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After weeks of me considering what our best option is for signing a striker, it has become clear to me that berbatov is the man we should focus all our attention on and sign, the biggest factor is he is proven in the premiership for starters, something which villa, benzema, gomez, zlatlan, hunterlaar and eto arent.

I briefly had a though that we should go for villa but when i realized his age and what he offered to the team, it seems he isnt right for us. Being of a similar age to berbatov, but as a player which relies more on his pace he would have less time at his best and also he is not exaclty tall and does not posses a physical presence, which is what we need. So villa is pushed down the list.

Then there is benzema, who if wanted the move would be top priority, young, direct, explosive, powerful, quick and deadly, however, he clearly wants to stay and if he does move he seems to prefer spain over england, so i think we should move on with regard to that one.

Then there is the untested gomez, scored a lot of goals in his league but has seemed to flop at the euros, he is young, big and has potential but if we are going to spend money the player needs to do well, we should spend a bit more with less risk, he also lacks experience at the top level.

Then there is zlatlan and eto'o players of have undeniable quality but simply, i think their attitudes are wrong and we shouldn't take any chances on known temperamental characters, because we wouldn't want to disturb a close knit team spirit with a trouble maker.

Then finally there is Hunterlaar who has become my second choice, a player who clearly knows how to find the back of the net, he is big strong can hold the ball well and is fairly mobile, untested but his goal scoring prowess is undeniable and is clearly and out and out striker which is what we are looking for, i think he would be willing to go in and out of the team too, like tevez.

SO berbatov for me has to be the main target, at 27 he has his best years to come and he could give them to us and forge a great partnership with the other forwards in our team, because of his intelligence, great build up play, strength at holding the ball, amazing ability for a killer pass, and he knows where the back of the net is too... Dont forget he has been playing in a poor spurs side yet has been scoring and assisting plenty in the past seasons. He would give us experience and a cool head which would be vital for the youngsters and with giggs and scholes soon leaving could provide that calmness when the veterans leave.

There is a slight doubt about his attitude but i think its media hype and is unwarranted, he still played and contributed after being not allowed to move in january and ramos has commented many of times as to what a great player and personality he is in the dressing room, im dreaming of him in our side, i just want it to become reality.

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If Barca made an offer acceptable to Spurs, then I'm sure Berbatov would be entirely happy to go to Barca. What makes you think he wouldn't be?

this is true. esp with eto'o and ronaldinho leaving, berbatov could slot in right behind henry like bergkamp supported henry. guardiola could play them as a front two. i mean its barcelona ffs. Champions league football, 98k stadium, and not to mention weather/lifestyle that is slightly better than manchester. berbatov would be given so much time on the ball in spain he would be picking out wonder passes and flicks for fun.

then again there are rumours that barca are after aguero or even villa so who knows what's going on.

all i know is that berbatov will easily over 25 if we are the buyers. and with that price i feel that we would be getting mugged.
 
this is true. esp with eto'o and ronaldinho leaving, berbatov could slot in right behind henry like bergkamp supported henry. guardiola could play them as a front two. i mean its barcelona ffs. Champions league football, 98k stadium, and not to mention weather/lifestyle that is slightly better than manchester. berbatov would be given so much time on the ball in spain he would be picking out wonder passes and flicks for fun.

then again there are rumours that barca are after aguero or even villa so who knows what's going on.

all i know is that berbatov will easily over 25 if we are the buyers. and with that price i feel that we would be getting mugged.

Why would we be getting mugged at over 25, i think tevez will equate to about, and berbatov is probably better than tevez?
 
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If you think Wenger would sell Adebayor to Utd, then you're living in a dream world.

And what makes you think he'd have any choice in the matter?

Irrespective, if Adebayor chooses to leave then they'll sell to the club that offers the best deal. Wenger has done it time and again with supposedly untouchable players.

I think it'd be worth making a run at Adebayor. If we could persuade Arsenal to sell he'd come to United if the money was right.
 
What is it with Spurs fans and these conspiracy theories? Diarra from Arse to Spuds via Pompey, Defoe to Pompey. United stay clear of Bale, Berbs to United. And now the Dos Santos thing. This is not a dig at you, Glaston. I've a few Tottenham mates and they still can't believe we signed Nani as letting Jol sign him was part of some future Berbs deal. ITKs my ass.
 
