Shh, keep it low so the Anti-Messi fanboys can keep it up with the "Messi's shit for Argentina" argument
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Shh, keep it low so the Anti-Messi fanboys can keep it up with the "Messi's shit for Argentina" argument
As embarrassing as this result is, I would argue that Spain has done Argentina a favour by exposing them so badly. Now they know all the areas where they need to improve.
It’s better to get exposed in friendlies than to get exposed in the actual tournament itself.
It’s better to get exposed in friendlies than to get exposed in the actual tournament itself.
Meza + Messi +9
Sir Tim Vickery's take on thing (he posted this before the game):
http://www.worldsoccer.com/news/jorge-sampaoli-argentina-400690
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There has been plenty of nervy chopping and changing already. The coach’s initial plan was to bring in Mauro Icardi and Paulo Dybala alongside Lionel Messi. It was, frankly, a disaster, with the new men all but completely anonymous. But this is a case of swapping names, and Argentina are rich in attacking resources; Icardi may be out of the picture, but Sergio Aguero, Gonzalo Higuain or new kid on the block Lautaro Martinez are all viable candidates for the centre forward position.
The bigger problems are structural. How should the team line up? What should the base formation be? And with some 80 days to go until the World Cup, the answers to these important questions are not entirely clear.
Sampaoli always wants to press high, strangle the opposition in their own half and create two against one situations down the flanks. His preference has been for a back three. But, given the paucity of Argentina’s current defensive resources, it has not looked solid – and collapsed entirely in a friendly against Nigeria (World Cup group opponents) played last November"
http://www.worldsoccer.com/news/jorge-sampaoli-argentina-400690
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There has been plenty of nervy chopping and changing already. The coach’s initial plan was to bring in Mauro Icardi and Paulo Dybala alongside Lionel Messi. It was, frankly, a disaster, with the new men all but completely anonymous. But this is a case of swapping names, and Argentina are rich in attacking resources; Icardi may be out of the picture, but Sergio Aguero, Gonzalo Higuain or new kid on the block Lautaro Martinez are all viable candidates for the centre forward position.
The bigger problems are structural. How should the team line up? What should the base formation be? And with some 80 days to go until the World Cup, the answers to these important questions are not entirely clear.
Sampaoli always wants to press high, strangle the opposition in their own half and create two against one situations down the flanks. His preference has been for a back three. But, given the paucity of Argentina’s current defensive resources, it has not looked solid – and collapsed entirely in a friendly against Nigeria (World Cup group opponents) played last November"
Can't wait for Messi to get blamed for this pathetic team getting knocked out in a few months.
I tried to warn yall about Argentina’s defensive problems. And that Bustos can’t defend.
I don't know if at this point Uruguay doesn't have a better team tbh...
Some stuffs of nightmare from Otamendi there. Felt bad for our own Marcos, hopefully Romero is fine.
Been saying it for awhile that you can name all the so called fantastic players for Argentina all day long, but the bottom line is they're an average team filled with individuals.
They are better. Better organised, better defenders and up front two no names in Suarez and Cavani
They look like a team with a clear structure, Argentina are all over the place with players that seem to have never played with each otherArgentina and Brazil should not play against Germany and Spain with the same tactics used against the other NTS. Germany and Spain are playing that same style for more than 10 years. Look the midfielder that Brazil used against Germany today: Casemiro-Fernandinho-Paulinho..tres volantes de marca.Meza + Messi +9
Except Brazil managed to beat Germany today even if it was a friendly
The thing is that most of them didn´t play with each other.They are better. Better organised, better defenders and up front two no names in Suarez and Cavani
The manager doesnt help either, i dont think he is suited to this team.
And all these so called fantastic players except Messi are strikers. And only one of them can be on the pitch at a time in Sampaoli's tactics.
You won't win the World Cup with players like Bustos, Mercado, Tagliafico, Rojo, Funes Mori, Fazio, Biglia, Mascherano, Banega, Pavon, Lo Celso etc.
Exactly and the likes of Aguero and Higuain rarely turn up for the NT. Dybala doesn't get many minutes. Argentina's squad isn't good enough at all.
Your list, corrected. And I'd add Higuain and Di Maria in there aswell
Bustos and Tagliafico are proven to be good enough to be starters, they were not the problem. The problem was the midfield.
Sorry but Bustos was horrid, Tagliafico was good.
Why Di María?
This is exactly my point.
We are a more robust and competitive team albeit lacking the X-factor that Messi brings to the table.
You just need to look at the qualifiers to see what that means: we did much better yet when facing them we caved into "stop Messi mode" and didn't manage to score a single goal against them.
it´s a friendly. we lose those on purpose.
Bustos is damn good, he's 20 and this one was his 2nd game. He's great offensively and for the tough matches you can have Mercado who's better at defense.
