Berbatov | Fulham player

Tevez tried to turn the fans on Ferguson while at the club. Berbatov as said he was disappointed at the way he was treated after leaving the club, as was I.

It was completely baffling the way he was frozen out at times last season. I can feel why he might be a bit bitter about it now.
 
Hectic said:
If what he says is true and he asked the club around 15 times if he was needed anymore, to be told he's important and needed, but then not played at all - I can understand the frustration.
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He has been great for not kicking a fuss and coming with this during his time with us.

It would take an immaculate person not to say something about it after he's joined another club. None of the people on redcafe, who struggle to not blow a fuse when someone disagrees with them on the internet, fall in that category.
 
VeevaVee said:
I understand why Fergie wanted to keep him and I get why Berbatov was upset too.
This is a cut throat business though and there was obviously reasons for what Fergie did.
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Absolutely. To that point I would say c'est la vie, this is football, no room for sentimentality etc etc. Fair enough for SAF to cover his back in case things didnt work out with Welbeck / Chicharito, even to the point where it is arguably justified to outright lie about your intentions. Comes with the territory and Berbs was well remunerated, also winning titles, which must be some consolation.

I am not interested in the question of the morality of what SAF did or said. His job is to do the best thing by United, and lucky for us he is so good at it. If Berbs is collateral damage in that then that is unfortunate and I sympathise but I wouldnt change it if it meant there was a risk we would be short up front.

My only grip with this whole thing is what Sam put very well above:

sammsky1 said:
SAF knew exactly the type of player Berbatov was. As Berbatov says in the interview, he has played a particular way and been very successful in that style his entire career before United.

So given SAF knew what type of player he was, why did he make Berbatov the clubs record signing when Berbatov clearly did not fit his desired strategy and way of playing
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That is the feck up here for me. You pursue someone for years. You then get them. And then it turns out you have a round peg for a square hole. So that is £30m odd and countless man hours down the drain, plus the lost opportunity cost in the fact the money could have been spent on someone who fit the profile - someone faster, basically - a less injury prone Saha, or whatever.

So in all, a gigantic SNAFU, but never mind, we move on.
 
I've actually forgot how the whole Tevez thing panned out.

But looking at Berbatov's comments, if he is right about what he's saying, it has to be incredibly frustrating for a player to be told one thing and see another happening. I also understand it from Fergie's side because he has to keep everyone motivated and charged towards the final goal. But it must be pretty shitty as a player, and one has good as Berbatov, to be sidelined like that.

Also, it has to be a bit annoying to be around 30 and your manager changes the team's style to one which doesn't suit you one bit. You basically end up being a quality player who isn't as relevant through little fault of your own.
 
Simon Adebesi said:
Absolutely. To that point I would say c'est la vie, this is football, no room for sentimentality etc etc. Fair enough for SAF to cover his back in case things didnt work out with Welbeck / Chicharito, even to the point where it is arguably justified to outright lie about your intentions. Comes with the territory and Berbs was well remunerated, also winning titles, which must be some consolation.

I am not interested in the question of the morality of what SAF did or said. His job is to do the best thing by United, and lucky for us he is so good at it. If Berbs is collateral damage in that then that is unfortunate and I sympathise but I wouldnt change it if it meant there was a risk we would be short up front.

My only grip with this whole thing is what Sam put very well above:



That is the feck up here for me. You pursue someone for years. You then get them. And then it turns out you have a round peg for a square hole. So that is £30m odd and countless man hours down the drain, plus the lost opportunity cost in the fact the money could have been spent on someone who fit the profile - someone faster, basically - a less injury prone Saha, or whatever.

So in all, a gigantic SNAFU, but never mind, we move on.
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Yep, SAF tossed Berbatov away like a used condom...
 
Simon Adebesi said:
My only grip with this whole thing is what Sam put very well above:



That is the feck up here for me. You pursue someone for years. You then get them. And then it turns out you have a round peg for a square hole. So that is £30m odd and countless man hours down the drain, plus the lost opportunity cost in the fact the money could have been spent on someone who fit the profile - someone faster, basically - a less injury prone Saha, or whatever.