And what makes you think he'd have any choice in the matter?

Irrespective, if Adebayor chooses to leave then they'll sell to the club that offers the best deal. Wenger has done it time and again with supposedly untouchable players.

I think it'd be worth making a run at Adebayor. If we could persuade Arsenal to sell he'd come to United if the money was right.

Why dont we see if Chelsea will sell us Drogba while we're at it? After all they did sell Gallas and Diarra to Arsenal

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What is it with Spurs fans and these conspiracy theories? Diarra from Arse to Spuds via Pompey, Defoe to Pompey. United stay clear of Bale, Berbs to United. And now the Dos Santos thing. This is not a dig at you, Glaston. I've a few Tottenham mates and they still can't believe we signed Nani as letting Jol sign him was part of some future Berbs deal. ITKs my ass.
The Diarra-Defoe thing is obviously just a bit of fun speculation given 'ol Harry's liking for wheeler-dealing - if it actually happened I'd give it more credence, but until then ....

We signed Bale last summer, a year after we signed Berbatov. If there had been any secret agreement to sell Berbs to MUFC (in return for MUFC staying clear of Bale) then that would have happened at the same time, or in January, or would have been announced already for this summer, so I dismiss that one straight off.

The dos Santos thing is the most plausible of the lot, since Barca aren't in the habit of letting go of talented youngsters and the price was a definite bargain. I'm not saying it's true, just that it's more believable than the others.
 
........ Now there are clubs where money is not an issue and where they wouldnt mind spending 30m for an old player even though they would have probably got away with it with a cheaper option. We are not that type of club. ?
As I said. It's how wisely you spend your cash that matters. Not how much you spend. You can buy some one cheap and he costs you trophies and progress and sets you back years like the Djemba Djemba signing did. Or you can spend like we did last summer and make a giant leap in progress. It's that simple. Thus spending 25 odd milion on someone who will take your side to the next leel can never ever be bad.

Zlatan is a great talent but not what we need.
Then what do we need then. And don't you dare tell me "a natural goal scorer" cause that is bollocks. For most players who hold up the ball ala Saha are not that. Which is teh type of player we are looking to bring in

First off all his attitude sucks,
So did Cantona's. Heck he used to even punch his managers. It never stopped Fergie signing him then & the rest is history.

secondly he is underrated
Since when was that a reason not to sign someone?:confused:

and thirdly he is not a national goalscorer.
I pray explain what you mean by this.

He is the kind of person who wouldn't mind shouting at the manager's face if he feels that he shouldn't be substituted. Can you imagine SAF's reaction after that?
Fergie would handle him. After all he handled an even more volatile hot head named Cantona.

Arsenal is a selling club and Wenger is a shrewd man. If he can get a better option from us then he would sell us the player. He didnt mind selling Ashley Cole to arch rivals Chelsea didnt he?
They didn't have a choice. The areshole wanted to move. Plus Chelsea offered them a deal they couldn't refuse. A top CB that they needed badly plus extra cash to spend on other targets for an ungrateful bastard. No one on Earth could have refused the deal. Especially when in the end it hurt Chelsea more than it hurt Arenal. Currently even if you came up with 5o odd million, Wenger would rather die than sell any English side an Adebayor. Cause he wouldn't benefit from it one single bit. And you said his shrewd, didn't you? He picks and chooses when selling benefits him.
 
this is true. esp with eto'o and ronaldinho leaving, berbatov could slot in right behind henry like bergkamp supported henry. guardiola could play them as a front two. i mean its barcelona ffs. Champions league football, 98k stadium, and not to mention weather/lifestyle that is slightly better than manchester. berbatov would be given so much time on the ball in spain he would be picking out wonder passes and flicks for fun.

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All a great idea and all but this is Barca we are talking about. Guardiola wont be changing the system from 4-3-3. Have no qualms about that. Thus I'm not too sure Berba would want to play second fiddle to Henry. Because I can't see Henry playing wing again next season, with Guardiola clearly on the hunt for wide men ATM. .
 
