Rooney Saha was first choice, Tevez, was never more than a regularly needed back up.
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Rooney Saha was first choice, Tevez, was never more than a regularly needed back up.
Right, so Tevez was just a squad player?
Saha would have started the season as first choice if he had been fit. He never was.
Berbatov replaced him, he's fit and he starts in front of Tevez.
Yes, lets stop calling Tevez "an attacking." It sounds spastic anyway. Mind you, you're the only person who ever called him that.
Kuyt had a better record in europe last season than Wayne Rooney. 11 games and 5 goals to Rooney's 11 games and 4 goals.
Tevez probably isnt quite as good as Berbatov. But he seems to suit the side better and fit the side much better last season than Berbatov has this season. We also got him cheap as chips (so far) and he's significantly younger than Berbatov. He's 3 years younger. 3 years ago Berbatov was a £10 million player. So lets see how much Tevez improves because in all likelyhood he should end up better.
Yep, in that given a fully fit Saha he'd have been on the bench. Much like the Fletcher Hargreaves situation this year.
And attacking player?
Basically, both are a much of a muchness and Tevez's record isn;t as good as Berbatov's at United.
Thanks.
If you consider goals against Aalborg as important as goals against Liverpool then yes.
well, we don't know that.
We've played LFC in the CL?
And I do consider goals against Chelsea as important as goals against Liverpool.
You're not very good as this lark are you?
As I said, both aren't hits.
I'd put money on it though, give me odds and I'll start writing the letter to Ferguson.
Basically you don't know.
We've played LFC in the CL?
And who said that? Making things up to suit your argument.
Both scored against Chelsea. Surely that cancels each other out? So where are Berbatov's big important goals like Tevez' against Liverpool?
Aalborg.
And you're wrong, obviously.
And now when your argument is stretched and you cant reply to someone else's points, you insult them.
Clever dick.
Again, you've not said anything. Other than 'He was a hit! I said so!'
Tevez last season a goal every 2.52. Berbatov, this season, a goal every 2.23. Tevez was so great that Fergie shelled out on a £30m striker. A player Tevez has played second fiddle to this season.
Like yesterday, well done, Ekeke. Well done.
Would you give odds against it?
Has a lot to do with it. We may not even have signed Tevez if his final fee was requested up front and no loan deal was ever made. We chose to take him with the loan deal and we're yet to decide whether we want him on a full term.
Negative. He scored 3 important goals against top teams that led to us winning the league and the champions league. We wouldnt have done it without his goals in big games.
All against weak opposition except Chelsea who were already 2 goals down.
I think he would've gone with Rooney-Tevez given the choice.
Kuyt scored 5 goals in 11 matches in the champions league last season, Rooney scored 4 in 11 matches. Clearly Kuyt is better then
Berbatov replaced Saha.
Basically, you're moving the goalposts. He's won us points this season. Whether they were against average sides or the top four. Points are points.
As for the money, no it doesn't matter. we're comparing what they've done on the field. If anything we've lost £10m on Tevez. There's no resale for us.
As I said, both hit and miss. A goal every 2.52 = hit. . .then feck knows what a goal every 2.23 is.
Fergie tried to sign Berbatov the same summer he signed Tevez according to Jol, we were interested for ages. I reckon he was planning to phase Saha out after his run of injuries the season before. Both Berbatov and Tevez would not have played second string to Saha. His injury proneness had marked his card before the start of last season. Fergie delibarately rested Saha by using Larsson plenty and when Larsson left Saha was back injured again.
I doubt he'd have shown so much patience in keeping him, frustration at each set back or eagerness to bring in Berbatov and drop Tevez had that been the case. But yes, it's opinion just like the rest of the thread.
Kuyt scored 5 goals in 11 matches in the champions league last season, Rooney scored 4 in 11 matches. Clearly Kuyt is better then
Berbatov replaced Saha.
Better than, Ekeke, better than.
He scored 8 goals last season. Rooney scored 18. Again, well done Ekeke.
Seriously, you're awful at this.
Obviously not.
Exactly and we tried to get Berbatov & Tevez that summer but could not get Berbatov. Fergie's been after Berbatov ever since he signed for Spurs, abit like Hargreaves we chased him for ages. I reckon we would have dispensed with Saha a season earlier if Fergie could have got his man quicker. Not that Saha was not a good player, he was, but his injuries made him too much of a risk to make a focal point of the team.
By all accounts, he was after him when he was still with Leverkusen.
There's no resale for Berbatov either. We wont be selling him after 1 season and if we sell him after next, we'll get barely anything anyway.
The difference is we didnt have to put a £32 million downpayment on Tevez. He cost a lot less up to now.
