And it's the most read newspaper in Britain.
Whats the chances that if he doesn't make it, the tories will preserve his body for public display ?
Boris Johnson released from hospital
- Thread starter Grinner
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
When you wrote that out, did it seem like a good point?
It's an excellent point and I haven't seen anyone use that angle when posing questions.
but that Nadiya's Easter feast looks nice
Nah. You?
What did you exactly imagine, can you be a little more specific on how it would be worse.
Isn't that the metro? Besides being read and being believed are two different things. The sense of the UK is not illustrated by the headlines of The Sun.
Downing Street has really narrow corridors, probably should've just had meetings online earlier but he still needs to meet and talk to CMO and others.
Guess they could've just locked him away at Chequers (where he'll probably eventually rest if/when he comes out of hospital in one piece).
Sadly all too often it actually is. Which the Facebook posts of my dumbass relatives prove quite amply.
Have you seen the fecking state of politics? This country is FULL of people who believe what they see on the front page of the Sun.
And if it is, it's because of the longtime effects of The Sun and its counterparts.
I think it comes down to them not taking it seriously in the early stages. If this had been a virus with 10 to 20 fold higher mortality then they would have one what was necessary to keep key members of government safe.
The Beatification of Turds has begun.The Sun
Bunch of wankers.
For those saying that the Sun is irrelevant because of relatively low circulation - the reach of newspapers is probably way up on what it was 10 years ago because of the move onto online. It doesn't matter how many people buy the paper - more people will have seen the online edition of that article of Facebook than will have bought the paper.
The main power that the papers still have is in setting the news agenda. Showrunners of broadcast new programmes (especially the BBC) are far too close the print media and are hardwired to looking to the papers for their talking points. When your national broadcaster is taking its cues from a print media dominated by right-wing rags owned by billionaires who have the ear of establishment politicians, you're always going to have a skewed national discourse.
The issue with The Sun, The Mail, the Standard and the Telegraph coming out with something mental isn't that everyone will read those papers and take it in, it's that when people go to sources they believe to be more neutral they'll find the same nonsense being platformed regardless of how valid a viewpoint it is or whether it's actually true, on the sole grounds that it was published in a newspaper.
The main power that the papers still have is in setting the news agenda. Showrunners of broadcast new programmes (especially the BBC) are far too close the print media and are hardwired to looking to the papers for their talking points. When your national broadcaster is taking its cues from a print media dominated by right-wing rags owned by billionaires who have the ear of establishment politicians, you're always going to have a skewed national discourse.
The issue with The Sun, The Mail, the Standard and the Telegraph coming out with something mental isn't that everyone will read those papers and take it in, it's that when people go to sources they believe to be more neutral they'll find the same nonsense being platformed regardless of how valid a viewpoint it is or whether it's actually true, on the sole grounds that it was published in a newspaper.
To be fair, Justin is already held in very high regard by most of Canada.
The sway the right-wing has in what becomes a topic of national conversation is just depressing. There's even a good example in this very thread. I only found out from @Silva's posts on the first page here about Boris's 'colourful' family life history - had a quick look into it and of course it's all true. His Wikipedia profile lists his number of children as "5 or 6" for feck's sake.
Can you even fecking imagine Corbyn or the Labour leader of the day having half of the skeletons Boris has in the closet and it not being a national joke 2 minutes after they were ever anywhere near a position of prominence?
'Turds' isn't meant as wishing Boris ill btw, it's simply what a few Guardian readers through the weekend Stewart Lee column have taken to calling him.
I wish Boris well but I think any one with the smallest amount of education regarding how to protect yourself can see he's been a bloody fool and shouldn't be made a saint of.
Imagine being the medical team responsible for the well being of the prime minister of a nation, and then having medical advice forced on you by Donald Trump, based on the ideas of Dr. Oz and Rudy fecking Giuliani. Poor Boris basically being used as a bleached guinea pig.
"Mr. Trump first expressed interest in hydroxychloroquine a few weeks ago, telling associates that Mr. Ellison, a billionaire and a founder of Oracle, had discussed it with him. At the time, Dr. Mehmet Oz, the host of television’s “The Doctor Oz Show,” was in touch with Mr. Trump’s advisers about expediting approval to use the drug for the coronavirus.
