Berbatov

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Glaston, there's not much information in the papers at the moment about the deal being agreed. How credible do you think is the info you got?

Glaston quite often refers to ITKs so I decided to do a search on some of his previous "ITK transfers":

Regarding Gilberto not passing his medical.
That may not be the final word in this story. According to a good Spurs ITK a deal of some sorts is still a runner.

The most respected Spurs ITK of all has just said "ANTON FERDINAND IS NOT SIGNING FOR US
FACT"

Diarra to Spurs? Very good chance of happening it seems
...if what I read from certain ITK sources is correct, then it's all done and dusted, although an announcement is not be expected until later this summer.

A Dunne deal for Spurs
More than one Spurs ITK is saying it's a done deal, with a medical arranged.

Gomes signing looking close now - deal likely to be finalised next week according to a respected Spurs ITK.

On another note; quite odd how many ITK fans there are at Spurs (Though as this shows not all of them are quite that reliable) where as it's impossible to find anyone with insider info from the rounds at Old Trafford - though RI has had a couple of users who claimed they knew something, but that's never turned out to be right as far as I know.

 

[Dresilved]

Thankyou, thankyou and thankyou.

I'm sorry to all those that ignore facts, cannot sift through truth and crap and decry logic. Be depressed that it isn't Eto'o, Villa or Benzema, i couldn't give a shit. This bloke is the dogs bollocks, wait and see.

Agreed

 

[Ekeke]

Thing is, nobody is saying he isnt the dog's bollocks. But he is clearly a different kind of player to the ones you listed. A team is about the sum of the parts, not how pretty each individual piece is.

I'm still hoping it's not true, not at that price anyway. He certainly isnt a United player yet.

Should we sign him, I believe most will be swayed by his first few goals as one of them is bound to be a cracker. There will still be a certain amount of fans come the end of the season who will still be wanting a quick finisher to partner Rooney as they, like I, see that as his ideal partner. And so either we may not take up the option to keep Tevez, or else we'll end up with our 4 strikers for the next 2 years or more which some will consider less than ideal - despite the astronomical amount spent on signing them all.

On the plus side, this could give Campbell the time he needs to develop into that kind of player.

 

[MadDogg]

That's reasonable if you're Eto'o though. I'd understand if he wasn't that good, but he is and his talent demands he start every game when fit.

But combine that attitude with the strong signs that he's on his way down, and will his talent continue to demand he start just about every game?

Even if Eto'o is still better than Berbatov now (I'd rate them about even if Eto'o can stop getting injured), I'd be very surprised if he's still considered better in a few seasons time.

 

[GlastonSpur]

... I'm sorry for you to see your club lose such a great player but at the same time I'd be extremely happy to see him sign for Manchester United ....

I'm actually not unhappy about it considering he wouldn't have been motivated to play well for us any more. It's a lot of money, especially considering we only paid 10.9m for him, and we can add that to the spare cash we still had anyhow and make some further strong signings this summer.

I think Spurs will end up stronger next season than at any time during the last 3 seasons, even considering the two 5th placed finishes and a trophy this season. We shall see.

 

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I'm actually not unhappy about it considering he wouldn't have been motivated to play well for us any more.

Well it's kindda been like that for a year now hasn't it? Didn't Jol say something about Berbatov desperately wanting to play for United, when he left Spurs?

 

[Ekeke]

But combine that attitude with the strong signs that he's on his way down, and will his talent continue to demand he start just about every game?

Even if Eto'o is still better than Berbatov now (I'd rate them about even if Eto'o can stop getting injured), I'd be very surprised if he's still considered better in a few seasons time.

How is he on his way down? He was laid off with injury for much of last season, if thats what you're refering to. When he was actually fit, he scored 15 in 17 games. And once again, they are totally different types of players. Its not about who is better, but who fits better.

 

[Kaiketsu_Zorro]

Well it's kindda been like that for a year now hasn't it? Didn't Jol say something about Berbatov desperately wanting to play for United, when he left Spurs?

I saw such a quote from Jol in one article recently but I did a search in google for it and it didn't find any other article that would contain this quote, so I tend to doubt it's genuine.

 

[AttackingFlair]

But combine that attitude with the strong signs that he's on his way down, and will his talent continue to demand he start just about every game?

Even if Eto'o is still better than Berbatov now (I'd rate them about even if Eto'o can stop getting injured), I'd be very surprised if he's still considered better in a few seasons time.

