As @Adisa mentioned, No deal is still the default outcome if nothing else is agreed.
Even if parliament votes to say it doesnt want No Deal, it remains possible until someone actively delays Brexit or rescinds Art50
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Even if parliament votes to say it doesnt want No Deal, it remains possible until someone actively delays Brexit or rescinds Art50
Government summary of a no deal Brexit published today:
https://assets.publishing.service.g..._Trade_of_a_No_Deal_Exit_on_29_March_2019.pdf
https://assets.publishing.service.g..._Trade_of_a_No_Deal_Exit_on_29_March_2019.pdf
As bad as No Deal will be I'm reading Twitter and getting a very strong indication that if there was another referendum between Remain and No Deal, No Deal would win.
I think we're stuck with leaving the EU now regardless of what happens.
I think we're stuck with leaving the EU now regardless of what happens.
The British people deserve a no deal and all its consequences if that happens
Well, that's just idiocy. I hope Twitter is not representative.
Thankfully its looking like we won't have no deal as an option on any referendum, which is just common sense.
Are you talking about any polling here or just remarking on commentators? I'd be shocked if no deal won considering remain vs a deal is very 50/50 itself.
Still waiting for my Carte de Séjour interview..
I'm reading comments mostly on different Tweets from major news outlets such as BBC, Sky News & Channel 4 News.
I genuinely think Leave would win. People really are that stupid.
If there's a No Deal v Remain referendum and No Deal wins, the British people deserve all the chaos that will happen.
On a news magazine programme here in France today (C'est dans l'air on FR5 for french viewers) - they were taking questions on Brexit - someone asked the panel - is it true that the British are stockpiling food and medicine.
One of the panellists said yes because the Uk imports most of their food but said they won't starve because if necessary they could eat porridge for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
One of the panellists said yes because the Uk imports most of their food but said they won't starve because if necessary they could eat porridge for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
Roughly:
Tories 45%, simple majority approaching 350 seats, picking up Labour Leave seats and some London seats.
Labour 32%.
Seats comparable to the Ed Miliband 2015 result.
TIG 12%
A few London seats.
LD 5%
Their strongest seats only.
100%. You only get so many outs before it becomes clear that you're determined to piledrive your country into the ground.
I was, like many others and the majority of MPS concerned about the Irish Backstop.
It is still a concern. However, as I mentioned it is nothing like as much of a concern as leaving without some form of WA.
In summary, nothing about Brexit is good news for the UK and on that basis we need to take a pragmatic decision.
How about you. What is your view?
Really. What makes you think that when there are so many MP's totally against this?
Yes, some appear dim but I don't believe the majority are that stupid.
I thought you told me before that nobody in France was even talking about Brexit.
Nothing wrong with porridge though. It is very good for you and some people could do with loosing some weight.
Good to hear that some French people find it so amusing....
I said very little - they do find it amusing though. Ils sont fous, ces anglais.
Even if they had the guts to stop it, which I don't think they have, how are they going to stop it? It's a runaway train with a lunatic driving it.
The DUP’s leader and deputy leader, Arlene Foster and Nigel Dodds, met the prime minister this afternoon in her House of Commons office. Afterwards, Foster said:
We support a sensible deal and a managed exit from the European Union. Parliament has mandated the prime minister to seek a replacement of the backstop. At that time, the prime minister committed to seek legally binding changes to the withdrawal agreement. This position commanded a clear majority in parliament. Mrs May should deliver on those commitments.
Experience in Northern Ireland has shown that extending deadlines does nothing to encourage a deal.
A no-deal outcome can be avoided and it can be agreed long before 29 March. The European Union have it in their hands to avoid such an outcome. They know exactly what is required to achieve a deal which parliament can support.
It’s time for Dublin and Brussels to be in a deal-making mode.
Just as well they don't read the government summary of no deal Brexit for Northern Ireland:
"In a no-deal scenario there is an expectation of disruption to closely interwoven supply chains and increasing costs that would affect the viability of many businesses across Northern Ireland. There is a risk that businesses in Northern Ireland will not have sufficient time to prepare. This could result in business failure, and/or relocation to Ireland with knock-on consequences for the Northern Ireland economy and unemployment. Northern Ireland is particularly vulnerable given its high proportion of, and reliance upon SMEs (75% of all private sector employment) and the number of businesses who trade directly with Ireland (Northern Ireland’s largest international export market). The agri-food sector is a disproportionately large part of Northern Ireland’s economy and located predominantly in border/rural areas. It is particularly vulnerable given its reliance on cross-border supply chains in the production stage and in finished products."
But why should they care?
We support a sensible deal and a managed exit from the European Union. Parliament has mandated the prime minister to seek a replacement of the backstop. At that time, the prime minister committed to seek legally binding changes to the withdrawal agreement. This position commanded a clear majority in parliament. Mrs May should deliver on those commitments.
Experience in Northern Ireland has shown that extending deadlines does nothing to encourage a deal.
