I'm not, want him, his squad number and his wages off the club. Waste of time.
feck it, it's so on.
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feck it, it's so on.
Please tell me you are trolling or perhaps I missed white text somewhere.
There's more chance of Lou Macari resurrecting his career than that useless cnut.
Lots of white text posts going at the mo, not a day for trolling
agree just before this announcement, there were strong rumours of a fee being agreed, (see our last few transfers), after that it usually goes all quiet till just before the medical, Juve probably asked for sometime to let Alegri settle and then play it from there, i trust Mitten and the guy who broke RVP. Conte going all of a sudden soon after the deal agreed rumours, sounds too fishy.
Guys what thread do we go to now? Have we got a backup? 
I think you have bought good players, but it will be interesting to test the strengthened view.
So Cech Vs Courtious (Is that really stronger. Both very good goal keepers and I know Cech maybe aging, but he would walk into most PL teams)
Ivanovic Vs Luis (I actually thought Ivanovic played RB, but hey what do I know. Again, interesting to see the real difference)
Ramires Vs Fabregas (Don't think there will be much debate on a player level, but is the combination with Matic any stronger, different types of players)
Costa Vs Eto (Both have excellent overseas scoring records, I will wait to see on this).
Maybe I really am blinkered, I see good players replaced by good players, I don't see weak areas being strengthened, except for maybe upfront. On paper Torres, BA, Eto was quite a front line, just didn't work at Chelsea. Will Costa?
Definitely good players replaced by better players (or a much better player in fabregas' case).
I don't think anything that's been said in the 24 hours really changes things. If it does, it'll only be to slow down the transfer, so the Juve fans don't riot as a result of too much bad news in a short space of time.
Nothing has been said that we haven't seen said in other transfers. The Shaw or Kroos transfers for example, both clubs said they didn't want to sell. Those quotes from Juve sound like they are just setting it up to blame the transfer on Vidal for wanting away. Then they don't get such a hard time from the Juve fans for selling their prized asset.
As far as I'm concerned the quotes from Vidal are far more revealing. He could have said he loved the club he's at and didn't want to move, but he didn't. He complemented both clubs to cover his options.
Nothing has been said that we haven't seen said in other transfers. The Shaw or Kroos transfers for example, both clubs said they didn't want to sell. Those quotes from Juve sound like they are just setting it up to blame the transfer on Vidal for wanting away. Then they don't get such a hard time from the Juve fans for selling their prized asset.
As far as I'm concerned the quotes from Vidal are far more revealing. He could have said he loved the club he's at and didn't want to move, but he didn't. He complemented both clubs to cover his options.
It's all about money. Vidal wants to join us but Juve want more. They're playing the usual game through the papers to get the deal that suits them.
I think Utd will stump up the cash.
I think Utd will stump up the cash.
Hey, guys, look on the bright side... now Vidal at least has an excuse to switch from "calm" to "actually things have changed, I'd like to go to United, cheers." /blindoptimism
/blindoptimismHas anyone actually heard these Robbo comments?
De JongGuys what thread do we go to now? Have we got a backup?
We had this conversation on here many years ago.
Lou's son committed suicide in '99 - maybe thats got something to do with the way he goes on. He seems to be a roller-coaster of optimism & pessimism in a split second..
I literally just read that about 5 minutes ago, as people on twitter were having the same conversation. Feel a bit bad now.
William Carvalho?Guys what thread do we go to now? Have we got a backup?
To me, due to the great form he was in, he was as Macari suggested one of the best right wingers around.
I would love to have Vidal here but don't we think a top centre half should be a top priority anyway?. It's not ideal in midfield as things stand, but it's not the worst either. Let's not forget the entire squad will improve from last seasons anomaly.
What's the record per transfer annum of biggest thread for a failed target? There is always one per year.
It's true we have a weak defence however Vidal is a truly best in the world player. If he is available remotely at the sought of prices mentioned we should go for him. Not to mention our midfield would then be good enough to carry a weak defence.
I think we are capable of bringing in a top midfielder and a centre back in this window. I think both are a priority as Herrera alone doesn't fix the shoddy midfield. A winger/wide forward would be a bonus.
Then again, we spent a lot of money on Smalling and Jones. I think we either need to give them a good run of games in their natural positions, or ship them out to make way for centre backs who will be first choice. I certainly think Smalling is good enough as it stands. Jones has the potential, but he needs to reel it in a bit.
"Vidal is a Juventus player and we have never put him up for sale," Marotta told a news conference on Wednesday. "A lot of clubs have asked for him but we have never sat down to negotiate. We want to keep him.
