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KeyserSoze said:
Any hunches that you have the ability to fly and should jump off a tall building?

Just kidding, pal.
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Who cares what you people think. if ive lost confidence in him thats up to me.
I wouldnt swap him though as hes still young and hopefully hell come good.
Hes one of my fave players actually, he just needs improved fitness and more confidence. i dont hate him or anything.
 
charleysurf said:
You're a child. Rooney is fantastic, a better player than Aguero, and with more class than Ronaldo. If you can't see that then you better run off and find a new team to support. Wayne Rooney IS Man United.
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I know. it just frustrates me when i think he could be so much better:(
 
:lol::lol:

You should not care what people think, but im afraid when you type your views on a forum people may respond! Its kind of what its about!

As I typed in white I was just kidding anyway and dont particularly care!
 
KeyserSoze said:
:lol::lol:

You should not care what people think, but im afraid when you type your views on a forum people may respond! Its kind of what its about!

As I typed in white I was just kidding anyway and dont particularly care!
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Yeah i know only noticed that afterward. moving on, rooney and berbatov could be special.
 
MadDogg said:
---------------Berbatov----------------
--Rooney------Anderson------Ronaldo--
---------Carrick-------Hargreaves------

That team would bring pure and utter devastation to all in it's path.

Carrick pulling the strings, Hargreaves doing the dirty work and bombing down the right, Anderson linking with the forwards, and Rooney and Ronaldo buzzing here there and everywhere around Berbatov. Then on the bench we'd have Tevez, Nani, Giggs and Scholes. :drool:
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This is like playing football manager :eek:
 
fergieisold said:
But Rooney already is in that class, and people who don't see it are blind. The only way Wayne can improve is by increasing his goal tally and possibly making a few more charging runs (like Anderson did this season). Even these improvements aren't essential. Other than that he is the complete player.
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He's not in that class yet. He's in the next step down, along with the likes of Totti and Pirlo. Obviously great players, but not quite the best in the world. He can be, but he's not quite there at the moment.

fergieisold said:
And why try and stop Wayne being creative? For me he is our most important player. I'd be far more worried if we lost him than Ronaldo.:)
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I certainly don't want him to stop being creative. The problem is that over the last two seasons he seems to be focusing more and more on being a playmaker, and not enough on his individual game. And I, and many others, think he's gone a bit too far. As I said, I want him to find that right balance. And I think Berbatov might be able to bring that out in him, if Rooney lets it.
 
MadDogg said:
I certainly don't want him to stop being creative. The problem is that over the last two seasons he seems to be focusing more and more on being a playmaker, and not enough on his individual game. And I, and many others, think he's gone a bit too far. As I said, I want him to find that right balance. And I think Berbatov might be able to bring that out in him, if Rooney lets it.
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For what it's worth, as someone with no stake in Rooney's play, I agree with that 100%. If I were a Utd supporter, I'd want Rooney to shift a bit -- just a bit, mind -- towards goal scoring.

The thing I can't tell is, how good a finisher is he really? I mean, he's not up there with RVN or even (imho) Anelka. He's certainly a brilliant playmaker, and if he started to play more "selfishly", would Utd lose more than it gained?

(Obviously, it depends on who he's playing with. It does make a lot of sense to think that Berbatov would bring more goals out of Rooney, especially if Ronaldo ends up at Marketing; and given Berbatov's skill as a playmaker, Utd might not miss much if Rooney changed the way he plays.)
 
MadDogg said:
He's not in that class yet. He's in the next step down, along with the likes of Totti and Pirlo. Obviously great players, but not quite the best in the world. He can be, but he's not quite there at the moment.


I certainly don't want him to stop being creative. The problem is that over the last two seasons he seems to be focusing more and more on being a playmaker, and not enough on his individual game. And I, and many others, think he's gone a bit too far. As I said, I want him to find that right balance. And I think Berbatov might be able to bring that out in him, if Rooney lets it.
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But without his playmaking we might not be as successful? There is no problem with goals in our team despite the cries for a proper striker from some on here. It would be nice to see him do what he does on the youtube vids when he was younger, but I'm not sure it would be all that helpful to the team. I do think he could get better, but because I'm not a coach or particularly tactically experienced I can't stick my neck out and say what he needs to do to get better. All I would like to see improved is his finishing, 1 on 1s with the keeper last season were terrible, really terrible. And in addition when he has space infront of him he should start running at the defense.
 
