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devilish said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/07/lse-brexit-non-uk-experts-foreign-academics

I hope the EU does the same and bar the UK from every research they do. Can you imagine if all research done by British Universities and all British education as a whole ends up non EU complaint?
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Don't worry its already happening.

UK universities are getting fecked in the arse because the EU, understandably, don't want to fund projects at them (and at the same time May is fecking the universities in the arse by making it increasingly impossible to give out student visas which are a fantastic cash cow). The University sector is probably going to lose out the most thanks to Brexit. Hopefully I'm exaggerating, but I see little appetite in the government to prevent what could be a terminal decline in the quality of Universities here.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Don't worry its already happening.

UK universities are getting fecked in the arse because the EU, understandably, don't want to fund projects at them (and at the same time May is fecking the universities in the arse by making it increasingly impossible to give out student visas which are a fantastic cash cow). The University sector is probably going to lose out the most thanks to Brexit. Hopefully I'm exaggerating, but I see little appetite in the government to prevent what could be a terminal decline in the quality of Universities here.
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I wonder how they are planning to replace those pesky EU skilled labour with geniune, honest, hardworking Brits if that had to happen.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
So it's all getting a bit facist now.
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Only true Brits can advise on Brexit. You know. The real ones. Born here. Not the other ones. The foreign ones.

In other positive news expats now have a vote for life. Because they are true Brits. Born here. You know. Real ones.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Don't worry its already happening.

UK universities are getting fecked in the arse because the EU, understandably, don't want to fund projects at them (and at the same time May is fecking the universities in the arse by making it increasingly impossible to give out student visas which are a fantastic cash cow). The University sector is probably going to lose out the most thanks to Brexit. Hopefully I'm exaggerating, but I see little appetite in the government to prevent what could be a terminal decline in the quality of Universities here.
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That's my experience of it. I don't see myself working in the UK in the future now because the numbers of foreign students are way down (I taught them) and the funding won't be there either.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
Haven't we now slipped to 7th?
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The size of an economy is identical with its physical output of goods and services, which doesn't change with every up or down movement of the exchange rate. Proper comparisons between economies are based on PPP (purchasing power parity) which takes account of what a country's currency can actually buy. The British people's standard of living with respect to the French is no different now than it was last week.
 
Where's the quid at then?

I reckon most who voted leave are the sort who go on European vacations so hopefully they are really whining about how little a pound is worth now.
 
Grinner said:
Where's the quid at then?

I reckon most who voted leave are the sort who go on European vacations so hopefully they are really whining about how little a pound is worth now.
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Not really the season for trips to The Costa del Sol though..
 
Grinner said:
Where's the quid at then?

I reckon most who voted leave are the sort who go on European vacations so hopefully they are really whining about how little a pound is worth now.
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Their European trip has become very expensive, but some won't go in case they get attacked by a terrorist and some won't go in case someone shuts the door behind them at "Border control" and won't let them back in again;)
 
JPRouve said:
Reading the first paragraphs, I was thinking "it reads like France" and then the authors just said the same. Brexiters left the EU because the EU prevented them from doing what France does, it seems.
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I think the article makes a couple of good points. Ultimately the Brexit side won by promoting classic nationalist ideas. Nationalists are always concerned with identity. So it is not just about changing policy, but changing the perception of policy. A big selling-point of Brexit was “taking back control”. Few people were able to come up with substantial changes of policy (except limiting migration, which fits well into the category of traditional nationalistic ideas), but national sovereignty was also seen as a value in itself. That is based on an inherently collectivist view of society. It is an idea that lost a lot of credibility in Europe after WWII (compared to other parts of the world where it is still much more present). Yet due to all the recent crisis, it is coming back everywhere and that is scary.

It is still early days, so we’ll have to wait and see how things play out, but the Torries seem to shift in this direction and that is a massive change in their agenda. Parties are often arranged on a spectrum from left (socially liberal with a strong state to manage all sorts of problems) to right (conservative with a small state + emphasis on free markets). Classic conservatism/nationalism doesn’t fit into this system of classifying parties. It combines the ideas of a strong state that manages society with conservative/nationalist ideas of identity. Broadly speaking it is the opposite of classic-liberalism/libertarianism.

It is important to keep an eye on this, because that is a really troubling development.

I saw a couple of “funny” memes with quotes from May’s speech on twitter – just with a portrait of Corbyn in the background. Both parties might find themselves on the same side in the debate of “free markets” vs “state intervention”. It would be interesting to see how the Caf would react to May out-doing Labor on the left.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Don't worry its already happening.

UK universities are getting fecked in the arse because the EU, understandably, don't want to fund projects at them (and at the same time May is fecking the universities in the arse by making it increasingly impossible to give out student visas which are a fantastic cash cow). The University sector is probably going to lose out the most thanks to Brexit. Hopefully I'm exaggerating, but I see little appetite in the government to prevent what could be a terminal decline in the quality of Universities here.
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Add to that the completely unnecessary HE Bill allowing for scores of low quality private for profit providers to enter the sector, and you are absolutely right. I work in the sector and I am seriously considering leaving it.
 