You clearly haven't watched Ibra's antics Chief. Ibra is a much different character from Cantona. Eric was a bit controversial but he had always shown great respect to the gaffer. Ibra has no respect to anyone apart from himself. Fergie would not tolerate anyone swearing and shouting at his face. Better players had been kicked out of OT for much less.

Ashley Cole's transfer was similar to Heinze's with the only difference that we refused to see Heinze go to Liverpool while Arsenal accepted it. SAF had also said once that he was offered Viera by Arsenal but opted for Veron. Two years ago we were also offered Henry but we didnt want him. Arsenal may have their preferences, but if the price is right they will sell to anyone.
 
You clearly haven't watched Ibra's antics Chief. Ibra is a much different character from Cantona. Eric was a bit controversial but he had always shown great respect to the gaffer. Ibra has no respect to anyone apart from himself. Fergie would not tolerate anyone swearing and shouting at his face. Better players had been kicked out of OT for much less.

You think Ibrahimovic would swear and shout in his face? Mancini has been known to be a bit of a pushover, personality-wise. When he was with Capello many people said he was much more calm and controlled. SAF could control his temper just like Capello could.

Ashley Cole's transfer was similar to Heinze's with the only difference that we refused to see Heinze go to Liverpool while Arsenal accepted it. SAF had also said once that he was offered Viera by Arsenal but opted for Veron. Two years ago we were also offered Henry but we didnt want him. Arsenal may have their preferences, but if the price is right they will sell to anyone.

Completely different. Heinze wanted to leave because he couldn't get first team football. Ashley Cole was kicked out because he was a cnut and wrote things in his autobiography which didn't go down too well with Arsenal. If you really believe that we were offered Viera and Henry when they were still in their prime you are mad. That is the key phrase, in their prime. They were too old when they left, Adebayor would not be allowed to come here.
 
Ashley Cole's transfer was similar to Heinze's with the only difference that we refused to see Heinze go to Liverpool while Arsenal accepted it. SAF had also said once that he was offered Viera by Arsenal but opted for Veron. Two years ago we were also offered Henry but we didnt want him. Arsenal may have their preferences, but if the price is right they will sell to anyone.
The difference was that we weakened Chelsea by taking Gallas off them. Those Vieira/Henry "offered to" Man Utd stories are just shite. We'll see who's the "selling" club when Real come knocking later this close season.
 
You clearly haven't watched Ibra's antics Chief. Ibra is a much different character from Cantona.
No he isn't. He is every bit the bad boy Cantona was in his pre-United days.

Eric was a bit controversial but he had always shown great respect to the gaffer. Ibra has no respect to anyone apart from himself.
That is wrong. Cantona was disrespectful to all his previous managers before Fergie. Zlatan ala Cantona never had any problems under a tough dude like Capello. Despite his reputation. All because he was under a hard ass manager with super man management skills who matched both his ambition, stature and his winner mentality. If a Fabio could get the best behaviour out of Zlatan, Sir Alex surely can. Because for my money, Cantona was harder to deal with.

Fergie would not tolerate anyone swearing and shouting at his face. Better players had been kicked out of OT for much less.
You suggesting Capello tolerated it. That's why he got along so famously with Zlatan?

Ashley Cole's transfer was similar to Heinze's with the only difference that we refused to see Heinze go to Liverpool while Arsenal accepted it.
That is a dead wrong. Firstly, Ashley Cole was moving to Chelsea for more money. While Heinze wanted to got to Liverpool for first team football. Secondly they were being offered Gallas, a top center back they needed, and extra cash. A case of being paid to weaken a major rival in exchange for an ungrateful bastard. We wouldn't have benefited from the Heinze deal in anyway. There simply can't be a comparison between the two scenarios.

SAF had also said once that he was offered Viera by Arsenal but opted for Veron.
Then you were misinformed. He wasn't offered Vieira and he didn't choose Veron instead. He rather made an audaciously high bid for Vieira. But Arsenal left it up to Wenger and Vieira to chose what to do. We were given permission to talk to him and agreed things. But Wenger vetoed the deal. And Vieira didn't mind either cause he couldn't envisage breaking Arsenal fans hearts at the time. So it was all kept under the rug until Fergie and Vieira himself revealed these things about a season or two later

Two years ago we were also offered Henry but we didnt want him.
:lol: We turn down Henry of two season's back:lol:

Arsenal may have their preferences, but if the price is right they will sell to anyone.
Fair enough but unfortunately I'm not convinced of this at all.
 
