the protests? Why not demand justice for those families?
 
Raoul said:
Its all a matter of power at the end of the day. Bigger countries have more latitude to advance their policies. Russia's economy is about half the size of California's, so if you want to go invading Ukraine, stealing its land, agitating to manipulate foreign elections, invade a failed state like Syria, then you have to be prepared for the economic repercussions from powerful states that reject your actions - the US and Eurozone being the two big ones.
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See, there you go again, piliing up together bunch of half-thruths and outright lies, like calling Russian military operation in Syria "an invasion", when it's what the US and their so called coalition have actually done.

I have a problem with your views not even because you're consistently defending American policies but rather because of your faux moral outrage at Putin and Russia. You're not mad at them for invading sovereign countries or bombing civilians since your own country has been doing that for eons and have done far more damage in the Middle East alone than Putin possibly could, even if he wanted to. You're pissed off because Russians defy the new world order, the one America has established where they can do whatever they want and everybody else just bends over and waits for their turn. And don't make me laugh about the Eurozone, as if those countries have any semblance of independent politics. British politicians haven't had an independent thought since the end of the WW2, France and Germany may disagree with their bosses from across the pond but ultimately they'll never do anything about it because they're owned by Americans financially. The rest aren't even worth mentioning.
 
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2mufc0 said:
:lol: these clowns are on Assad's payroll, if they really care about the Syrian people and justice, why did they not once mention the innocent people Assad killed during the protests? Why not demand justice for those families?
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UN and US peace keeping inspectors, on Assads payroll, that's a good one.
 
MoBeats said:
UN and US peace keeping inspectors, on Assads payroll, that's a good one.
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Not one mention or condemnation of Assad's crimes, invited by Assad to the country, shown around by Assad, accommodation paid by Assad, you do the math.
 
The math? Ok, the math tells us the US and UK are in Syria on a pack of lies. As per usual.
 
antihenry said:
See, there you go again, piliing up together bunch of half-thruths and outright lies, like calling Russian military operation in Syria "an invasion", when it's what the US and their so called coalition have actually done.

I have a problem with your views not even because you're consistently defending American policies but rather because of your faux moral outrage at Putin and Russia. You're not mad at them for invading sovereign countries or bombing civilians since your own country has been doing that for eons and have done far more damage in the Middle East alone than Putin possibly could, even if he wanted to. You're pissed off because Russians defy the new world order, the one America has established where they can do whatever they want and everybody else just bends over and waits for their turn. And don't make me laugh about the Eurozone, as if those countries have any semblance of independent politics. British politicians haven't had an independent thought since the end of the WW2, France and Germany may disagree with their bosses from across the pond but ultimately they'll never do anything about it because they're owned by Americans financially. The rest aren't even worth mentioning.
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Russia are demolishing an entire City, they don't give a toss about civilian life. That's far worse than anything US has done in recent history (Americans are a bunch of cowboys as well).

According to Googles, Aleppo had a population of 2.3m, Birminghams population is just over 1m. So we're talking about a city with double the population of UKs 2nd biggest city.
 
MoBeats said:
The math? Ok, the math tells us the US and UK are in Syria on a pack of lies. As per usual.
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Tell that to the families whose brothers, sisters, fathers and mothers who were killed by Assad for peacefully protesting against his rule.
 
Raoul said:
Its all a matter of power at the end of the day. Bigger countries have more latitude to advance their policies. Russia's economy is about half the size of California's, so if you want to go invading Ukraine, stealing its land, agitating to manipulate foreign elections, invade a failed state like Syria, then you have to be prepared for the economic repercussions from powerful states that reject your actions - the US and Eurozone being the two big ones.
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You keep saying this, but Russia was invited to intervene in Syria at behest of the government, unlike the US and its Islamist allies who decided they were the new sovereign overseers of the country.
 
RedSky said:
Russia are demolishing an entire City, they don't give a toss about civilian life. That's far worse than anything US has done in recent history (Americans are a bunch of cowboys as well).

According to Googles, Aleppo had a population of 2.3m, Birminghams population is just over 1m. So we're talking about a city with double the population of UKs 2nd biggest city.
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Surely the point being made is that the US, amongst other foreign states, are actively supporting militia who are the other side of Russia's actions? The horrors of Aleppo are the responsibility, equally, of a multinational immoral collective and that the spin in the Western media is positioning Russia and Assad as the baddies in a conflict that is a far more complex network of internationally backed atrocities? I don't claim to be an expert on geopolitics influences in Syria, but it is extremely difficult to take the Western media's spin of Russia & Assad vs. the good guys, especially given that the "good guys" in this mix are, at least partially, Wahhabist nihilists. Certainly the US (and I assume backed by the UK at least) are bombing Syria, and have been for some time, are insisting on sanctions, harming the Syrian people, and are actively backing lunatic fundamentalists. I think it is a moot point as to whether that is worse or not than Russia's actions.
 