So in all, a gigantic SNAFU, but never mind, we move on.
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what does that mean?!
 
kouroux said:
Comparing Berbatov's situation and Tevez's just proves how clueless some posters can be.
Two very different situations, I understand the angry comments from both of them when they left btw but Berbatov handled things when he was at United a lot better than Tevez
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Very different. Tevez was also a loan player. We didn't own him. We didn't sell him or let him go. He finished his loan contract here and signed somewhere else because he got more money there and he burned the bridges on his way.

Some headlines are of course making up headlines. He didn't say he lost all respect for SAF. He said he lost, to some extent, respect for him. Understandable when you're being lied to. Just like Rooney lost, to some extent, respect from many of us when he kicked up a fuzz. You don't say one moment that you love the club and you'll always be here and then demand to leave because of money.

Like Hectic said, doesn't change my opinion of SAF. He didn't treat Berbatov well last season, that much we all knew. We also all knew why he did it.

He just should have sold him before last season and all had been well but he didn't so let just move on. Berbatov is still classy, our manager is still great and is able to make mistakes.
 
I'm not THAT mad at SAF because in this ruthless pro football business, not everyone is gonna be happy.You cannot be among the best ever like SAF while not making some people unhappy in the same process.It must have felt like shit for Berbatov (yes despite all the money he was earning) to be frozen out like that
 
I think the turning point for Berbatov was that FA cup match against City when Rooney was banned. Berba was given the resposibility to win that game for us and replace Rooney but he missed two sitters if I remember. Harsh but Ferguson doesn't take that sort of thing.
 
Kevin said:
Yep, SAF tossed Berbatov away like a used condom...
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More like SAF took out a condom and then realised that, having made the long, late night trip to the all night pharmacy, a 2 hour round trip, and come back to his room, eager to find some young strumpet spread out on the bed, legs akimbo, waiting for him to thrust his throbbing member into her quivering, soaking-wet fanny, he found to his astonishment that what was there was not a randy female at all, but a bowl of cake mix, and he had not left the house to buy a condom at all, but a whisk.
 
Snow said:
Very different. Tevez was also a loan player. We didn't own him. We didn't sell him or let him go. He finished his loan contract here and signed somewhere else because he got more money there and he burned the bridges on his way.

Some headlines are of course making up headlines. He didn't say he lost all respect for SAF. He said he lost, to some extent, respect for him. Understandable when you're being lied to. Just like Rooney lost, to some extent, respect from many of us when he kicked up a fuzz. You don't say one moment that you love the club and you'll always be here and then demand to leave because of money.

Like Hectic said, doesn't change my opinion of SAF. He didn't treat Berbatov well last season, that much we all knew. We also all knew why he did it.

He just should have sold him before last season and all had been well but he didn't so let just move on. Berbatov is still classy, our manager is still great and is able to make mistakes.
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I know all of that but it didn't stop Tevez (and Kia)from moaning like a bitch when he was proposed a contract to sign for United.
The two situations are different alright but even if one was on loan, just notice the complete opposite direction in terms of behavior from both players.
Both had their right to moan but both behaved differently, one with a little class and the other ...
 
Hectic said:
It's nothing like that, whatsoever. Can you really blame Berbatov for his comments? He was a model professional at the club, and throughout his time here there were no complaints from him when he was benched game after game. If what he says is true and he asked the club around 15 times if he was needed anymore, to be told he's important and needed, but then not played at all - I can understand the frustration. Would I prefer him to keep shut about it, obviously, does it affect my opinion of SAF, not at all, but I can certainly understand his upset.
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Tevez said the same, that he many times talked to SAF and asked him why he is not playing and where are they're going and every time SAF said that everything is going to be all right. The only difference was that Tevez started whining before he left us, in fact he wasn't disrespectful at all, he only said that he will not be a United player next season. After he moved to the City (and he is not the first one to do it, see Denis Law), after being booed in OT and especially after being criticized by Fergie he transformed from a whining bitch to a complete cnut.

Berba was class when he was here. I even posted some quotes of him some days ago. But going in a debate with SAF is not a god thing and he won't achieve anything about it. In fact, it was a miracle why Fergie trusted him and kept him at the club after his first two seasons and by extension he won another Premier League medal. Also, it is the same Fergie who signed him and made possible for him to take two medals. It wasn't exactly like Madrid, Barca and half of the world being interested for him. As much as we are mentioning that he choose us before City, it wasn't that much a contest in that time when City were still a mid table club.

