Battlefield Calais: 'the swarm'
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so you would rather set up landmines to kill refugees because they are arabs than offer shelter and help to refugees...
honestly I will never understand you - but seriously look at what you have written and think how you would react if somebody suggested blowing up Jews who were desperate for help rather than help them?
landmines...
whats wrong with you
The Muslim world does not accept the existence of Israel. Letting millions of Muslims in would be suicidal. You do not need photos and spoilers to understand that. We simply wouldn't want to commit suicide, the Zionists that we are.
Impressive march in that photo. They'd all be better off than all of us combined if one Sheik used his money for helping them instead of buying De Bruyne and Sterling.
Whilst it can't be said that we've had thousands of Syrian refugees being flown to the UK from the UN's camps in the region, it would make for a more coherent policy were we to process asylum claims closer to the source. Which isn't to suggest that we admit none of those presently on the continent of course, however i would speculate that the many of the most vulnerable are the ones left behind.
I concur with @holyland red's earlier post about safe zones, but then the reaction in both traditional and social media would be rather more lukewarm when confronted with a sustainable solution. We'd need to commit resources to the task and take the risk of our people falling into the hands of IS; put an RAF pilot in place of that poor Jordanian, could public opinion withstand such?
I concur with @holyland red's earlier post about safe zones, but then the reaction in both traditional and social media would be rather more lukewarm when confronted with a sustainable solution. We'd need to commit resources to the task and take the risk of our people falling into the hands of IS; put an RAF pilot in place of that poor Jordanian, could public opinion withstand such?
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the inaction of others is a pretty poor excuse for inaction yourself imo
as for thinking you should blow up refugees because they are muslims and therefore would repay your kindness by killing you... well I dont know where to start so I wont bother because I truly feel sorry for you if you believe that
That would've been a great alternative in Europe years back instead of creating a zionist State of Israel.
One would argue that this is exactly what Europe did with their Jews, in contributing to the recreation of the Jewish homeland.
What is it with you Arabs that whenever your tendency to kill each other gets the better of you you're quick to bring Israel into the equation? There is a thread dedicated for that habit of yours.
That's by far your best contribution to this thread
Exactly, these Zionists are so oblivious.
whilst yours is suggesting using landmines to kill rather than help people like this
I think I win...
I know. Politicians are often easy targets for criticism because of their cynicism. However, from a national interests perspective knowingly sending soldiers to their deaths is sometimes the lesser of two evils. Sounds awful? Here too, and that's why most of us would be crap at those job where these kind of decisions are made. There is something, or at least should be, in those cold-blooded politicians that allows them taking decisions that cost lives.
it was a great thread title. folks aren't discussing Calais anymore.
I'm no expert but I think given the importance of ummah in Islam, I'd say they do have more of a duty. After all it's the same sentiment of community/brotherhood, at least I'd hope, that drives their anti-Israel stance.
Yep, now we are locked in anti-Israel debate that should stick to its own thread.
Given the importance of ummah in Islam, why are loads of Arabs are killing each other?
same - it's easier to blame the west. maybe they want these refugees less in some nations in the region than others. jordan and turkey have been put under pressure.
Ultimately conditions in their native countries need to be improved, that is the only long term solution to this. But that in itself is very tricky, the most workable long term solution is to help these citizens empower themselves to put the sort f government in place that they want and which serves them.
We can't even manage that ourselves FFS.
In the meantime there is no excuse for watching, inactive as these people suffer and die. None.
I think comparison with how the Jews were treated during WWII is valid, considering history doesn't look kindly on Europes inaction at that time - when the entire content was ripping itself to shreds - I think trying to justify in action because of a 'financial crisis' is totally ridiculous.
"I know people are dying, but I won't even be able to go on a second holiday this year ffs!"
We like to think we have matured as a species, learned from history, that we wouldn't allow what happened during WWII to happen again, but the reality is, if anything we have become more self centered, myopic and desensitised to the suffering of others.
Suggesting the use of landmines to stop people fleeing has to be one of the most meanspirited, immoral things I've heard.
Next time there is a house fire, I guess we should let the occupants burn, helping them will probably only encourage people to pay less attention to fire safety, cost money, and well, I have my own house to worry about!
We can't even manage that ourselves FFS.
In the meantime there is no excuse for watching, inactive as these people suffer and die. None.
I think comparison with how the Jews were treated during WWII is valid, considering history doesn't look kindly on Europes inaction at that time - when the entire content was ripping itself to shreds - I think trying to justify in action because of a 'financial crisis' is totally ridiculous.
"I know people are dying, but I won't even be able to go on a second holiday this year ffs!"
We like to think we have matured as a species, learned from history, that we wouldn't allow what happened during WWII to happen again, but the reality is, if anything we have become more self centered, myopic and desensitised to the suffering of others.
Suggesting the use of landmines to stop people fleeing has to be one of the most meanspirited, immoral things I've heard.
Next time there is a house fire, I guess we should let the occupants burn, helping them will probably only encourage people to pay less attention to fire safety, cost money, and well, I have my own house to worry about!