I wouldn't say he's on his way down. The main thing holding him back is injuries. Despite that he scored 16 in 18 games in the league which is huge even if a player wasn't injured previously.

Ability wise, I think he's in the top two in the world (strikers) if not the best. When I read that Barcelona wanted to let him go, I thought that no matter who they bring in, he won't be as good as Eto'o.

Maybe it does depend all about attitude though, if it can be sorted out and we signed him, we'd be laughing.

 

[Woodzy]

I saw such a quote from Jol in one article recently but I did a search in google for it and it didn't find any other article that would contain this quote, so I tend to doubt it's genuine.

I remember seeing the article in this thread the other day. No idea what page it would be though.

 

[Kaiketsu_Zorro]

I remember seeing the article in this thread the other day. No idea what page it would be though.

After former manager Martin Jol left Tottenham last season, he revealed: “I always had a good relationship with Dimitar. But the trouble is he wanted to go to Manchester United.


“It was in his mind and I could do nothing about it.”

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/52350/Berbatov-will-beg-for-move-to-United

 

[Name Changed]

28m is far too much. He is 28. We will lose huge money on him when we eventually sell him. He will be a good addition to the squad but I would still hope that Rooney and Tevez would be first choice.

 

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I saw such a quote from Jol in one article recently but I did a search in google for it and it didn't find any other article that would contain this quote, so I tend to doubt it's genuine.

Exactly, that's why I'm asking. We've probably read the same article - I was surprised I hadn't heard about those comments from Jol before, but it would also be pretty weird to just make up those quotes now, a year later.
Though it could of course just be a friction of the writers imagination, they post so much shite these days that they are bound to mix reality with their own made-up football world.

 

[GlastonSpur]

... On another note; quite odd how many ITK fans there are at Spurs (Though as this shows not all of them are quite that reliable) where as it's impossible to find anyone with insider info from the rounds at Old Trafford - though RI has had a couple of users who claimed they knew something, but that's never turned out to be right as far as I know.

The only one of those postings that so has so far proved wrong is Dunne - but then transfers are a complicated business and nothing is ever 100% guaranteed. The sacking of Sven and the unexpected appointment of Hughes blew the Dunne deal out of the water at the last minute.

I do stress that none of this info is from me. I'm not ITK and I'm only relaying. And I won't relay anything that would damage Spurs or our prospects of clinching a signing.

 

[MadDogg]

How is he on his way down? He was laid off with injury for much of last season, if thats what you're refering to. When he was actually fit, he scored 15 in 17 games. And once again, they are totally different types of players. Its not about who is better, but who fits better.

Generally, players like Eto'o peak between 25-28. As they hit those late 20's they seem to suffer some kind of burn-out and slowly fall away, often with injuries playing their part. That explosiveness and pace wears out their bodies quicker. Obviously there are exceptions and Eto'o could be one, but the fact that he's been coming down with a few injuries over the last two seasons doesn't bode well. I see very strong similarities with Henry in his last season at Arsenal.

Whereas players like Berbatov (Cantona, Bergkamp, Zola, etc) generally peak between 27-31. Once again, obviously sometimes there are exceptions, but I don't see anything in Berbatov's case that would indicate he would be one.

I would probably prefer Eto'o at his best over Berbatov, but at this point in time I see Eto'o as a much larger gamble.

 

[MadDogg]

28m is far too much. He is 28. We will lose huge money on him when we eventually sell him.

He's 27, and we wouldn't be looking to sell him. Not for at least five years anyway, and quite likely more.

 

[kishankhagram]

28m is far too much. He is 28. We will lose huge money on him when we eventually sell him. He will be a good addition to the squad but I would still hope that Rooney and Tevez would be first choice.

 

[Ekeke]

The only one of those postings that so has so far proved wrong is Dunne - but then transfers are a complicated business and nothing is ever 100% guaranteed. The sacking of Sven and the unexpected appointment of Hughes blew the Dunne deal out of the water at the last minute.

I do stress that none of this info is from me. I'm not ITK and I'm only relaying. And I won't relay anything that would damage Spurs or our prospects of clinching a signing.

Diarra?

 

[Ekeke]

Generally, players like Eto'o peak between 25-28.

Generally all players peak around this time.

