IIRC Liverpool fans just played down his quality saying 'it was all because of Suarez' when Liverpool finished 5th or 6th in 2014-15 season. Easy to rewrite the history anyways.
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IIRC Liverpool fans just played down his quality saying 'it was all because of Suarez' when Liverpool finished 5th or 6th in 2014-15 season. Easy to rewrite the history anyways.
Sure he did. It’s one of the first things he implemented. He made sure the forwards chased the ball right away. Your players wouldn’t handle it. Doesn’t make a difference. He would snub united and they would snub him. So that road is out.
Maybe in fantasy world he implemented it but in reality it wasnt the case.
Because he's worried his colleagues will laugh at him next Monday morning.
If I had to choose from the PL only, Rodgers will probably be the only manager I'd think would be capable to manage United. Other than Pep and Klopp of course.
I don't care if it is Jesus himself. Any manager that has managed any of the unholy trinity of Leeds, Liverpool and Man City is unwelcome at Man Utd.
And I know, Sir Matt Busby was a player at City and Liverpool. But that was a different time. I would probably take Eddie Howe right now. He is 'English' and fits in line with our 'Brexit FC' approach.
And I know, Sir Matt Busby was a player at City and Liverpool. But that was a different time. I would probably take Eddie Howe right now. He is 'English' and fits in line with our 'Brexit FC' approach.
That’s the way it should be. I wouldn’t have taken AF no matter what. Back then Busby and Shanks were close. The teams had a bond. Now forget it
And pointwise Ole was the best coach in the league for a while after he took over.
While I think Leicester have the better starting XI and manager, it would still take quite a lot to keep up the form and finish in the top 6 for Brendan. Let's see at the end of the season.
I’m not pro Rodgers just yet. Let’s see how this season plays out for him and OGS. But I do find your stance above extremely odd.
I get Liverpool and Manchester United not hiring directly from each other: adds spice and romance to the special rivalry.
But vetoing everyone who ever worked at the other club, especially when significant time has passed in between, when that person originated elsewhere and spent majority of their career outside Anfield or Old Trafford. That’s just self imposed stupidity.
If Raheem Sterling was available to us, would you be in uproar and against signing him? Of course you wouldn’t! Heck, I’d welcome Salah or Mane and a few others with absolute delight.
I don't think he would snub Utd. He might have managed us but he's not a club legend. Would Liverpool fans boo Roy if he was Utd's next manager?
I hate everything and everyone associated with Pool and City. I would much rather look for options elsewhere.
Of course, that's just my opinion. In fact, I would be very glad if we appointed Pochettino.I am sure you would agree.
It is not my place to say who should be United manager but this is a childish reason. Any player/manager with strong enough affiliations to the club would never consider working for the other club anyway (Gerrard/Carra or Rio/Neville for instance). Rodgers doesn't fall in that category I feel.
Also, you do know that Busby played over 300 games for City and Liverpool and was an assistant manager at Liverpool for almost a year before joining United, right?
Personally I would hate to see him go to United. He is exactly the type of manager you guys need - brilliant at coaching fundamentals. His attractive brand of football is precisely what a large part of your fanbase craves for. He is ridiculed largely because of his off-field quotes but I think he has improved there too. He was relatively inexperienced when he joined us 7+ years ago. And honestly, do you really care if your team plays great and the biggest short-coming of your manager is that rival fans laugh at his quotes?
Busby and Shanks were close but it was Paisley and Busby who were teammates and close friends.
For Rodgers he has no doubt taken us up a level.
Puel deserves credit for building this team, he is the manager who moulded the new team but suffered from been unable to break down the weaker teams in the EPL. That was what was preventing us breaking top 6, as the top 6 usually win all their games against bottom 10.
Rodgers record against the bottom 10 is significantly improved, we even won away to Burnley with 10 men which is what would be expected of a top 6 team. We still play possession but the game is now less predictable we now capable of changing our pace and style mid game on a whim. Which is what teams do under top managers. So against Newcastle we started slow, and made them feel comfortable, then we went up a gear and they didn't know what to do. When they went down to 10 men, we then had that killer instinct top teams have which I have never seen from Leicester before. They were for large parts of the game pegged in their own box and at full time had no shots on target.
Top 6 is the target, I am hoping for top 4 and another CL season. Obviously with Klopp and Pep on fire a second title win is not going to happen those two teams are on a different level. So we targeting 3-6 in the league.
In regards to Liverpool fans, most I have communicated with actually do rate Rodgers, the moment he joined they predicted good things. There is one fan who hates him and she puts their 2nd place down to Saurez. But all the rest I have spoken to rate him.
