Dante is back for CB. Midfield will probably be Lahm-Kroos.
Bayern München v Manchester United
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Interesting, thank you sir! That may well give us a better chance to win than in the last match.
Very true. However, Bayern are very much like Barca in the way they only have one game plan, in my opinion, and that's to press high and attack. Arsenal the same. Because these teams pride themselves on keeping the majority of possession against their opposition, they very rarely find themselves having to dig in and defend. When they do, however, they struggle, in my opinion.
This is why I feel that if they drop and allow us to attack, which, like you said, Pep could go with that approach, I think they could struggle.
I think from our point of view, it'll be about us trying to find the right balance. If we get that first goal they'll have to try and break us down.
How good has Lahm generally been in cm? I've only seen him there a few times in the CL. A possible weakness or actually better than all our cms without even being a cm?
Agree with this team.
I also had a dream and it was so vivid. Fellaini scored a goal from a Neuer blunder just before half time, and then we ended up conceding 3 within 10 minutes in the second half
You know those dreams where you aren't quite sure if it was definitely a dream afterwards? Well this one definitely was a dream.
The general feeling from the Bayern fans is that he's better than all our CM options, bar Carrick. Their depth is seriously amazing.
Damn, was hoping he might be exposed a bit without Schweinsteiger beside him. Oh well.
It might take a year of not being in it to stop the "oh dull it's the group stages, i'll bin my tickets off" mentality affecting a lot of our fans...
De Gea
Jones Rio Vidic Evra
Fellaini
Carrick Giggs
Valencia Rooney Welbeck
Jones Rio Vidic Evra
Fellaini
Carrick Giggs
Valencia Rooney Welbeck
Same as before except for Evra. They've earned it I figure. Would be happy to see Jones in CM For Fellaini though.
Fellaini hasn't traveled with the team.
Manchester United
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David Moyes reveals Wayne Rooney is keen to play against Bayern Munich on Wednesday and is “happy to take an injection to play in the game” after a bruised toe forced him to miss Saturday’s 4-0 win at Newcastle. More from the boss: http://bit.ly/1swFtkT
IS it me or Moyes has been too obvious in his love of/bias for Rooney (our biggest and one of most important players yes, but a player cannot dictate who should start). Every player is keen to play v Bayern, but it is not an important factor to get chosen. Whoever is fit should be chosen ahead a player who's playing by an injection (which will likely aggravate the said injury!). What does everyone else think?
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David Moyes reveals Wayne Rooney is keen to play against Bayern Munich on Wednesday and is “happy to take an injection to play in the game” after a bruised toe forced him to miss Saturday’s 4-0 win at Newcastle. More from the boss: http://bit.ly/1swFtkT
IS it me or Moyes has been too obvious in his love of/bias for Rooney (our biggest and one of most important players yes, but a player cannot dictate who should start). Every player is keen to play v Bayern, but it is not an important factor to get chosen. Whoever is fit should be chosen ahead a player who's playing by an injection (which will likely aggravate the said injury!). What does everyone else think?
I imagine the midfield to be more:
Lahm
Kroos - Gotze/Muller
Pep likes his 3 in midfield.Kroos - Gotze/Muller
This piece of info made my day!!! Thanks
Cleverley it is then.
Better than all our CM's.
Our midfield should be Valencia - Carrick - Fletcher - Kagawa - Welbeck
Come on, Moyes. Look into your heart, you know it to be true.
Come on, Moyes. Look into your heart, you know it to be true.
Only Pep knows. Let's face it like this - we do not have any defensive midfielders left. Only more offensive options as the one's of last Tuesday apart from playing van Buyten in defense and with your fast players that is a NoGo. Or putting in an 18-year-old talent... The Bild even talks about a central midfield of Kroos+Müller+Götze and Lahm as a fullback. Actually that even could work if the fullbacks would not stay high up the pitch as usually and Robben and Ribery would partly drop deep to take part in the build-up work. But it is very doubtful.