Jens' Face said:
The thing I can't tell is, how good a finisher is he really? I mean, he's not up there with RVN or even (imho) Anelka. He's certainly a brilliant playmaker, and if he started to play more "selfishly", would Utd lose more than it gained?
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He's actually not a great finisher. He's missed a lot of easy chances over the last two years. But a lot of it seemed to be because he's thinking too much, which is the general problem with his game. If he was more natural with his game and played that little bit more selfishly, I'm fairly certain he'd score a higher percentage.

It's not just about scoring goals either. For instance, I think there is one scenario that would happen a lot if we signed Berbatov. And that would be Berbatov winning the ball upfront in the air with defenders on his back, being able to turn and play a through ball to an onrushing Rooney who then draws the last defender or two before playing the final ball across to Ronaldo or Tevez who comes in unmarked at the back post to slot in an easy goal. At the moment Rooney would normally be the one trying to win the ball (hard because of his lack of height) and trying to play the first defence splitting pass (where his 'normal' partner Tevez often wouldn't have the speed to get on the end of it ahead of the defenders). That's more what I'm talking about where he can combine his speed and impact with his creativity. Be the one making the runs into the channels more often, instead of being the one trying to put others into those positions all the time. The one making those runs, even if he doesn't score himself, is in a great position to force something to happen.
 
fergieisold said:
But without his playmaking we might not be as successful? There is no problem with goals in our team despite the cries for a proper striker from some on here. It would be nice to see him do what he does on the youtube vids when he was younger, but I'm not sure it would be all that helpful to the team. I do think he could get better, but because I'm not a coach or particularly tactically experienced I can't stick my neck out and say what he needs to do to get better. All I would like to see improved is his finishing, 1 on 1s with the keeper last season were terrible, really terrible. And in addition when he has space infront of him he should start running at the defense.
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That's one of the biggest things I'm saying. Maybe I've given the impression I want him to change his game a lot. I don't. I still want him to do a lot of playmaking. Just not quite as much as he does at the moment. Trust in his teammates to do that sometimes and try a bit harder to get into the positions to be on the recieving end. Run at the defence a little more. Nothing major, just fine-tuning.
 
BeardedGenius said:
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Some of his moves in that youtube clip remind of Bergkamp - AGAIN. For some reason I still can't believe what a player he has become in the past years. I remember his first season at Leverkusen, he was probably one of the worst finishers I've ever seen.
Sign him.
 
Berbatov is actually quite fast, but his style might seem a bit languid and might fool people. Same as with Carew. I've heard people claiming that Carew's only weaknes is his pace, but he has actually been clocked into a time that was not much weaker than for instance Henrys.

This is not an argument at all, but pace is genetic, and Berbatovs mother was actually an athlete (participated in the olympics i think) and one of the fastest women in the world. ;)
 
MadDogg said:
---------------Berbatov----------------
--Rooney------Anderson------Ronaldo--
---------Carrick-------Hargreaves------

That team would bring pure and utter devastation to all in it's path.

Carrick pulling the strings, Hargreaves doing the dirty work and bombing down the right, Anderson linking with the forwards, and Rooney and Ronaldo buzzing here there and everywhere around Berbatov. Then on the bench we'd have Tevez, Nani, Giggs and Scholes. :drool:
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Why should we play a forward on the flanks?
 
i apologise for the cnut that is tim lovejoy.

but here are 3 goals of berbatovs that he enjoys himself

 
Striker10 said:
Do you know something we don't? ;)..
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No, only what I read:

Sir Alex Ferguson cancels his Cristiano Ronaldo peace visit

Sir Alex Ferguson once famously rode pillion on a motorcycle journey across Paris to persuade Eric Cantona not to retire, but it seems that there will be no mercy dash to try to talk some sense into Cristiano Ronaldo. .... Ferguson and Ronaldo have not seen each other since a celebratory party at Old Trafford on May 22, the night after their Champions League triumph over Chelsea in Moscow, and it is understood that there has been little, if any, telephone contact between the men, with their relationship strained by the player’s repeated statement that he wishes to move to Real Madrid.