There is the obvious issue, Rodgers is not loyal. If he is prepared to leave Celtic mid season, then he will do the same to us. Right now Man Utd, is in turmoil and Spurs may do a manager swap as well. Either one could come in for him. I would like to think we get at least 2 seasons out of him at the very least but in modern football players and managers consider that a long time.
Puel deserves credit for building this team, he is the manager who moulded the new team but suffered from been unable to break down the weaker teams in the EPL. That was what was preventing us breaking top 6, as the top 6 usually win all their games against bottom 10.
Rodgers record against the bottom 10 is significantly improved, we even won away to Burnley with 10 men which is what would be expected of a top 6 team. We still play possession but the game is now less predictable we now capable of changing our pace and style mid game on a whim. Which is what teams do under top managers. So against Newcastle we started slow, and made them feel comfortable, then we went up a gear and they didn't know what to do. When they went down to 10 men, we then had that killer instinct top teams have which I have never seen from Leicester before. They were for large parts of the game pegged in their own box and at full time had no shots on target.
Top 6 is the target, I am hoping for top 4 and another CL season. Obviously with Klopp and Pep on fire a second title win is not going to happen those two teams are on a different level. So we targeting 3-6 in the league.
In regards to Liverpool fans, most I have communicated with actually do rate Rodgers, the moment he joined they predicted good things. There is one fan who hates him and she puts their 2nd place down to Saurez. But all the rest I have spoken to rate him.
There is the obvious issue, Rodgers is not loyal. If he is prepared to leave Celtic mid season, then he will do the same to us. Right now Man Utd, is in turmoil and Spurs may do a manager swap as well. Either one could come in for him. I would like to think we get at least 2 seasons out of him at the very least but in modern football players and managers consider that a long time.
You make some good points but I see him as a Category 2 coach. If Liverpool got Mourinho after Klopp I would personally be worried, as I think he's still a great manager and would do a good job there. However, BR is not going to get United back above City and Liverpool, so the humiliation of getting a Liverpool reject just to stay behind you wouldn't be worth it.
I'd agree with you that he is a category 2 coach at this moment in time, but I think your first priority is to get yourselves back as a regular top 4 side before you can start thinking about title challenges, & I believe Rodgers is someone who can do that. He's managed 2 big clubs with us & Celtic so he'll not be fazed by the job or the big expectations that come with it. United might become a more attractive club to the 'category 1' managers if Brendan gets you back up there but fails to meet the standards required to mount a regular title challenge. As it stands Manchester United currently have to cut their cloth accordingly. But as a club that prides itself on playing football the right way, you could do far worse than Rodgers.
Rodgers would just at the chance to manage United. Ffs look how he discarded Celtic...
He's obviously a quality manager, bit of a dickhead though.
I'd still go for Howe or Poch ahead of him, especially given he was at Pool.
I'd still go for Howe or Poch ahead of him, especially given he was at Pool.
I think England's NT will be his next step. Unless Southgate wins the Euro or reaches the final.
Agreed. I also think his recruitment is quite poor and he benefits better when the players are already there for him to improve/coach.
What about the likes of Chelsea, Spurs or Arsenal?
Lampard and Emery by no means safe in their current positions. Poch could easily pack up his bags for sunny Madrid.
Lampard and Emery by no means safe in their current positions. Poch could easily pack up his bags for sunny Madrid.
BR is way better than Mou, right now. Mou was a disaster in two subsequent stints. And you would not want him anywhere near a Liverpool-style of club.
Well, I would certainly think that. He made a right mess of it after the insane Suarez season. But, he ist still probably the best British manager there is, right now.
Like any manager his recruitment is some good, some bad. He signed Coutinho for 8.5 mill, he signed Dembele for Celtic basically on a free. Of course he has some bad ones in there, but I wouldn't single his recruitment as a major weakness.
I've said it often enough now. Coutinho, Firmino and Sturridge were signed over his head. He was not happy at the time of these players coming in. Obviously his coaching meant they flowered so credit to him for that. But he will burn you badly if he wants control of recruitment .
Managing a European campaign as well as a league campaign as well as transfers are largely his main weaknesses. The latter largely down to ego. No denying though he is a superb coach, said it for as long as I’ve been on here.
He lost his way with us at the end when he started deviating from what worked well for him, he built a side based on movement energy and high pressing football and then for whatever reason decided to start signing target men. The impression I got with Rodgers is he never actually implemented “his” plan with us, he kind of just made the best out of the players he had at his disposal. Don’t get me wrong the fundamentals of his coaching were always there, but we went from possession one season to a counter attacking side the title challenging season, then after that a mish mash between the two. Best example I can think of is the 14/15 season where we were dreadful until he switched to 3 at the back and put sterling up front. He had a squad with the likes of Hendo Lallana Coutinho Sterling and put Lambert/Balotelli up front then subsequently benteke. Players who are set up to play one way and players coached to play another. The biggest criticism I would have of him with us is he never found a balance between attack and defence, he never managed to properly coach a back 4.