The difference was that we weakened Chelsea by taking Gallas off them. Those Vieira/Henry "offered to" Man Utd stories are just shite. We'll see who's the "selling" club when Real come knocking later this close season.

I never said that you are a selling club. I only said that if Arsenal had set a price on one of their players and we match that valutation (or we give more), then Wenger would sell. That is all. I dont know whether Henry's story was bollocks. What I do know that Viera's story is true since both the player and SAF confirmed it.

@ Chief. There was no clash between Capello and Ibra because he always played him, even when he was carrying an injury and it was wiser to do otherwise. Capello is a short kind term type of manager. He wouldnt mind fecking the career of a 20m rated striker as long as he wins the title. SAF will not do that. BTW Mancini is no wimp either.
 
Some of this shit is just plain ridiculous..devilish where do you get some of these views/ideas from? You surely can't be dreaming them up yourself? I'm guessing you read some Italian paper that is the equivalant of The Sun.

Sometimes you talk sense, but in the transfer forum, you talk absolute tripe.
 
Well I see you have conceded that the Henry fabrication is bollocks.

In your defense, I think I've spotted the underlying issue here.

It's quite common for players to switch around at the top clubs in Italy isn't it? That is a far cry from what goes on in the Premiership. Between the top 4 that is.
 
.....@ Chief. There was no clash between Capello and Ibra because he always played him, even when he was carrying an injury and it was wiser to do otherwise. Capello is a short kind term type of manager. He wouldnt mind fecking the career of a 20m rated striker as long as he wins the title. SAF will not do that. BTW Mancini is no wimp either.
That isn't the point. I'm not convinced Fabio only kept him happy by playing him all the time regardless of the circumtances. Man management had a hand in it. Thus, I assure you. A Zlatan would never be a big problem for a man like Sir Alex. If you don't believe, just go and read up on Cantona's past before he came to United. It will make your realise what an angel Zlatan is in comparison. Yet Cantona was an angel while at OT under Fergie's management.
 
That isn't the point. I'm not convinced Fabio only kept him happy by playing him all the time regardless of the circumtances. Man management had a hand in it. Thus, I assure you. A Zlatan would never be a big problem for a man like Sir Alex. If you dont believe, just go and read up on Cantona's past before he came to United. It will amek your elasie what an angel Zlatan is in comparison. Yet Cantona was an angel while at OT under Fergie's management.

But that is how it worked. Capello just kept playing Ibra even when he was playing so shite that supporters complained in the stadium. Things where different at Inter where rotation was used regularly and competition was tougher. And Cantona was erratic but he was always a pro. He was the first player to come to training and the last one to leave it. Ibra is not that kind of player.
 
But that is how it worked. Capello just kept playing Ibra even when he was playing so shite that supporters complained in the stadium. Things where different at Inter where rotation was used regularly and competition was tougher. And Cantona was erratic but he was always a pro. He was the first player to come to training and the last one to leave it. Ibra is not that kind of player.
But when he is happy he causes no serious trouble. Besides, even last season he was Inter's top performer most times. Despite alleged problems behind the scenes. IMO under Fergie he would flourish. I truly believe.
 
Whether or not he's worth 25 million or whatever, who's to say. But he fits the bill nicely. He's at the height of his powers and the way he plays he'll stay there for at least 4-5 seasons. That's ideal for the likes of Welbeck and Macheda. Berbs takes and makes goals, he's good in the air, he's great when dropping deep and he's makes clever runs in behind the oppositions back 4. Playing off the shoulder efficiently isn't all that much about pace. We won't get Benzema so we should go for this guy.
 
He or Huntelaar will do IMO amongst forwards available. I noticed today that Huntelaar choses and picks his runs ala Solskjaer. Very impressive.