Ferguson, having initially tried to ignore the furore over Ronaldo, appeared ready to spring into action by flying to Portugal this morning to try to end the unedifying stand-off, but that trip has been cancelled ...

It is not clear whether the two had, directly or otherwise, spoken to discuss a meeting today or whether Ferguson planned simply to arrive on Ronaldo’s doorstep. Ferguson, unsurprisingly, has been incensed by Ronaldo’s behaviour in recent weeks – from the initial flirting with Real to the crass suggestion last week that he felt like a “slave” at United – while the player and his entourage have encouraged the perception, accurate or otherwise, that he has been hurt by his manager’s “rot in the stands” comment five weeks ago and by a lack of direct contact with regard to an ankle operation that could keep him out of action until early October.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/manchester_united/article4327469.ece
 
GlastonSpur said:
No, only what I read:

Sir Alex Ferguson cancels his Cristiano Ronaldo peace visit

Sir Alex Ferguson once famously rode pillion on a motorcycle journey across Paris to persuade Eric Cantona not to retire, but it seems that there will be no mercy dash to try to talk some sense into Cristiano Ronaldo. .... Ferguson and Ronaldo have not seen each other since a celebratory party at Old Trafford on May 22, the night after their Champions League triumph over Chelsea in Moscow, and it is understood that there has been little, if any, telephone contact between the men, with their relationship strained by the player’s repeated statement that he wishes to move to Real Madrid.

Ferguson, having initially tried to ignore the furore over Ronaldo, appeared ready to spring into action by flying to Portugal this morning to try to end the unedifying stand-off, but that trip has been cancelled ...

It is not clear whether the two had, directly or otherwise, spoken to discuss a meeting today or whether Ferguson planned simply to arrive on Ronaldo’s doorstep. Ferguson, unsurprisingly, has been incensed by Ronaldo’s behaviour in recent weeks – from the initial flirting with Real to the crass suggestion last week that he felt like a “slave” at United – while the player and his entourage have encouraged the perception, accurate or otherwise, that he has been hurt by his manager’s “rot in the stands” comment five weeks ago and by a lack of direct contact with regard to an ankle operation that could keep him out of action until early October.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/manchester_united/article4327469.ece
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Oh, well that stories bollocks. All fabrication
 
GlastonSpur said:
No, only what I read:

Sir Alex Ferguson cancels his Cristiano Ronaldo peace visit

Sir Alex Ferguson once famously rode pillion on a motorcycle journey across Paris to persuade Eric Cantona not to retire, but it seems that there will be no mercy dash to try to talk some sense into Cristiano Ronaldo. .... Ferguson and Ronaldo have not seen each other since a celebratory party at Old Trafford on May 22, the night after their Champions League triumph over Chelsea in Moscow, and it is understood that there has been little, if any, telephone contact between the men, with their relationship strained by the player’s repeated statement that he wishes to move to Real Madrid.

Ferguson, having initially tried to ignore the furore over Ronaldo, appeared ready to spring into action by flying to Portugal this morning to try to end the unedifying stand-off, but that trip has been cancelled ...

It is not clear whether the two had, directly or otherwise, spoken to discuss a meeting today or whether Ferguson planned simply to arrive on Ronaldo’s doorstep. Ferguson, unsurprisingly, has been incensed by Ronaldo’s behaviour in recent weeks – from the initial flirting with Real to the crass suggestion last week that he felt like a “slave” at United – while the player and his entourage have encouraged the perception, accurate or otherwise, that he has been hurt by his manager’s “rot in the stands” comment five weeks ago and by a lack of direct contact with regard to an ankle operation that could keep him out of action until early October.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/manchester_united/article4327469.ece
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And why the feck should he?

The only problem with this is that Real know we have to sell him now, he has talked his way out of the club, we won't get what we originally thought we would. That was their ploy. I worry that they actually don't have much money, but have now put us in a position where we have to sell. I think that we are talking around the £50 million pound mark, as opposed to the £70 million that was quoted. I stand to be corrected on the matter.
 
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