I never backed Berba's transfer at United and still think that it was a mistake. I think that it was totally right from SAF that he trusted Chicha/Welbeck more than Berbatov. On the other side I think that Berba's behavior to us was top class, so I hope that he won't destroy the only thing I value at him.
 
kouroux said:
I know all of that but it didn't stop Tevez (and Kia)from moaning like a bitch when he was proposed a contract to sign for United.
The two situations are different alright but even if one was on loan, just notice the complete opposite direction in terms of behavior from both players.
Both had their right to moan but both behaved differently, one with a little class and the other ...
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I was reiterating your point. I agreed with you.
 
Simon Adebesi said:
My only grip with this whole thing is what Sam put very well above:

That is the feck up here for me. You pursue someone for years. You then get them. And then it turns out you have a round peg for a square hole.

So that is £30m odd and countless man hours down the drain, plus the lost opportunity cost in the fact the money could have been spent on someone who fit the profile - someone faster, basically - a less injury prone Saha, or whatever.

So in all, a gigantic SNAFU, but never mind, we move on.
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Hmm.

I think E'to was available that summer and fitted the description you outlined above. And in hindsight, Rooney/E'to would have been breathtaking.
 
I don't blame him. He was the league top scorer until February/March 2011, and then suddenly got dropped from the team (despite playing well), which culminated in him being left out of the CL final in favour of Michael fecking Owen. The following season he barely played at all (despite usually doing well when he got the chance, and Welbeck/Hernandez didn't exactly set the place on fire either), and so if it's true that SAF told him to stay that means he basically threw away one of his prime years for nothing.

I understand SAF too, but Berbs has every right to be upset nonetheless. And the comparisons to Tevez are just ridiculous.

I hope he puts this to rest now though.
 
Cold_Boy said:
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Exactly.

He is not class afterall.

feck Berbatov!

Whatever Fergie did, I will still support his reasoning over Berbatov's.
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You sound like a religious fanatic. "Whatever is actually true, I will still believe Jesus Christ was the son of God".
 
Saliph said:
You sound like a football fanatic. "Whatever is actually true, I will still believe Alex Ferguson".
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Corrected.

In fairness, boths ides of the argument have their viewpoint. Berbatov should have left in 2011. But because Welbeck was so unproven, you can see why Fergie stuck with him.
 
Saliph said:
I don't blame him. He was the league top scorer until February/March 2011, and then suddenly got dropped from the team (despite playing well), which culminated in him being left out of the CL final in favour of Michael fecking Owen. The following season he barely played at all (despite usually doing well when he got the chance, and Welbeck/Hernandez didn't exactly set the place on fire either), and so if it's true that SAF told him to stay that means he basically threw away one of his prime years for nothing.

I understand SAF too, but Berbs has every right to be upset nonetheless. And the comparisons to Tevez are just ridiculous.

I hope he puts this to rest now though.
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That's really debatable. He was inconsistent as feck and in that season which was his best ever he had a lower average goal per minutes than an unproven young unknown Mexican who had his debut season in Europe.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Or look at it objectively, possibly.
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First of football is a team sport.

Berbatov didn't suit our style so he didn't play. And even when he came on as a sub he was not effective.(last season)

I can understand Berbatov to be unhappy about not playing. But Fergie was right too. What I don't like is him saying, that he has lost all respect and such shit.

He could just say he was unhappy that he didn't play.

And another reason I support SAF's reasoning because it was for the team. I certainly would prefer the team's cause rather than Berbatov's.
 
I don't see what the fuss is about. SAF clearly told him that he didn't fit into his team and wasn't going to play him. No one forced Berbatov to stay for another whole season despite SAF basically telling him "you're not going to play". It would have been another matter if SAF made false promises, but he was very honest and straightforward with him. He left a season too late really.
 
You'd lose respect to someone who told you he'd play you, he sees you as an important player and then only keep you on the bench as much as possible.
 
Cold_Boy said:
First of football is a team sport.

Berbatov didn't suit our style so he didn't play. And even when he came on as a sub he was not effective.

I can understand Berbatov to be unhappy about not playing. But Fergie was right too. What I don't like is him saying, he has lost all respect and such shit.