A no-deal outcome can be avoided and it can be agreed long before 29 March. The European Union have it in their hands to avoid such an outcome. They know exactly what is required to achieve a deal which parliament can support.
It’s time for Dublin and Brussels to be in a deal-making mode.
Just as well they don't read the government summary of no deal Brexit for Northern Ireland:
"In a no-deal scenario there is an expectation of disruption to closely interwoven supply chains and increasing costs that would affect the viability of many businesses across Northern Ireland. There is a risk that businesses in Northern Ireland will not have sufficient time to prepare. This could result in business failure, and/or relocation to Ireland with knock-on consequences for the Northern Ireland economy and unemployment. Northern Ireland is particularly vulnerable given its high proportion of, and reliance upon SMEs (75% of all private sector employment) and the number of businesses who trade directly with Ireland (Northern Ireland’s largest international export market). The agri-food sector is a disproportionately large part of Northern Ireland’s economy and located predominantly in border/rural areas. It is particularly vulnerable given its reliance on cross-border supply chains in the production stage and in finished products."
But why should they care?
The French are mostly laughing their tits off at us. Are you really surprised? Would the Brits not be if the French were staring down the face of self-imposed food shortages and chaos?
Not only the French the Germans as well, folks at work just shake their heads all agree change is needed in the EU but dont understand why the UK wants out.
Don't agree. Preventing a no deal exit from the EU has nothing to do with guts, or the lack of it.
It has everything to do with logic and from what I see and read, there are very few MP'S advocating this option.
I may well be wrong (not for the first time) but that is my view, especially now Mrs May has opened the option of a vote to extend the leaving date.
I am not sure that the EU are that enamoured with a no deal either so I am hopeful that common sense will prevail.
How interesting that you talk about Germans colleagues agreeing change is needed in the EU.
What is it about the EU that they feel needs to be changed?
Lots of MPs are determined to stop a no deal. That’s why there’s so much pressure on May right now.
When I say not having the guts, I mean to go against the referendum result.
But what does preventing no deal mean, it means either agreeing to the withdrawal agreement or cancelling Brexit or May changing her stance completely and staying in the CU/SM. None of which are foreseeable.
And the EU are not going to change the backstop, this has been perfectly clear but the Uk aren't listening.
If May decides to ask for a three month extension, even if the EU accept, it only puts off the inevitable.
Also even if there is a no deal the UK still have to solve the border issue to stop breaking the GFA.
Well let's hope that they are successful. I am sure that they will be.
It never is.... Loads of people don't even know what it is, let alone use it...
Exactly. I sense a softening on the WA although probably not sufficient yet to win the vote.
I see no merit in delaying the leaving date but on the basis that she is playing the long game, another few months might well tip the balance.
Things like this constant mothering where things have to be a certain size, done a certain way etc. they feel that the EU is trying to take to much control from the countries.
Sounds familiar...
That is not a million miles away from one of the reasons why the UK voted to leave.
The EU is trying to take too much control from the countries is almost identical to - taking back control.
You better tell you friends to be careful what they wish for.
At the risk of offending people, that's just dumb. The sizes standardization are meant to allow consumers to not be fooled with products having the same designation but not being the same, whether we are talking about food or even pallets who are meant to be used in different countries.
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Imagine telling the Brexiters to be careful what they wished for. Trump says hello.
The problem is there's a majority against everything, but a majority for nothing.
So how do they stop no deal? The DUP, ERG and pro Brexit Tories plus the pro-Brexit Labour are not going to vote for the WA and neither are many remainers
Reading the 'No Deal' impact makes very interesting reading i.e. disastrous. It even mentions that Article 24 won't happen.
This bit was interesting...
Theres a lovely section on the effects on N.Ireland as well, if anyone from here reads that still stays 'just leave now' or 'WTO terms' just needs a good dig to the head
This bit was interesting...
Theres a lovely section on the effects on N.Ireland as well, if anyone from here reads that still stays 'just leave now' or 'WTO terms' just needs a good dig to the head
Dont want this, dont want that, 2nd ref would cause chaos, stopping art 50 would cause chaos, cancelling brexit would cause chaos.
Wtf is it remainers would like to see that wont cause chaos?
Wtf is it remainers would like to see that wont cause chaos?
I would have thought they would want to cancel Brexit.
They'll be much more chaos if it isn't cancelled.
This drives me insane.
Imagine - if a country was exporting to the EU - they did have 28 countries (soon to be 27) where all the standards were the same it would make life so much easier.
I'm sure Brexiters don't realise that when the UK exports to all these countries they want to do trade deals with, the goods have to comply with the regulations of the countries they are exporting to, not UK standards.
US regulations are tough, Trump will have a field day dumping stuff on the UK.
It is the main point made by eurosceptics and it obviously makes no sense since it's one of the main points and perks of the EU. The worse part is that in some cases they use products that have an AOC or its spanish equivalents which both predates the EU which makes the point even more ridiculous.