As they hit those late 20's they seem to suffer some kind of burn-out and slowly fall away, often with injuries playing their part. That explosiveness and pace wears out their bodies quicker. Obviously there are exceptions and Eto'o could be one, but the fact that he's been coming down with a few injuries over the last two seasons doesn't bode well. I see very strong similarities with Henry in his last season at Arsenal.

Whereas players like Berbatov (Cantona, Bergkamp, Zola, etc) generally peak between 27-31. Once again, obviously sometimes there are exceptions, but I don't see anything in Berbatov's case that would indicate he would be one.

I would probably prefer Eto'o at his best over Berbatov, but at this point in time I see Eto'o as a much larger gamble.

All assumption. And Eto'o is a better fit. Even if he lost a bit of "explosiveness" that would still be the case. The only detriment he has in terms of playing ability, is his injury situation last season. If its going to be a regular thing, that effects things massively.

 

[GlastonSpur]

Diarra?

Well, that info. is less reliable than some. But then again it does say not to expect an announcement until later this summer - the transfer window remains open for another 7 weeks, so who knows.

 

[Ekeke]

Well, that info. is less reliable than some. But then again it does say not to expect an announcement until later this summer - the transfer window remains open for another 7 weeks, so who knows.

Fair point. Was actually wondering if I missed that one going through

Now a question. Would you be dissappointed if Berbatov stayed at Spurs and your summer spending was actually over?

Apologies if you've mentioned this recently.

 

[Name Changed]

Ok so. 28m is an absolute bargain and we will sell him for 40m in 4 years when he is 32!!

 

[KeyserSoze]

To be fair name changed you are not always going to be in a position to sell a player later on down the line without losing money. He is 27 but if Fergie wants him and sees it as something that will benefit the team he will pay up to his valuation of that player. If he plays a part in us winning trophies like Carrick im sure these clauses which have been rumoured will be justified, when was the last time we paid out right money for a player.

 

[MadDogg]

Generally all players peak around this time.

Yes, that's true. I'm not picking out Eto'o in particular. Most attacking players in particular peak at that age, largely because attacking players are generally more explosive. But players like Berbatov normally go on for a bit longer, since they aren't as explosive so don't put so much impact and wear on their body.

But I guess we won't know for sure for another three years or so. Once they hit 30 we can look at how the two of them are going, Berbatov at Man Utd and Eto'o in Uzbekistan.

 

[Name Changed]

To be fair name changed you are not always going to be in a position to sell a player later on down the line without losing money. He is 27 but if Fergie wants him and sees it as something that will benefit the team he will pay up to his valuation of that player. If he plays a part in us winning trophies like Carrick im sure these clauses which have been rumoured will be justified, when was the last time we paid out right money for a player.

I understand that but I'm just saying that it is massive money for a 28 year old.

 

[MadDogg]

Ok so. 28m is an absolute bargain and we will sell him for 40m in 4 years when he is 32!!

In 4 years he will only be 31. And why would we want to sell him at that stage?

We were never going to be able to sell Carrick or Hargreaves for more than we bought them. Nor Rio. We payed over the top for all of them, because Ferguson believed they were what we needed to be successful on the field, not on the bank balance. Berbatov would be a signing of the same ilk. It's one of the key differences between us and Arsenal if you haven't noticed.

 

[MadDogg]

I understand that but I'm just saying that it is massive money for a 28 year old.

What about for a 27yo? Since that is who we are talking about.

 

[pillory]

28 is the new fortnight.

 

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It is a lot of money for a 27½ year old, but if he gives us 4-5 years of brilliant football, then it will have been more than worth it - and Fergie obviously think so too.
Berbatov's got everything we're currently lacking in attack in my opinion, and I'm sure he'll be a huge success.
Sure, Benzema would also have been pretty awesome, but if we get Berbatov then we're getting someone who actually wants to join us, in fact he's desperate of doing so and has been for over a year (If the Jol quote is reliable) and I'm sure we all can appreciate that kind of dedication towards our club in these Ronaldo-days.

 

[charlenefan]

When did everyone get so obsessed with only signing players under 26?

 

[charleysurf]

Hmm, the views of cdmphy on this Spurs forum make it sound like the ITK on COYS that started this "Berbatov will sign on Wednesday" story is not to be trusted.

How much spunk has been shot in vain?

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?p=15148272&highlight=HoofHarted#post15148272

 

[KeyserSoze]

Hmm, the views of cdmphy on this Spurs forum make it sound like the ITK on COYS that started this "Berbatov will sign on Wednesday" story is not to be trusted.