He could just say he was unhappy that he didn't play.
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If you can understand both of their point of views why should any of them get your abuse? And why should he say what you want him to? He feels hard done by and AFTER leaving the club is expressing how he feels. He obviously has lost some respect for Fergie for reasons he believes to be legitimate. But the important thing is that he kept pretty much mum about it until he left.
 
I wonder if Rooney's loss if pace contributed to Berbatov's demise at Utd. It was clear that it would be difficult to play two forwards who did not not have the ability to run behind defences. For a period whenever we played Berbatov and Rooney together opposition would play a higher line thus taking away the space.

All that said SAF treated him like a cnut because he's only interested in Utd. If he wasn't like that we'd all be complaining.
 
::sonny:: said:
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Berbatov: Ferguson has lost my respect
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Dimitar Berbatov said on Monday he had lost respect for Sir Alex Ferguson over the way his Manchester United career came to an end.

The Bulgarian striker, who moved to Fulham on transfer deadline day on Friday, said he was unhappy with the way the United manager had treated him in the final months of his four-year stay at Old Trafford.

"I don't think I deserved such treatment at United - not playing [regularly] in the last year," Berbatov told a news conference at Bulgaria's Vasil Levski national stadium in Sofia.

"I went more than 10, probably 15, times to ask the coach if they need me. And every time I was told that I'm an important player and should not leave, but then again I was not in the team.

"Maybe I should've gone when he [Ferguson] left me out of the squad for the Champions League final [in 2011]. I know he's the boss, but he has lost, to some extent, my respect because of the way he treated me."

Berbatov became United's most expensive player when he joined from Tottenham Hotspur in 2008 for 30.75 million pounds, and was the Premier League's joint top-scorer in the 2010/11 season with 20 goals.

The player's agent, Emil Danchev, said on Monday that Berbatov had received a late offer from Spurs at the end of the transfer window. "We were in touch with Tottenham at the last moment," Danchev said, adding that 12 clubs wanted to sign the striker.

Berbatov, who on Monday confounded expectations in Bulgaria that he would come out of international retirement, said he fell victim to a change in United's style of play.

"He [Ferguson] tried to explain to me that the team will be using a more direct style, with more speed," he said. "But I've never been among the fastest players, I like to hold the ball, this is my style.

SAID GOODBYE

"I found it hard to accept his decision [not to play him] - I still have my dignity. I scored many goals, I won the league two times, and I was the league top scorer, so it's not bad.

"I'll have no problems playing against United as this already happened in my career. But there's no point to look back again. I said goodbye to the people, who deserve it. I couldn't say goodbye to Ferguson."

Berbatov's transfer to Fulham proved controversial in Italy, as he twice turned down offers from Serie A clubs at the last minute to stay in the Premier League.

Berbatov denied he had acted inappropriately in his dealings with Fiorentina and Juventus.

"I've never personally told them, 'Yes, I'll play for you'," he said. "It's not my problem that someone is disappointed. After all, I choose where to play and be happy."

The 31-year-old angered Fiorentina when he turned his back on them last Thursday, one day before the end of the transfer window. The player then rejected the chance to move to Italian champions Juve.

"He did not deserve our city and our shirt and the values it represents," Fiorentina said in a statement.

Berbatov said: "It's stressful. One club called, then another, and a third, and then another. A man can go crazy at one point. I'm a human being and it's normal for me to hesitate."

Berbatov was in Sofia ahead of Bulgaria's 2014 World Cup qualifying game against Italy on Friday. He was called up for his country's qualifiers against Italy and Armenia but insisted he would not return to the national side.

"[Coach] Luboslav Penev was the only one who made everything possible to make me feel welcome, so that I can see that he wants me back," he said.

"We met at least twice, as friends. We discussed it but at the end of the day, the choice I made in the past still stands."