If you got a proper structure in place in terms of a way of playing for the club, and you had a prototype for the kind of profile of player you wanted and had some sort of DOF in place and got him to work with that it could work, otherwise it’ll go to pieces. His best signing was probably the 18 months he got Sturridge to stay fit.
He lost his way with us at the end when he started deviating from what worked well for him, he built a side based on movement energy and high pressing football and then for whatever reason decided to start signing target men. The impression I got with Rodgers is he never actually implemented “his” plan with us, he kind of just made the best out of the players he had at his disposal. Don’t get me wrong the fundamentals of his coaching were always there, but we went from possession one season to a counter attacking side the title challenging season, then after that a mish mash between the two. Best example I can think of is the 14/15 season where we were dreadful until he switched to 3 at the back and put sterling up front. He had a squad with the likes of Hendo Lallana Coutinho Sterling and put Lambert/Balotelli up front then subsequently benteke. Players who are set up to play one way and players coached to play another. The biggest criticism I would have of him with us is he never found a balance between attack and defence, he never managed to properly coach a back 4.
If you got a proper structure in place in terms of a way of playing for the club, and you had a prototype for the kind of profile of player you wanted and had some sort of DOF in place and got him to work with that it could work, otherwise it’ll go to pieces. His best signing was probably the 18 months he got Sturridge to stay fit.
Can definitely see him at Arsenal or Spurs next season
Been a big fan of him since the 2013/14 season. What he did with Liverpool was great and he is doing a great job with Leicester City. I wouldn't mind giving him a chance at Man United but knowing how we are ran, it won't work out.
Would be great banter if he turns into Brentan at Arsenal.
AFTV will be a right laugh if it goes tits up
Still not an elite coach off the ball and that in todays football means you are not elite.
After how he bailed on Celtic, feck him, wouldn't want him anywhere hear here, narcissistic cnut.
Oh god no.
To be fair, their defensive record so far this season is joint best in the league. Still a lot of football left of course.
You don't want a tanning salon next to the cheese lounge?
I just threw up a little in my mouth.
“Bailed” on a team that was guaranteed to walk the league every season to actually have a challenge, a chance to work with far better players and have a much larger transfer budget in a league he has unfinished business...
C'mon, it'd be great. Soon he'd be telling the press how Bill Nicholson wished him luck in the Spurs job.
I'd rather get Christian Gross back.
I think Brendan isn't the right fit for Tottenham - they need someone to get them over the line, major success-wise, not someone who'd merely improve them.
He does encourage a good brand of football and is one of the more progressive managers in the PL but is he able to rebuild a squad to play that brand of football?
His second season was really good but wasn't consistent enough in the following season. Of course losing Suarez was huge but he spent poorly afterwards and didn't have a quality squad with depth.
This current Liverpool team only really has Henderson and Milner (I think that's it) from his team and Klopp has had rebuilt it to the machine it is today.
It would be interesting to see how he does at Leicester this season but there are better options out there. Poch has slowly built a very good Spurs squad compared to the one he inherited...he should be the natural choice with financial backing.
His second season was really good but wasn't consistent enough in the following season. Of course losing Suarez was huge but he spent poorly afterwards and didn't have a quality squad with depth.
This current Liverpool team only really has Henderson and Milner (I think that's it) from his team and Klopp has had rebuilt it to the machine it is today.
It would be interesting to see how he does at Leicester this season but there are better options out there. Poch has slowly built a very good Spurs squad compared to the one he inherited...he should be the natural choice with financial backing.
If you're not willing to take Rodgers, why aren't you up in arms about the signing of Maguire?
He has started very very well for us. The most impressive thing is that he has proved that you don't need as long as the media will make you believe to completely change a side.
In six months he has changed us from a counter attacking side, unable to retain possession, whilst shipping a lot of goals, to one which is one of the best possession sides in the league, still with a huge counter attacking threat and very solid at the back, despite shipping our 'best' defender. Who, in Maguire, i'm confident would not get into our side right now.
He's done for us in 6 months, what it took Pep 2 years to do, with a fraction of the budget.
He has started very very well for us. The most impressive thing is that he has proved that you don't need as long as the media will make you believe to completely change a side.
In six months he has changed us from a counter attacking side, unable to retain possession, whilst shipping a lot of goals, to one which is one of the best possession sides in the league, still with a huge counter attacking threat and very solid at the back, despite shipping our 'best' defender. Who, in Maguire, i'm confident would not get into our side right now.
He's done for us in 6 months, what it took Pep 2 years to do, with a fraction of the budget.