Mr. Giuliani has urged Mr. Trump to embrace the drug, based in part on the advice of Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, a self-described simple country doctor who has become a hit on conservative media after administering a cocktail of hydroxychloroquine, the antibiotic azithromycin and zinc sulfate."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-malaria-drug.html
Dr Fauci must be like : I am too old for this shit...
If Fauci had any balls, he'd speak his mind. What's stopping him from calling Trump out on his shit? A curtailing of future job prospects? The man is 79 years old and has reached the pinnacle of his profession.
Just another yes man.
I think you're being very harsh on him. He's been in office since the 80s, he appears to be far from your typical Trump lick spittle and my impression was that he actually showed some backbone when it came to Chloroquine. From his perspective he could break rank and stab Trump in the back, but what then? The media will move on within one or two days, Trump will fire him and probably give the job to an actual yes man.
Generally speaking it seems very stupid to turn away help in such a dire spot, but I think everyone knows that Trump probably sees this as an opportunity to claim he himself healed Boris with Chloroquine.
It’ll be pretty weird if Trump starts trying to claim that he healed Boris. I mean it’s a weird time and all but still.
I don't necessarily mean literally. E.g. he'd say "I told doctors there about Chloroquil and they said "you are very smart Mr. President, you could be a doctor" and then they used it to heal him."
This may be a silly point but I noticed in recent government statements that the word 'well' was missing. For example: 'The Prime Minister is responding to treatment.' Even if it was a lie, I would've expected this rather bland statement to read: 'The Prime Minister is responding well to treatment,' as this kind of obvious statement is usually given regardless of the actual condition of the patient.
Interesting point. Possibly nothing in it and a good demonstration of the importance of good word selection but equally you might be right and they might be trying to calm public reaction without being untruthful
It mean a lot, it could mean nothing, but it's not a silly observation.
On the other hand what does treatment even mean in this context? I mean part of the reason why this is such a mess is that there isn't really a working treatment right now and doctors can only ease suffering and support breathing, right?!
I was wondering this - there's no effective medication, no associated symptoms of dehydration or anything that might require a drip. Short of being on a ventilator there doesn't seem to be any treatment he could be given that would require him to be in a hospital bed.
People in hospital with pneumonia in a better condition than Boris have been told the same.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ill-disability-esa-fit-for-work-a8881001.html
I don't want to get banned so I'm not attaching the image from that article but it conveys it better than any words can.
Hes in a bed because he needs oxygen therapy and monitoring, sounds like hes past the point of being able to do anything himself. They're obviously trying to mask the seriousness of it but I'd guess hes in a pretty bad way.
So much for The Sun's rallying cry.
The Express even had to lie.
The Express even had to lie.
Last edited:
I didn't know we were supposed to be doing this.
May if it was f a p for Boris he'd get more love.
May if it was f a p for Boris he'd get more love.
Well i guess he is not the most popular prime minister but "celebrating" that people didn't clap for him while he is in hspital feels wrong.
Maybe I am a little naive but I think that in times likes this politics are doing the best for their people and we should be united in doing everything we can to beat the virus including support each other.
We’re on course to have the steepest curve of ANY European country, despite getting a 3 week jump on the outbreak, and a clear idea of what was going to happen by it hitting Italy hard first. Instead, at almost the exact time hundreds were dying over the there, Boris was saying “Maybe we just all need to get it? We don’t really need to close stuff... I’ve been shaking everybodies hands!..”
And now they’re trying to get people to blame each other, or footballers...anyone but them, for their lackadaisical approach not working...so forgive me if I’m not boarding the bootlicking bandwagon just yet.
I had Italian relatives messaging me at the time going spare, telling me they were scared for us because our government was mad... if THEY knew, then our govt should’ve fecking known. They’ve not done a great deal for their people, other than guaranteed to have killed more than was necessary.
Last edited:
Well fecking said.
I think it’s a fairly pertinent point. They
created a hostile environment to those in need of aid, scapegoated them and fuelled disdain towards them. Reading that story is heartbreaking, and it’s not particularly uncommon.