Fingeredmouse said:
Surely the point being made is that the US, amongst other foreign states, are actively supporting militia who are the other side of Russia's actions? The horrors of Aleppo are the responsibility, equally, of a multinational immoral collective and that the spin in the Western media is positioning Russia and Assad as the baddies in a conflict that is a far more complex network of internationally backed atrocities? I don't claim to be an expert on geopolitics influences in Syria, but it is extremely difficult to take the Western media's spin of Russia & Assad vs. the good guys, especially given that the "good guys" in this mix are, at least partially, Wahhabist nihilists. Certainly the US (and I assume backed by the UK at least) are bombing Syria, and have been for some time, are insisting on sanctions, harming the Syrian people, and are actively backing lunatic fundamentalists. I think it is a moot point as to whether that is worse or not than Russia's actions.
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I think the problem is that our stance (UK at least) has been very confusing given we initially backed Assad. But if you look at the cold hard facts, Russia and Assad are killing civilians on mass in a civilian environment specifically targeting civilian buildings which for me is indefensible. This is ignoring the use of chemical weapons ffs.
 
2mufc0 said:
Tell that to the families whose brothers, sisters, fathers and mothers who were killed by Assad for peacefully protesting against his rule.
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It may very well be the case that Assad and the Syrian Government have behaved appallingly...that is easy to believe although it is so hard to divine the truth, but the evidence seems to be there....but it is just as easy to believe that the reasons for engagement in Syria of the US and its allies is not based on altruistic humanitarianism, and it seems to be the case that the West have both committed and supported equally appalling actions ourselves. There's a hell of a lot of precedent for the US initiating regime change to achieve geo-political goals (especially in the middle east) and having no qualms about creating allies with appalling ideological forces if the ends are felt to justify the means.
 
RedSky said:
I think the problem is that our stance (UK at least) has been very confusing given we initially backed Assad. But if you look at the cold hard facts, Russia and Assad are killing civilians on mass in a civilian environment specifically targeting civilian buildings which for me is indefensible. This is ignoring the use of chemical weapons ffs.
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It is clearly indefensible. But it's two indefensible sides in an indefensible conflict. The people of Syria are caught centre stage on an indefensible geo-political theatre. I've no idea who to back other than the Syrian population , but an elected Russia backed secular government of bastards callously sacrificing their own people doesn't seem worse than a bunch of religious fundamentalist rapist barbarians and mercenaries backed by Saudi, the US and Israel slaughtering somebody else's people. It's an absolute disaster and the effects and aftermath of this will be felt globally for years to come.
 
Fingeredmouse said:
It is clearly indefensible. But it's two indefensible sides in an indefensible conflict. The people of Syria are caught centre stage on an indefensible geo-political theatre. I've no idea who to back other than the Syrian population , but an elected Russia backed secular government of bastards callously sacrificing their own people doesn't seem worse than a bunch of religious fundamentalist rapist barbarians and mercenaries backed by Saudi, the US and Israel slaughtering somebody else's people. It's an absolute disaster and the effects and aftermath of this will be felt globally for years to come.
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100% agree. We're all using Syria as a global punching bag.
 
Fingeredmouse said:
It is clearly indefensible. But it's two indefensible sides in an indefensible conflict. The people of Syria are caught centre stage on an indefensible geo-political theatre. I've no idea who to back other than the Syrian population , but an elected Russia backed secular government of bastards callously sacrificing their own people doesn't seem worse than a bunch of religious fundamentalist rapist barbarians and mercenaries backed by Saudi, the US and Israel slaughtering somebody else's people. It's an absolute disaster and the effects and aftermath of this will be felt globally for years to come.
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Great post. Harrowing yet on the money.
 
RedSky said:
Russia are demolishing an entire City, they don't give a toss about civilian life. That's far worse than anything US has done in recent history (Americans are a bunch of cowboys as well).

According to Googles, Aleppo had a population of 2.3m, Birminghams population is just over 1m. So we're talking about a city with double the population of UKs 2nd biggest city.
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Sorry to burst your bubble but that city had been pretty much demolished by the time Russian aviation got there. Aleppo's civilian population is close to 250,000 at the moment and it wasn't Russians that turned it into ruins.
 
antihenry said:
Sorry to burst your bubble but that city had been pretty much demolished by the time Russian aviation got there. Aleppo's civilian population is close to 250,000 at the moment and it wasn't Russians that turned it into ruins.
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Feel free to expand on this please. In fact I insist.
 
Apparently this is a justification to carpet bomb the remaining inhabitants into the stone age.
 
Could bury it all in a thread called disastrous American foreign policy, that might be easier.
 
MoBeats said:
Could bury it all in a thread called disastrous American foreign policy, that might be easier.
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Or better yet we could just bury your posts and discuss topics like grown ups, free of fringe conspiracy BS.
 
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