I think as Hernandez learns more while he's here and as he tries to integrate other parts of the game into his play, there will be bouts of inconsistency from him. I found it strange as well but he's still young and learning and the great thing is that he's only going to get better.
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I think as Hernandez learns more while he's here and as he tries to integrate other parts of the game into his play, there will be bouts of inconsistency from him. I found it strange as well but he's still young and learning and the great thing is that he's only going to get better.
It's great to see Berbatov back in the first team setup. I don't expect him to start week in week out, however I don't think he deserved to be isolated for as long as he was. Hopefully, he can remain in contention.
Nearly 31, 6 months left on his contract, half decent bid in Jan and he'll be off
I'd rather he go on a free in the summer if he is going to leave. He can still have an impact on our title challenge so would be foolish to let him go in January without replacing him and any replacement would have a job on their hands to do what he can straight away.
How much is that Berba in the window!
It's 18 months if we choose to make it so.
Don't think Hernandez has looked at his best for a while and Berbatov's been slowly picking up a bit of form so I'd have him as second choice for the time being, Welbeck's done absolutely nothing wrong recently.
Liverpool ?
Wouldn't say they're a top side 
I see no reason to let him go. Just let him play a bit more matches than hes been getting so far this season and he should be content to stay as well at this stage of his career. Hes easily good enough to get 20-25 matches a season for us permitting injuries.
It would be a big mistake to sell him unless someone like PSG puts in a ridiculous bid that we cant turn down.
It would be a big mistake to sell him unless someone like PSG puts in a ridiculous bid that we cant turn down.
Wouldn't say they're a top side
They were a threat when we played them that day as it was still early days; and showed later in the season doesn't matter what their form is in the league, they will always be a very tough opponent.
His first goal showed great strength, his second great skill, I've never been a fan but I can't really see the point in selling him unless we get a really good offer, as he's a good flat track bully that allows us to rest our main strikers for bigger games as the wear and tear of the season sets in.
Why should we let him go. I can't see use getting a better 3rd/4th choice forward elsewhere.
Hernandez and Welbeck are the future of our strike lineup with Rooney. When Hernandez finds form, Berbatov is back to fourth choice. Why pay a player 100k a week to sit on the bench for 75% of the season?
Putting it nicely, United must be extremely happy with him over the last two games. He's selling himself nicely and finding form.
Because we're fighting for a EPL championship against an impressive team.
We need a lot of depth and Berbatov is a great 4th option.
Why do you always bring up his salary like its coming out of your pocket?
Why resort to ridiculous hyperbole?
Fine, but i just don't fall for this 3rd-4th choice thing.
We have 4 strikers. each offers something different. It's like saying Giggs is a 4 th choice midfielder.
Gaffer will use them when most needed and experience is priceless. Right now, Welbeck needs time to mature and the beginning of the season is the time to do so, also while most senior players are fit. Hernandez and berba complete each other, Rooney starts whenever fit
Yes, someone had wrote it before you did.
Should have been more of them in 3,5 years...
rooney, hernandez, welbeck, berbatov
i hope we will still have this same quartet in 12 months time.
i hope we will still have this same quartet in 12 months time.
rooney, hernandez, welbeck, berbatov
i hope we will still have this same quartet in 12 months time.
Exactly this.
Sharky, you seem to have turned into a menopausal fishwife - as someone very kindly pointed out, I wasn't basing my comments on you specifically, I was just saying it would be nice if we could just praise a striker on a hat trick, a striker who hasn't played in months and who has shown just about the best attitude I've seen, as I'm sure he must hate his role at the club.
And for the millionth time, can we stop referring to his wages and fee? Neither were set by him, so if you really must gripe then gripe about Fergie for signing him.
At the risk of mentioning the T word - is this hatred for Berba still continuing because the little troll fanboys think he was sacrificed for the Languid One? Because if it is, don't you think it's bit displaced in view of the goblin' s recent histrionics ?
Too much sense.
Have a look at what you wrote in bold, and then read your last paragraph.
I really can't believe you still bring Tevez into these discussions.
No his wages are not set by him... It's not like he has a football agent that negotiates deals with club representatives for his salary or anything.....
People don't like Berbatov, because he's either sat on the bench or rubbish 75% of the time because he doesn't get enough games due to the fact his style of play doesn't suite United. Berbatov and Veron are one in the same, but it seems this time Fergies been too determined for him not to be considered a partial failure.
Unless someone with big money - not many of those around - is desperate, we won't get anything significant for Berbatov in January. I Wouldn't sell him at all.
Having said that, while I could be proven wrong, I'm not buying the whole 'yeah, we've got a clause to extend by a year and we'll use it'. Sounds a little like the Tevez episode. We may have a clause, but I don't think we'll use it. We'll let him go at the end of the season and use the cash freed from his wages for a significant player.
The club decide what he is worth. The club decide what they are willing to pay him. So, no, his wages are not set by him, or his agent.