How much spunk has been shot in vain?

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?p=15148272&highlight=HoofHarted#post15148272

What are you going on about, do you really think people are are interested in Spurs ITK's. Why would their views mean it will or wont happen. People have been talking about a hypothetical transfer on a football forum, I doubt spunk has been shot in vain.

Sounds like you are hoping he does not sign as much as others are spunking themselves over it happening.

 

[charleysurf]

What are you going on about, do you really think people are are interested in Spurs ITK's. Why would their views mean it will or wont happen. People have been talking about a hypothetical transfer on a football forum, I doubt spunk has been shot in vain.

Sounds like you are hoping he does not sign as much as others are spunking themselves over it happening.

If you read the reactions in the last few pages to GlastonSpurs news that Berbatov is signed and will be unveiled on Wednesday then you'll see an awful lot of spunk:

Omg *** R Awsum!!!111!!!

This is like porn to me.

You've just made god knows how many blokes get their penis' out

Good job

And GlastonSpur is just passing on the posts from these "ITKs" that Spurs fans themselves know are almost always full of shit.

 

[Lot 49]

How can we expect Spurs to ever take 3 points off Arsenal if we keep nicking their best players

 

[Ekeke]

What are you going on about, do you really think people are are interested in Spurs ITK's. Why would their views mean it will or wont happen. People have been talking about a hypothetical transfer on a football forum, I doubt spunk has been shot in vain.

Sounds like you are hoping he does not sign as much as others are spunking themselves over it happening.

Most of you guys seem convinced its happening. Even I'm curious when I wasn't before. All that can be believed right now is some Spurs ITK fans, and they aren't always right.

 

[KeyserSoze]

If you read the reactions in the last few pages to GlastonSpurs news that Berbatov is signed and will be unveiled on Wednesday then you'll see an awful lot of spunk.

And GlastonSpur is just passing on the posts from these "ITKs" that Spurs fans themselves know are almost always full of shit.

OK fair enough, I think people believing in Fergies interest or spunking is based on more than that such as the Leverkeusen bid, other rumoured bids, admiring comments etc.

I believe the mods should ban the phrase ITK instead of F>A>P, personally.

 

[kishankhagram]

Ok so. 28m is an absolute bargain and we will sell him for 40m in 4 years when he is 32!!

feck wit.

In 4 years he will only be 31. And why would we want to sell him at that stage?

We were never going to be able to sell Carrick or Hargreaves for more than we bought them. Nor Rio. We payed over the top for all of them, because Ferguson believed they were what we needed to be successful on the field, not on the bank balance. Berbatov would be a signing of the same ilk. It's one of the key differences between us and Arsenal if you haven't noticed.

Thank you

 

[Younited.7]

Most of you guys seem convinced its happening. Even I'm curious when I wasn't before. All that can be believed right now is some Spurs ITK fans, and they aren't always right.

Corroborating arguments...

http://news.google.co.uk/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=uk&q=berbatov

Now you can say what you want about the worth of the newspapers, but they do have contacts in the field and it isn't often that reputable newspapers will report an agreed fee between clubs. His agent has also been speaking about it, althoug he could not comment further, which is something of a tell tale sign that negotiations are ongoing.

Further to this, neither club has denied the rumours - something which Spurs usually nip in the bud. I don't think all this information should have to be relayed to you, it has been repeated throughout this thread.

 

[Woodzy]

"GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
there is only one club that doesn't sell it s players and it s Real Madrid(when he wants to keep them).
So stop getting angry,we are not a feeder club to no one specially that small club in Manchester.(but we are just not on the top of the food chain)"

 

[Ekeke]

Corroborating arguments...

http://news.google.co.uk/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=uk&q=berbatov

Now you can say what you want about the worth of the newspapers, but they do have contacts in the field and it isn't often that reputable newspapers will report an agreed fee between clubs. His agent has also been speaking about it, althoug he could not comment further, which is something of a tell tale sign that negotiations are ongoing.

Further to this, neither club has denied the rumours - something which Spurs usually nip in the bud. I don't think all this information should have to be relayed to you, it has been repeated throughout this thread.

I see no quotes from anybody at either club. Last week we were signing Huntelaar, because of a few quotes that werent from Ajax or United. Now we're signing Berbatov on quotes that arent from Spurs or United. We also signed Zhirkov this summer, apparently.

I'll give you that it does seem slightly more likely. Thats all.