Berbatov, Bulgaria's all-time leading scorer with 48 goals, quit the team in 2010 hinting that fatigue and family commitments were behind the decision.
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Wow. Pseudo "journalism" at it's best. Trying to take words out of the context to create drama. This is not the entire interview

First of all, Berba said: "There could be a bit of a disappointment, maybe..for the way I was treated last year. That's easy to understand"..... .Not, "Ferguson has lost my respect" which is the title of the article.
And he said this after he praised SAF as the best in the world. And his words were, that SAF told the truth to Jol, but not to him. To Berba SAF has said, that he'll need him and would like him to stay. And that he should fight for his place. To Jol, however, SAF had said that there's not place and time in the team to be thinking and "intelligence" on the ball. Berba immediately added- I'd like to have been told this right away. He also added: " I found a way to say this to him in a way. Is he disappointed in me for that, as a person, I don't know". I know, I'm not the fastest and my game is different

Later on the journo saved the part where Berba said, he didn't have the time to meet SAF to say good bye, because things were happening so quickly. Berba said, he could not even say good buy to most of his teammates.

From the article it looks like Berba says he only said Good bye to the people who deserve and SAF wasn't one of them. What a small person the journalist is!!!

Other things are missing from the article, as the fact that Juve have been in touch with Berba for 6 months and he's been 3rd on their list. After missing on the others, they knew they're coming for him. So they were aware of it the entire time. And that there were 12 clubs interested. 3 from Italy, 3 from Germany...etc. not really important.

Berba was class and acting no different than the way he has in his entire time at United. He even said, it's normal for me to feel a bit disappointed for not playing much for the last year. And to say the things i say. I just wished I was told all that after the CL final
 
kps88 said:
I don't see what the fuss is about. SAF clearly told him that he didn't fit into his team and wasn't going to play him. No one forced Berbatov to stay for another whole season despite SAF basically telling him "you're not going to play". It would have been another matter if SAF made false promises, but he was very honest and straightforward with him. He left a season too late really.
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When did this happen? The quotes in the article suggest the opposite.
 
Bottom line is that Berbatov has every right to feel this way, and, considering he's not our player anymore, he has every right to express his opinion. Unless he starts going all Tevezesque this is completely unproblematic really.
 
Cold_Boy said:
First of football is a team sport.

Berbatov didn't suit our style so he didn't play. And even when he came on as a sub he was not effective.(last season)

I can understand Berbatov to be unhappy about not playing. But Fergie was right too. What I don't like is him saying, that he has lost all respect and such shit.

He could just say he was unhappy that he didn't play.

And another reason I support SAF's reasoning because it was for the team. I certainly would prefer the team's cause rather than Berbatov's.
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Sorry but that style thing to me is a bit of a myth. If Fergie told him he was an important member of the squad then he uses him, it's simple. Berbatov would have left last year, he was told to stay as he is important which turned out to be bollocks. His record was more impressive than our other forwards in his 5 starts. Fergie got this one wrong.
 
CentreForward said:
Wow. Pseudo "journalism" at it's best. Trying to take words out of the context to create drama. This is not the entire interview

First of all, Berba said: "There could be a bit of a disappointment, maybe..for the way I was treated last year. That's easy to understand"..... .Not, "Ferguson has lost my respect" which is the title of the article.
And he said this after he praised SAF as the best in the world. And his words were, that SAF told the truth to Jol, but not to him. To Berba SAF has said, that he'll need him and would like him to stay. And that he should fight for his place. To Jol, however, SAF had said that there's not place and time in the team to be thinking and "intelligence" on the ball. Berba immediately added- I'd like to have been told this right away. He also added: " I found a way to say this to him in a way. Is he disappointed in me for that, as a person, I don't know". I know, I'm not the fastest and my game is different

Later on the journo saved the part where Berba said, he didn't have the time to meet SAF to say good bye, because things were happening so quickly. Berba said, he could not even say good buy to most of his teammates.

From the article it looks like Berba says he only said Good bye to the people who deserve and SAF wasn't one of them. What a small person the journalist is!!!

Other things are missing from the article, as the fact that Juve have been in touch with Berba for 6 months and he's been 3rd on their list. After missing on the others, they knew they're coming for him. So they were aware of it the entire time. And that there were 12 clubs interested. 3 from Italy, 3 from Germany...etc. not really important.

Berba was class and acting no different than the way he has in his entire time at United. He even said, it's normal for me to feel a bit disappointed for not playing much for the last year. And to say the things i say. I just wished I was told all that after the CL final
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Interesting. Where are you getting all of that from? If you're right, then it's amazing how deceptive these articles can be.
 
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