"From experience, I know that a player is the one that decides his future. Vidal has expressed many times how happy he is to remain in Turin and if that is confirmed, we will be happy to continue together."
http://www.espnfc.com/story/1951901/juventus-say-man-utd-target-arturo-vidal-not-for-sale
That last paragraph is key for me. Basically says if Vidal says he wants to go, he can go. Which is no different the Herrera situation. By the way that extract doesn't have the "I spoke to him yesterday" stuff. Did the guy really say that?
"From experience, I know that a player is the one that decides his future. Vidal has expressed many times how happy he is to remain in Turin and if that is confirmed, we will be happy to continue together."
http://www.espnfc.com/story/1951901/juventus-say-man-utd-target-arturo-vidal-not-for-sale
That last paragraph is key for me. Basically says if Vidal says he wants to go, he can go. Which is no different the Herrera situation. By the way that extract doesn't have the "I spoke to him yesterday" stuff. Did the guy really say that?
It's boiled down to that in so many of our deals that have gone south though. If our interest is true, and Vidal really wants to come, something would have happened I feel.
We have an inexperienced defence admittedly, we just need someone around the 28/29 mark with plenty of top class experience to guide them through in difficult games. I'm just glad we've got van Gaal in charge because a lot of these "transfer targets" wouldn't even be considering United if Moyes was still around. Harsh, but true.
Without any european football do we actually need to spend big yet?
LVG has not assessed the squad either, and after last season disastrous campaign surely the goals for next season should be more realistic i.e finishing top 4.
The squad needs more freshening up to challenge for the league title but the fixture schedule will allow for a smaller squad also.
Control the inner muppet!
LVG has not assessed the squad either, and after last season disastrous campaign surely the goals for next season should be more realistic i.e finishing top 4.
The squad needs more freshening up to challenge for the league title but the fixture schedule will allow for a smaller squad also.
Control the inner muppet!
Yep that's probably fair. Although I suppose you can never truly be talking about 'on paper' because you have to evaluate players on what they've produced within their various contexts. If Moyes had never happened and we were coming off our title-winning season (but with the same additions - Fellaini, Mata, Herrera, Shaw etc), then you'd probably say that was easily a third-place side on paper.
What does this mean?
He was in top form for 3 years. What more is required to be labeled a top player (during that period)? Who is a top winger nowadays?
We do need to invest. Our first 11 isn't good enough and our squad is vastly overrated by some of our fans.
We need quality in defence and midfield quite desperately.
We seem to have decided now for some reason that Vidal is the only CM in the world we could sign who wouldn't be a disappointment. I seem to be misremembering how awesome we were in that area last year for it to be the case that only Vidal could improve it.
I really think we need to lose this mentality of 4th being good enough for next year. We are Man Utd, we need to challenge for the title every single year. I believe this mentality has cost Arsenal the league more than once.
Jones has the biggest potential out of all the defenders in my opinion, if he can learn to control his aggressive nature on the pitch. He will be a beast in the future, I hope. I think a few peoples eyebrows are going to be raised with a few members of the squad, who normally get abuse. Probably myself included.
In defense our real issue is whether Smalling, Jones and Evans can remain fit. If that was the case then someone cheap like de Vrij or even a homegrown talent like Michael Keane can act as cover.
In the DM role we've got a player with a chronic illness, a long ball merchant and Carrick who clearly showing signs of decline.
I think that United have already 3 targets in mind (Carvalho, Vidal and Strootman?) and will investigate which is the better value. Vidal is the best of the lot but he will cost 40m+, Carvalho is not as good but he's long term and he's available at 35m and Strootman is VG's man and may not be available till January. However let us not kidding ourselves. We need a DM.
Guys what thread do we go to now? Have we got a backup?
Herrera.
If you mean a quality player that can actually complement a number 8, then Strootman or
We're not a top 4 target sort of club. Also with Carrick, the long ball merchant and Fletcher in DM there's no guarantee we can achieve the top 4 role
Yep. Hope we don't drop too low, that's even if we sign another CMFairly large drops in class
Lol, Remember our representatives were in Portugal looking to make a deal for Calvalho? That died down.
Herrera.
If you mean a quality player that can actually complement a number 8, then Strootman or
Shit, son. Did those boys ever walk again?
I think injuries play a big part for every squad, so it's not something new really. Smalling is the biggest question mark for me, as he doesn't seem cultured enough to fit into what the new manager would expect. Jones and Evans can both play a bit, but like you said it's down to fitness. At least one more very good addition in that department would see us look much stronger as a squad. Has Fletch not been cured, or is it a management thing?
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