I noticed that too, took his goal nicely aswell, i could envision rooney slicing that effort, its clear to see we need that true predatory instinct back. I agree as stated in my post previous that berbatov and hunterlaar should be our main targets, in that order.

I was watchin the season review of 05/06 and although ruud wasnt at the top of his game for us he was still quality scoring over 20 goals, i wish we hadnt of sold him and things didnt pan out the way that did, but i guess thats football, he truly was/is a great striker.

Id love to know who actually is on fergies list, the hunter and berbalicious must be. I just want the signings made, i hate all this waiting, i suppose a lot depends on what happens with ronnie.
 
I hope we don't sign Huntelaar, Berbatov or Benzema. They all cost too much money for a player who won't be in our first choice XI.

Because I honestly don't think Ferguson wants to break up the Tevez/Rooney partnership.
 
Once we get rid of Saha, another striker will be needed.
 
I hope we don't sign Huntelaar, Berbatov or Benzema. They all cost too much money for a player who won't be in our first choice XI.

Because I honestly don't think Ferguson wants to break up the Tevez/Rooney partnership.
A Huntelaar would simply add to that partnership. As would a Berbatov. Because all 3 could play together with Ronaldo even.
 
I noticed that too, took his goal nicely aswell, i could envision rooney slicing that effort, its clear to see we need that true predatory instinct back. I agree as stated in my post previous that berbatov and hunterlaar should be our main targets, in that order.

I was watchin the season review of 05/06 and although ruud wasnt at the top of his game for us he was still quality scoring over 20 goals, i wish we hadnt of sold him and things didnt pan out the way that did, but i guess thats football, he truly was/is a great striker.
I completely agree
 
If Ronaldo fecks off you're going to need a 25 league goal aseason striker, which isn't Rooney, Tevez or Berbatov.

With losing ronaldo and gaining say berbatov we could make up the goals that he gave us because the others would naturally stand up and take on the responsibility
 
I hope we don't sign Huntelaar, Berbatov or Benzema. They all cost too much money for a player who won't be in our first choice XI.

Because I honestly don't think Ferguson wants to break up the Tevez/Rooney partnership.

Why would you not want them players if they benefit the team, remember a team is made of more than 11 players and we need quality through-out, not to mention we are light in the strikers department anyway and have money to spend, it would be stupid not to sign one of them. We need top quality because we have to improve on what we already have.
 
Berbatov is far too moody for my liking. He's a lazy striker and with the exception of Ronaldo, United has a team full of hard workers who earn their win on the day through determination.

I'd throw Podolski in the thread if you're looking for someone youngish but who has the experience required to not rot on the bench a season getting used to the game. I've been a fan of his for years now and I know a lot of people would disagree I think he's been on fire this Euro. He had an injury riddled first season with Bayern, came back in the fold to find his place taken and has had a difficult time coming back. Today read on BBC he's said he'd leave to Spurs or Juve, I could see him going for 20 million or so.

Podolski can play up top or in a 3 striking line-up like Ronaldo/Rooney/Tevez. He can play on the left wing quite well as he's proven this season and Euro and is always up to throwing out the 30 yarder. He's mobile, etc. Plus wouldn't mind seeing a German/ Polish lad on the team prefer them to a lad from Portugal or Argentina but then that's kind of racist :D

Huntelaar and Berbatov are just plain lazy strikers who wander around the box, I think for that position you're far better getting someone around 29-31 who can ride the bench but has enough years in them to do the job for ya.
 
Berbatov is far too moody for my liking. He's a lazy striker and with the exception of Ronaldo, United has a team full of hard workers who earn their win on the day through determination.

Agree.

We are currently a successful team and should be very careful about recruiting players that may not be prepared to put in the work. I'm actually pretty content with what we've got if Manucho gets a work permit.

Clearly Berbatov is a super player but I'd be worried about having him in our team. Serious danger he could reduce our attacking threat. Problem with big money signings is that the manager feels he has to play them. Tevez took quite a while to get the hang of our system and we were fortunate that we got away with it really. Assuming Ronaldo stays for one or two years then moves to Madrid, I'd be looking to go with our current set up then change it when he leaves.

Some players are content to sit on the bench while others aren't. I really don't see Berbatov happy to warm the bench 70% of the time.
 
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