So you never know with Pep.
Pep likes 3 in midfield - but lately he played the 4-2-3-1 a lot again, too. He is the nightmare for anybody that plays online managers...
How is Muller in CM? He strikes me as a player who needs space; he doesn't seem to have the control and touch that Pep would normally require of his central midfielders.
Smalling vs a world class winger will give me nightmares for years to come...
People sticking with Buttner is funny, he regularly wondered off into CM following a man that wasn't his own, his positioning is awful and he never retains the ball, simply hoofs it into the crowd while facing the wrong way under no pressure. Yes he did well, but most of his last ditch tackles were him recovering from said bad position and Bayern didn't exploit him anywhere near enough, it could have been worse. Evea should start. Is Rafael fit to play? I'd rather play him who is capable of matching a worldclass winger and bring him off if/when he gets the yellow, better than Smalling roasted for 90 mins.
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Raf----Rio----Vidic----Evra
--------Carrick--Jones
Val--------Kagawa------Welbeck
--------------Rooney
Same tactics as first leg making them go wide and cross knowing we have the defenders to challenge them in the air. As shit as Fellaini is on the ground with possession and his apparent fear of heading a ball, I wish we had him for this game purely because he gives us an outball. Time and time again this season we have failed when asked to break a team down amd been countered, Fellaini gives us that ability to be one ball away from him chesting it and playing Welbecks diagonal run through on goal. Without Fellaini, what worries me is that Bayern could be clever in dropping off and asking us to play through them, which we would struggle with and be open to their immense countering ability. The last thing we want is to be asking Vid/Rio to be moving forward and back reducing their effectiveness. Keep it deep tight and narrow and hope we can spring something worthwhile on the counter or score a set piece, don't play into their hands!
People sticking with Buttner is funny, he regularly wondered off into CM following a man that wasn't his own, his positioning is awful and he never retains the ball, simply hoofs it into the crowd while facing the wrong way under no pressure. Yes he did well, but most of his last ditch tackles were him recovering from said bad position and Bayern didn't exploit him anywhere near enough, it could have been worse. Evea should start. Is Rafael fit to play? I'd rather play him who is capable of matching a worldclass winger and bring him off if/when he gets the yellow, better than Smalling roasted for 90 mins.
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Raf----Rio----Vidic----Evra
--------Carrick--Jones
Val--------Kagawa------Welbeck
--------------Rooney
Same tactics as first leg making them go wide and cross knowing we have the defenders to challenge them in the air. As shit as Fellaini is on the ground with possession and his apparent fear of heading a ball, I wish we had him for this game purely because he gives us an outball. Time and time again this season we have failed when asked to break a team down amd been countered, Fellaini gives us that ability to be one ball away from him chesting it and playing Welbecks diagonal run through on goal. Without Fellaini, what worries me is that Bayern could be clever in dropping off and asking us to play through them, which we would struggle with and be open to their immense countering ability. The last thing we want is to be asking Vid/Rio to be moving forward and back reducing their effectiveness. Keep it deep tight and narrow and hope we can spring something worthwhile on the counter or score a set piece, don't play into their hands!
Yeah, a newbie called kolli pm'd me to say the same. Apparently Lahm's been pretty brilliant.
Edit: Here's his take on Lahm so far this season.
Hi, I'm from the newbs, as I watch every Bayern game I thought I could give you a slight impression about how Philipp Lahm works in central midfield.
Lahm is usually starting as the deep midfielder in a 4-1-4-1 formation or as one of the two midfielders in a 4-2-3-1 formation. At the beginning of the season Bayern always played the former, but in the last few months Guardiola changed a lot between these two.
In pre-season it was Thiago who played the '1' in the 1-4 midfield, but the more games Bayern played the clearer it became that Lahm is perfect for this role.