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The amount of butthurt around here (and on guardian) for pro-EU "experts" being blocked from advising on Brexit is amusing.
 
@PedroMendez I understand what you are saying but for me the confusing part is that it has nothing to do with the EU. France has an omnipotent and omnipresent state, we are continuously talking about the french identity and we are always criticized for not being enough 'internationalist".
What May is currently proposing isn't strange in France, this week the state bought trains that they don't need in order to "maintain" french jobs, you can't legally rent without giving your identity and your nationality (the INSEE isn't allowed to publish these sorts of stats but they have them), in fact you have to give your nationality all the time.

France is a lot closer to what May seems to want for the UK.
 
AshfordLad said:
The amount of butthurt around here (and on guardian) for pro-EU "experts" being blocked from advising on Brexit is amusing.
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Whilst the desire to blunder into the unknown ignoring warnings of danger ahead from the experts of just about every nation we have ever considered an ally is clearly a demonstration of the unparalleled genius of all our noble Brexiteers. "To infinity and beyond", it may not be flying but it's falling with style.
 
AshfordLad said:
The amount of butthurt around here (and on guardian) for pro-EU "experts" being blocked from advising on Brexit is amusing.
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Why the random scare quotes? The person complaining was an LSE "professor" whose "expertise" was endorsed by a British "expert" too.
 
Don't want any of that dirty foreign "knowledge" polluting pristine UK minds.

Who cares if the standard of advice available to the government decreases as a result? Better to be stupid than non-British. After all, these duplicitous foreigners obviously intend to lure the mighty British Empire onto the rocks with their tricksy advice.
 
AshfordLad said:
The amount of butthurt around here (and on guardian) for pro-EU "experts" being blocked from advising on Brexit is amusing.
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And why do we need expert advice anyway? I think we've all had enough of experts. Bloody experts. With their experience and insights and knowledge. Who needs them?
 
JPRouve said:
@PedroMendez I understand what you are saying but for me the confusing part is that it has nothing to do with the EU. France has an omnipotent and omnipresent state, we are continuously talking about the french identity and we are always criticized for not being enough 'internationalist".
What May is currently proposing isn't strange in France, this week the state bought trains that they don't need in order to "maintain" french jobs, you can't legally rent without giving your identity and your nationality (the INSEE isn't allowed to publish these sorts of stats but they have them), in fact you have to give your nationality all the time.

France is a lot closer to what May seems to want for the UK.
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Oh. I misunderstood you. I totally agree with your assessment.
Historically and culturally speaking, France is much more nationalistic than the UK. The difference is that due to path-dependency (ECSC) and historical coincidence (geographical location), this form of nationalistic identity found a way to integrate a European outlook into its national identity. The French do it by trying to form the EU in their image (just like other nations try the same) as centralist interventionist power. The French understood, that their country will lose influence in a global world and they are trying to make up for this by embracing the EU. So in a way embracing the EU could be interpreted as a means to strengthen France.
LePen would be the inward-looking alternative of French nationalism that rejects the EU.

GB never developed a similar attitude towards the EU because of their heritage of classical liberalism, geography, the Commonwealth and various other cultural and historical events.
What I am also trying to say is, that this could be the beginning of a massive policy shift in the UK. While Thatcher was fairly nationalistic, she also embraced some ideas of limited government that influenced British politics to this day. By electing Corbyn, Labor broke with their past (3rd way) and by electing May, the Torries might follow this course.

*I know that pretty much every sentence in this argument is controversial/simplistic. I just lack the time to spell out all my thoughts on the issue.*
 
Frosty said:
Surely it is more the illegal discrimination and treating them as fifth columnists, no?
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Its surely not illegal. Many roles (in govt, defense and other areas) are open only to British citizens. The MoD even goes so far as to keep out Brits holding dual nationality as well.
 
Stanley Road said:
Its all good
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I have benefitted considerably since the Referendum and here I am telling the UK they have made a huge mistake.

I've just paid for the furniture and made a 300 Euros gain since I ordered it. (Although that is peanuts to other benefits I've made , thank you the UK for being daft)
Make the most of it while the UK are still in the EU
 
AshfordLad said:
The amount of butthurt around here (and on guardian) for pro-EU "experts" being blocked from advising on Brexit is amusing.
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Anti-intellectualism, registration of foreign nationals, isolationist policies and a populist politics. I'm delighted I get to participate in this recreation of 1930s Europe, it is a fascinating historical period. Oh, sorry.."historical".

When will these "experts" shut up and let us just blunder on. After all, it's only the entire rest of the world, who are inherently inferior to us Brits and have no "experts" anyway, we'll compete against them effortlessly.
 
Fingeredmouse said:
Anti-intellectualism, registration of foreign nationals, isolationist policies and a populist politics. I'm delighted I get to participate in this recreation of 1930s Europe, it is a fascinating historical period. Oh, sorry.."historical".

When will these "experts" shut up and let us just blunder on. After all, it's only the entire rest of the world, who are inherently inferior to us Brits and have no "experts" anyway, we'll compete against them effortlessly.
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:lol:
 
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