I'm sure it's a question many British citizens will be asking their PM and it's up to him to justify
The ummah does not exist.
The Saudis were practically begging the Israelis to bomb Iran and did everything they could to try to derail the Iranian Nuclear talks.
I've said it like a zillion times on here - if the Ummah truly existed - the zakat every muslim is obligated to give every year would mean - there would be no poor muslims the world over. Not one. It really is as simple as that.
The saudis spend tens of billions on weapons and an army that we all know is about as capable as as tin pot army. Not to mention hundreds of millions on spreading wahhabism. Yet, they can't spend that money on building schools (not madrassas), or other necessities that are basic - but life altering.
Not really given the vast majority were EU migrants moving here legally under Schengen.
couldn't agree more - of course actually finding a workable solution is going to be a difficult task but at least if we start out with that kind of mindset we have a chance of getting there.
Breaking news for migrants...The Arab League haven't called an emergency meeting.
don't the russian have a massive naval base in syria? could they help create safe passage for these poor people? i mean freighters must be safer than the use of water craft not designed to move people.
because them doing as little to help out as Israel somehow justifies Israel's inaction as well?
I suppose petty point scoring whilst people die is a step up from calling for the border to be landmined to kill any refugees.
The Russians are pro Bashar. The majority of the refugees are anti-Gov't. I doubt they'd think so humanitarian-ly.
Im not sure if the do or dont - but if they do then yes that would be a start - Im sure there are plenty of ships from many countries that could be used for this purpose - they could also take refugees to ports in numbers where there was sufficient infrastructure to handle them rather than people washing up (literally as we have seen) on the beaches of southern europe.)
but they must offer some help if they are anti gov't wouldn't the russian want them out of the way? there is no pro or anti in this unless it's pro human race!
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it's sad to think some answers to this are further restrictions because of money. or land mines ffs! worst for resonable gov'ts no answer at all. man's inhumanity to man and you quote by Al is spot on.
it's sad to think some answers to this are further restrictions because of money. or land mines ffs! worst for resonable gov'ts no answer at all. man's inhumanity to man and you quote by Al is spot on.
I don't think I expressed myself properly.
The majority of those leaving Syria are anti Gov't. They are escaping both Bashar (the Gov't) and IS.
The Russians are supplying arms and assistance to Bashar.
So, I'm assuming this means that the Syrians leaving wouldn't be welcome or wouldn't be accepted by Russia.
And agree with you 100%, it's a humanitarian issue, and in an ideal world it wouldn't matter who they are, and you'd offer them that protection and security.
Speaking from Russia's perspective specifically, it'd seem overly hollow and duplicitous if the Russians offered aid but were perpetuating the conflict in the first place!
no worries. it's really shit to think the port unloading weapons and not doing a return trip with humans. what a f'd up world.
I am not exactly pro-Israeli. Although I do think that Israel would be the only place in the entire Middle East that wouldn't persecute a homosexual and therefore cannot be such a bad thing despite its ills. But the notion that Israel should take in Syrian Refugees is a bit rich, considering that not even all the gulf states are.
I can see the logic that Israel is despised by the Muslim world, so allowing Muslims in in numbers could bring misfortune.
I can see the logic that Israel is despised by the Muslim world, so allowing Muslims in in numbers could bring misfortune.
Breaking news for migrants part 2...The Organization of Islamic Cooperation, the second largest inter-govmental body after the UN, hasn't called an emergency meeting.
same - it's easier to blame the west. maybe they want these refugees less in some nations in the region than others. jordan and turkey have been put under pressure.
Oh wow, really fair play to the countries who are helping, I didn't realise they'd taken in nearly that many aside from Turkey. Makes it look all the more damning on Saudi Arabia, though I suppose that state hardly has the best rep in the first place
Man stabs people at gay pride march in Jerusalem for second time
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/30/up-to-six-stabbed-at-gay-pride-march-in-jerusalem
ummmmmmmmmmmmmm......
Turkey 1.8m
Iraq 250k
Jordan 133k etc...
You could just look at the graphic above. I don't think the 'Islamic Cooperation' needs to hold a meeting to decide whether to let people live or die.
Not sure what that's got to do with migrants and homophobic murders are plentiful in Muslim places.
Horrific moment ISIS kill four gay men by throwing them from a roof
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/horrific-moment-isis-kill-four-5958580
Even better...
Pakistani Christians forced to renounce Christ, convert to Islam to get flood aid
http://www.christiantoday.com/artic...t.convert.to.islam.to.get.flood.aid/63201.htm
So you're the sort that does feck all unless you see someone else do it first are you?
Yaaay, lets have a competition to find the worlds biggest wanker so we can all congratulate ourselves for not being as big a wanker as them!!!
..... or we could just try our best not to be wankers.
As far as I know the Russian naval facility is in Tartus, which is firmly under government control, as is Latakiya and probably the rest of the Syrian coast. It's very unlikely therefore that you'll find many Syrian refugees heading towards that area. I'd imagine just crossing from rebel held into government territory is fraught with danger.
Why are you wankers discussing Israel in this thread? It has bugger all to do with the topic at hand as far as I can see.