In my opinion he is part of Bayern's strongest midfield 3, completed by Kroos and Thiago. He's not only class on the ball, but as you probably know from his career as a right back he is fantastic at winning the ball, he almost never fouls, is very very good in tight spaces and sometimes even surprises you with some flashes of creativity. One of the main things Lahm brings to the team is that he often helps to overload the right wing, with one of the other 2 midfielders (as long as it's Thiago, Kroos or Schweinsteiger - Götze and Müller usually stay further up the pitch) staying deep.
I would not only say that he is better than all of United's midfielders, but he's also been better than every other Bayern midfielder, which is saying a lot when you look at the other names
Lahm is usually starting as the deep midfielder in a 4-1-4-1 formation or as one of the two midfielders in a 4-2-3-1 formation. At the beginning of the season Bayern always played the former, but in the last few months Guardiola changed a lot between these two.
In pre-season it was Thiago who played the '1' in the 1-4 midfield, but the more games Bayern played the clearer it became that Lahm is perfect for this role.
In my opinion he is part of Bayern's strongest midfield 3, completed by Kroos and Thiago. He's not only class on the ball, but as you probably know from his career as a right back he is fantastic at winning the ball, he almost never fouls, is very very good in tight spaces and sometimes even surprises you with some flashes of creativity. One of the main things Lahm brings to the team is that he often helps to overload the right wing, with one of the other 2 midfielders (as long as it's Thiago, Kroos or Schweinsteiger - Götze and Müller usually stay further up the pitch) staying deep.
I would not only say that he is better than all of United's midfielders, but he's also been better than every other Bayern midfielder, which is saying a lot when you look at the other names
Their depth is scary.
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Dont mind Cleverly as long as it is not Fellaini
I would think Jones is more likely with Smalling coming in at RB.
Dont mind Cleverly as long as it is not Fellaini
Fellaini has been better than Cleverly this season, which speaks in volumes how shit our midfield is.
Strange how Cleverley looked great in a midfield 2 with Anderson as his partner for half a dozen games before Kevin Davies massacred him.
Seems more mental with Cleverley though, also I think SAF had a lot of faith in him that went a long way.
Seems more mental with Cleverley though, also I think SAF had a lot of faith in him that went a long way.
Really? No one thinks Putting an injured player in a big game like this is placing him in danger of being re-injured.
Moyes rightly pointed out that Wayne had not been training all week and didn't conscientiously intend to play him. The only reason he is using Wayne is because Wayne wanted to play, not because he's recovered
Ah the fabled amazing 6or so game spell, where people remember the goals we scored, but forget we conceded the highest amounts of shots In the league,
Fair enough. Fingers crossed Wayne picks the right 11 tomorrow night. Moysey is such a doormat. Have a bit of self-respect, Dave.
What a ride though! And I believe we were in the top 4 with that approach.
This is all speculation. As much as we would like to be, we aren't privy to his thinking. We can't even guess the line up let alone what's really behind what he says. It's an inexact science at best.
agree
What's this nonsense from Pep saying that Man Utd had one chance with the goal and scored one and Bayern having multiple chances. Has this cnut forgotten about the Welbeck chip and the disallowed goal?
And what were Bayern's "multiple" chances? If anything, they had even fewer than we did.
Exactly, I was more than happy watching Bayern players pointlessly passing the ball between their defenders and their midfielders constantly fannying about with the ball.
Aye, they had 16 shots, 3 on target. We had 6 shots, 4 on target.
So pumped up for this, I just hope we don't cock it up early on and it then becomes all about damage control. Hopefully we give a respectable and honorable performance again. Absolutely vital that our defenders turn up again.
We should start with Jones at right back and Carrick,Fletcher and Kagawa in midfield. Moyes said we can't afford passangers in this game so if he decides to start with Cleverley it would be a massive brainfart from him. Wouldn't be the first one so you never know..
Who would you rather start, Fellaini or Cleverley? Considering Fellaini's performance in the first game I'm going with the latter.
Shots don't necessarily equate to chances though. Welbeck's was by far the best chance of the game aside from the goals.
Edit: just realised Winrar probably wasn't suggesting otherwise!
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