At no point did I say Tevez' goals won us more points against average sides. We were battering average sides for fun last season with Tevez in the side, not winning by the odd goal, which explains why Berbatov has scored more 'important' goals against rubbish teams this season than Tevez did last season. His goals against the non-big teams werent as important. But his goals against the big teams and his goal against Lyon were extremely important to our success that season and so far all Berbatov has to offer in that same context is a goal against Chelsea when they were already 2 goals down. Very unimportant goal that.
Better than, Ekeke, better than.
Better than? That makes no sense. Better than would only be correct if something came after it. Nothing did.
Nobody said any different. But in europe he scored more than Rooney which shows that goals to games dont show absolutely everything because clearly Rooney is a better player than Kuyt.
You're blindly following your stats because they suit your fictitious argument. Its a bit sad really.
You're obtuse.
Anyway, was Forlan a hit? Scored some very important goals.
As I said, had he been 'A HIT!', he wouldn't have played seconf fiddle this season.
And I have no doubt, he'll be moving on in the summer. Not bad for 'A HIT!'.
Yes, can't disagree with any of that.
Was Forlan a hit? Yes, not for us. And he did score some important goals, over multiple seasons not just the one. Too bad they were the only goals he scored and took so long to start scoring them. Would have come good had we not signed a similar player and decided to let him go for £1 million. Turns out you can get £18 million and a player for him.
Why not move on? His time here will be done. One hit season where he had ridiculous success and another where he wasnt able to establish himself as first choice.
Hasnt everyone?
He failed at United despite his match winners against Chelsea and Liverpool. Tevez has been hit and miss despite a couple of important goals. Berbatov has been hit and miss, and I'm sure he'll move on next season(or get replaced in the first team) if he doesn't show what he can do consistently.
Fergie wants the Rooney and Berbatov partnership to succeed. (and Rooney has to be one of the first names on the team sheet.)
Match winners against Chelsea and Liverpool when they werent our biggest rivals for the title. They came 4th and 5th with even Newcastle above them.
You can`t really compare Forlan with Tevez! Tevez is hit and miss in this moment but works his ass off and makes things happen for the players around him and is as good as any player out there when it comes to link up play, a very intelligent player indeed and still one of my favourite United players and without doubt the fact that he knows in his head that he probably will have to move house, make new friends at a different club and start all over again come the summer is bound to have an effect on his confidence. Unfortunately for him the best player around in Rooney plays the same position and I think Tevez would walk into the first 11 in most top clubs in Europe.
Forlan on the other hand is a great striker with a wicked right foot on him that never ever really looked the part at United apart from a few sneaky goals in big games and with RVN in front of him then chances were few and far between. Had to move on to realise his potential.
Which mean's Tevez's winner against Liverpool is largely irrelevent seeing as he scored against the team that ended up fourth not challenging for the league.
Anyway this whole argument is stupid. Neither Tevez nor Berbatov have been sensational and the team going forward is very much reliant on Rooney and Ronaldo.
Well said. Love the logic on here.
But yeah, it's not hard to grasp. Neither have been sensational.
There is a big question mark about how we proceed from here until the end of the season. Every game is going to be critical now, so rotation should IMO be kept to a minimum wherever possible.
Personally, I don't think Berbatov has done enough to warrant a certain inclusion in the team. Its fair to say that neither has Tevez, although its also fair to say that he hasn't had things laid out on a plate as much as Berbatov has this season.
Its tricky.
I remember saying, when we signed Berbatov, something along the lines of 'the possibility of having our success or failure this season placed in his hands makes me very uncomfortable'. This might well come to fruition.
Personally, I don't think Berbatov has done enough to warrant a certain inclusion in the team. Its fair to say that neither has Tevez, although its also fair to say that he hasn't had things laid out on a plate as much as Berbatov has this season.
Its tricky.
I remember saying, when we signed Berbatov, something along the lines of 'the possibility of having our success or failure this season placed in his hands makes me very uncomfortable'. This might well come to fruition.
Did you ever watch Berbatov live at WHL? I saw him on three occasions and he was a joy to watch. I haven't seen him at OT this year as I've been out of the country, but watching from the telly I don't think I'm missing much this season.
Yes, I do only post about Berby because the rest of the lads gave us a fantastic season last year. Berbatov hasn't done nowt in a United shirt and till he does, I'll be a constant in his threads. So all you losers who attack the poster/poster's name instead what the poster is saying, don't stop. Getting personal is a sign that someone is losing an argument.
Berbatov has been wank, a write off season for him, one in which he failed to register any impact whatsoever. We really wouldn't be better or worse without him. We scored more last year without a recognized striker! Adding a 30m player and having a worse +\- tells you something is wrong. Especially considering how great our defense has been.
So all you losers who attack the poster/poster's name instead what the poster is saying, don't stop. Getting personal is a sign that someone is losing an argument.
You see the irony there, don't you?