They just aren't good enough. I'm sure the team that playedplay a weakened one, but despite the names people trot out repeatedly as being available for Argentina, it's a team sport and this 'team' is poor. They largely rely on individual quality and grit rather than quality of the whole.
No doubt they will do that. Messi gives them the chance to have a minimal option to reach far, that is how good he is. But Argentina, without Messi, simply have not the level of the first 16 best teams in the world
I was going to put some money on Argentina winning the world cup but i guess i'll pass. They aren't just a very good team defensively and even Messi can't be counted on bailing them out every single time. The rest like Aguero, Di Maria and Dybala are just pussies on international level
If he were to under perform like them he'll deserve it.
Woke up to see the score. So they are carrying on their great form from the qualifiers.
Going to be a long (or short!) world cup for Messi. Seems like no manager can get the best out of this group of individually talented players.
Going to be a long (or short!) world cup for Messi. Seems like no manager can get the best out of this group of individually talented players.
Uruguay keeper is better, the defensive line is better, midfield is better, Cavani and Suarez perform better than Higuain or Aguero in the NT.
Not to mention Tabarez is there since 2006 maybe? Your group will be easier than theirs, in the last 16 you will get or us or Morocco, unless Morocco can surprise you I can't see us with our current defensive line being able to stop Uruguay, so QF is the minimum for Uruguay, let's see how far Argentina can go.
They will need Messi in God mode just to arrive alive at the quarters, let alone the rest.
told ya, embarassing stuff
Agreed. Though I think the scoreline was a bit overblown - the first half wasn't half bad from them. They just imploded during the second, and it was littered with comical defending.Woke up to see the score. So they are carrying on their great form from the qualifiers.
Going to be a long (or short!) world cup for Messi. Seems like no manager can get the best out of this group of individually talented players.
On the bolded bit, it's a tough one, actually, because are they really a talented "group" of individuals? In the sense that ALL their supposed world class/class players are just vying for 2 positions. Messi, Aguero, Icardi, Higuain and Dybala.
Then you perhaps have Otamendi and di Maria you could class in the same, or a similar category but that's about it. The rest, IMO, are either too young/inexperienced or just simply, nowhere near good enough. Even Mascherano I'd say, is past it.
Yes, but having Messi will still make you a better side for a knockout competition. Well, it should, if you can play cagey and rely on the moment of magic. Sampaoli can't do that. I don't get why they never got Simeone.
Funny thing is Tabarez built his entire approach around replicating Pekerman's management of Argentina's Youth setup, while Argentina quickly tore it apart and went for, err, Diego Maradona as manager.
Touch wood. It would likely be a France-Brazil-Germany path then. Doable
TBH, so long as we don't get Spain I'm happy. Ideally avoid Germans. Anyone else we can have a good go at it.
Let's all overreact over a friendly where they had a meltdown in the second half
Last 3 tournaments they played: runner-up, runner-up, runner-up
They'll be a different beast in Russia. Sampaoli needs to fix the team with as much fresh blood as possible though, the oldies are too traumatized yet. Dybala needs to play imho. Even if it means shifting Messi to the right wing and giving him a smaller role. Argentina doesn't win with Messi as the main man anyways, time to try something "new"(i.e. try to re-create the 2015 side and hope Di Maria doesn't get injured minutes into the final this time)
Last 3 tournaments they played: runner-up, runner-up, runner-up
They'll be a different beast in Russia. Sampaoli needs to fix the team with as much fresh blood as possible though, the oldies are too traumatized yet. Dybala needs to play imho. Even if it means shifting Messi to the right wing and giving him a smaller role. Argentina doesn't win with Messi as the main man anyways, time to try something "new"(i.e. try to re-create the 2015 side and hope Di Maria doesn't get injured minutes into the final this time)
For sure we will be another thing in Russia.
I'm confident about that. And I think it's good to be the underdogs among the big ones.
I'm confident about that. And I think it's good to be the underdogs among the big ones.
Unless they win in Russia, this is their legacy (x2!!!):
Red: countries that lost a final to Chile
Romero
Mercado Fazio Otamendi Tagliafico
Banega Biglia Paredes
Messi Higuain DiMaria
Mercado Fazio Otamendi Tagliafico
Banega Biglia Paredes
Messi Higuain DiMaria
That's not an overreaction. The best version of Argentina of recent years was the 2015 copa america. The one with Pastore-Messi-Di Maria playing together, the one that didn't ask Messi to be a one-man attack. Messi could stick mostly to the right side of the pitch, in a diminished role(compared to his usual "you're the attack" role), Argentina was better for it
Dybala is the second best argentine player in the world right now. He should play
Since Gago's demise the Argie midfield has failed to find balance nor gel. Which makes no sense...
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