Utter, utter nonsense.
Agents don't set wages, they negotiate a deal but the wage is set by the club.... agents don't walk into the board room and say right, Berbatov is going to be on X a week, sign here please.
The second part, the time he spends on the bench isn't his fault, and he's hardly rubbish 75% of the time. He offers a different style of play that's all but to say it doesn't suit us is harsh at best. Like was mentioned yesterday for example Suarez has scored 1 more league goal than Berbatov in 2010/2011 and he's played over 5x the minutes, something like 1,300 to Berbatovs 250. As Erica says his attitude is fantastic for someone who has been shunted to the bench.
The only thing I get annoyed about is the amount of arm flailing he does and how sulky I've seen him recently if he doesn't get the pass he wants from one of the younger players, this I've put down to being frustrated at not being to capitalise on the few chances he gets to impress, that could be completely wrong but just how I interpret it, which if true is understandable. Though how anyone can dislike someone who hardly gets to play who used to be straight on the team sheet coming on from warming the bench and bagging goals for us and not moaning about his current situation or going to the papers like PIG 'I need games or I need to leave' etc is beyond me.
Great performance.A hat trick is always good no matter who the opponent is.
Nothing ridiculous about it, there's no need for certain posters to constantly bring up Berba's wages.
So why not pay him peanuts?
His agent negotiates that fee on the behalf of his client in the pursuit of reaching the maximum amount agreed to by the club. So yes his wages are partially set by him. There is absolutely nothing stopping him from turning down the offer. His performances also set the bar for his wage. Probably the reason it seems, his contract negotiations fell through. Neither party could agree to a deal.
People degrade Wayne Bridge for doing exactly what Berbatov is doing. Sitting on the bench collecting a large pay check with an occasional game, even though he has a very slim chance of being first choice. Berbatov, like Bridge 'although to better clubs' has the ability to be first choice. Why is he still here battling for 4th?. To be fair though, unlike Bridge I think Berbatov does it for the prestige of being a United player, not because he couldn't give two fecks and is happy just training.
Oh and how is Berbatov not as much of a failure as Veron? Both were signed to strengthen the first team and neither did. Berbatov has had one and a half more years than Seba, but given the same amount of time, I'd say Veron would have been just as effective 'or ineffective'. Berba's purple patch last season papered over what has been a highly inconsistent time at United. Like Veron, good one minute but far to inconsistent to stamp their mark on the first team.
That's nonsense. Very creative, but still very much nonsense.
You've chosen a poor comparison with Bridge. Berbatov could likely get the same wage elsewhere. Bridge couldn't therefore we can rule out the possibility he's doing it for money.
That's even more creative, but unfortunately contains even more nonsense. Well, nearly all of that is just speculation.
Rumours all over German media tha Leverkusen are trying to sign Berbatov during the January transfer window!
Doubt it.
Thats why I added the prestige part. For Berbatov it's not just about the money, but in relation to his contribution, he's being massively overpaid.
Because they live in the real world.
No, they aren't. The club pay him what they feel he is worth. Otherwise, they tell him to piss off. This is not complicated. Nor does it detract from the issue at hand, which is you constantly using his wages as a stick to beat him with.
What are you talking about? There have been no negotiations, as far as I know. And why would there be, the club can exercise the clause to extend his contract by a year when they so choose.
Again, utter, utter nonsense. Bridge has been informed he has no future at the club. Yet has no intention of leaving. Terrible comparison.
Bridge is no choice. He doesn't even make the squad. United regularly rotate our 4 strikers.
Bridge doesn't even train with the first team.
Veron wasn't given the same amount of time for a reason. Why do you think that is? Because if a player doesn't fit, Fergie gets rid.
Top scorer in the league last year. I believe you will also find that his goal scoring record with United is similar, or better than his time with Spuds. Did you think we were signing Alan Shearer?
Away from RedCafe, my mates, people I sit next to at the game etc all think Welbeck is better. I don't think the better striker would really be 4th choice right now. Being the better footballer doesn't just mean who's got the best touch and that, it's about what they do on a regular basis on the pitch. People move the goalposts a bit for Berbatov to try and make him out to be something he is not.
They are awful comparisons in fairness, you've said he is the same as Bridge and Veron, despite, not being like either of them. Honestly Marchi these are awful points, half of it isn't just misinformed speculation, its just wrong.
Agents set wages marchi??????
Some terrible points there about Berbatov. For how many minutes he's actually played this season his goals to game ratio must be pretty good. How is he fighting for the 4th attacking spot? I dont get that one, unless Diouf and Macheda have a chance of getting ahead of him I've been harsh on Berba before but some comments on here are so wide off the mark. He comes into the team and plays well but that's not enough for some people.
I've been harsh on Berba before but some comments on here are so wide off the mark. He comes into the team and plays well but that's not enough for some people.