I'm trying to be objective mate (in my opinion).
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Er that's not how the system works.
Anyways am trying to be light-hearted with you mate let's not make it more vicious than it needs to be!
Its very difficult to be. With more time passes, its becoming evident that the EU wants the UK out and the UK is becoming more hesitant, offering stuff they previously weren't ready to offer.
Right, until the next time...I'm out (pardon the pun!)
Im not being vicious, its the truth. I mean can you imagine UK being lead by gaffe maestros Davis and Boris? And they are the best of the bunch (Im avoiding mentioning the uneducated Farage or the backstabbing Gove)
Closer to the US and not liking Europe? IMO, not really. Of course we have the common language with the US but we are in most respects more like our immediate neighbours - the belief in the social safety net, the post-religious nature of our society etc. We certainly have a business only attitude to Europe but that is a product of history - the UK is not trying to tie down its Eastern neighbour who has beaten it up 3 times since 1870, nor is it seeking a return to normalcy after dictatorship or escaping Russian domination.
As for Russia, I don't see why we have to accept Russian nationalism and aggression, particularly as that country has nothing much to back up the bellicosity. As for the Baltics, yes there is a certain pettiness and discrimination towards Russian speakers but you do have to bear in mind the history - most of them were descendants of post-1940/45 immigrants who were moved in as hundreds of thousands of natives were shipped off to Siberian gulags.
As for the EU army, let's see. I personally think a lot of Europeans have lost touch with reality over the last 70 years and think you no longer need armies. It will certainly be a hard sell to voters to raise defence spending to anything like the level needed to replace the US NATO shield.
Whenever you see the epix of UK history you remember Churchill and Roosevelt, Thatcher and Reagan and most recently Blair and Bush or Farage and Trump. You don't remember Churchill and De Gaulle or Blair and Berlusconi that's for sure. The UK sees Europe as the USA sees the Europe ie the continent they came from, who brings trouble and might turn dangerous. There is an intrinsic spirit of lack of faith in Europe and its institutions which is fair enough. There again, Europe cant have the UK constantly undermining them and vetoing its plan
I agree with you with the latter and Putin/Terrorism served as a wakeup call. However centuries of history taught us that Russia can't and wont be defeated apart from the Russians themselves. Hence we might as well accept our neighbours and act as good neighbours hoping that they will do the same. Most of the time they will. If not, then the EU army will be there to act as deterrent. I come from a country who endured the mad dog for decades who was by far, worse than Putin ever was
The NHS and welfare state came to be in post war Briton, we had no money at the time so you should be supporting way more public spending now
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The big dictate to the weak, the UK alone is weak.
Remove 'Old' and that's a spot on line
As opposed to geniuses like Davis, Farage, Boris and May....right
It's hard to disagree with you but it's the same out of touch bureaucrats and a troop of blood sucking billionaires who fought for Brexit.
Tbf there were blood-sucking billionaires on both sides of the debate.
That's totally fair, I don't make any difference between both sides but Stan always does.
Equally there are plenty of partisan posters on both sides here, as we all know.
So you are basically admitting that the Brexiteers had absolutely no fecking clue to do in case they win the referendum and now need time to work it out. Brexiteer politicians show the level of a three year old: Making a big fuss against something but totally clueless what to do then. How delusional they are shows their 'Have cake and it eat' plan.
I love it how Davis is backpaddling even now, would have expected that he's publicly in denial for a much longer time.
The Brexit team was a bunch of people from all spectrums so they were hardly going to come up with a referendum were they? If they had done I'm sure many people (incl me) would've asked 'on what mandate?!'
Ps o noes - it's all falling apart: http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKBN13T003
Did you actually read the article? The message is literally "a couple of not so shit things (bad but not as bad as forecast anyway) amongst a generally shit trend"
No they are just idiots. For some reason you seem to think i like these people, almost as if they had some sway on my opinion.
That's why many are wondering why on earth you want to leave. You dont mend what's not broken
You have Arsene Wenger's voyeuristic tendencies re the U.K. and Brexit! Chill, we're doing our thing man, look out for our notice, till then sort out the rest of your amazing 'empire' that is so flourishing...
In before paul says 'you havent left yet'
Pffft... Don't distract him with facts.
I know what the article says.
Speaking of facts - how are all those IMF, CBI and whatever else predictions coming along...?
Honest question, does it not worry you that you are on the same side of the argument as these "idiots"?
I live in the uk, i voted in the referendum, and i pay my taxes there. I can easily relocate to my country and ill probably will irrespective of brexit . However its unfair to say that i am not involved in the matter. Im probably more involved then uk citizens who hasnt lived there for decades
Resorting to name calling, well done.
Not at all, my dislike of the eu was there long before the bus. There are plenty of tossers in the remain camp too.
Apologies - was friendly jesting (I hope he sees it that way too or I'm more than happy to delete)
Fair enough - so continually taunting the UK to 'get on with it and press the button' on leaving when you are so anti Brexit is baffling then.
Im taunting the brexiter politicians who promised heaven on earth once leaving the eu and who are now hesitating to bring this heaven on the uk. Not you.
If you ask me brexit was for most politicians a way to send cameron home. No wonder why they are so frightened of brexit. They know its a crazy thing to do
We'll see how close they are the truth when Brexit actually happens, won't we? Once the people who duped you into voting (the ones that didn't immediately resign, anyway) get over their dithering and find a way to implement the damn thing.
They have been wrong in their predictions for 2016 and the beginning of 20017, this is proven. But then all too many of these reports were rooted in politics rather than economics, as a leading Remain campaigner admitted on Question Time a fortnight ago.
Is that what was said?
I've been resisting hard not to say anything.
I wonder if they will ever leave, they just can't say goodbye, because if they leave they've got no home to go to
I think we lent Ireland money as part of their economic issues and they were in the Euro. Does that not count?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2010/nov/22/ireland-bailout-uk-lends-seven-billion
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Yea where are they?Where are the other Brexiteers FFS! heh
They're somewhere not worrying too much about the future
Probably because they tend to be ignorant idiots, excuse the generalization...
It's good that a few of you have chosen to brave it out and try and allay those fears by providing the unbiased facts etc... Erm... Well... No maybe not.
Well its better than being shit scared of the future that the present passes you by.