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Oscie said:
Think that Labour benefits from a lot of voters, particularly young people, not being aware they're on the same page as the Tories and UKIP on the issue of Brexit.
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Corbyn is playing a very risky game.
 
Dobba said:
The Lib Dems won a council seat in Sunderland. Brexit is off, lads.

Scratch that, the Tories won one too. Brexit is both off and harder.
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If only there was a bigger party - with a better record of actually winning elections than the Lib Dems - that had the bollocks to take the Tories on about Brexit? Who knows? They might even have been able to give the Tories a bit of a shock at this election?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
If only there was a bigger party - with a better record of actually winning elections than the Lib Dems - that had the bollocks to take the Tories on about Brexit? Who knows? They might even have been able to give the Tories a bit of a shock at this election?
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Why would there need to be a 'bigger party'? The Lib Dems should be cleaning up, after all this election was apparently all about Brexit and they're as anti it as it gets.
 
Dobba said:
Why would there need to be a 'bigger party'? The Lib Dems should be cleaning up, after all this election was apparently all about Brexit and they're as anti it as it gets.
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Says who? That's a straw man. The issue here is whether a Labour party that took the same stance as the Lib Dems on Brexit might have made a better fist of taking the Tories on because they have a bigger support base to begin with.

I mean, feck me, if Labour can't make more of a dent in the Tories, straight after Windrush, what's the fecking point of them?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Says who? That's a straw man. The issue here is whether a Labour party that took the same stance as the Lib Dems on Brexit might have made a better fist of taking the Tories on because they have a bigger support base to begin with.

I mean, feck me, if Labour can't make more of a dent in the Tories, straight after Windrush, what's the fecking point of them?
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The big anti-Brexit movement that spent yesterday voting Lib Dem to 'send a message to Corbyn'. Not sure how that message is affected by the party literally in charge of Brexit gaining seats, but I'm sure we'll find out later today.

They've already demonstrated that they'll forgive anything and everything you've ever voted for if you whinge loudly enough (see Anna Soubry) so I'm not sure where this unwillingness to vote Lib Dem in huge numbers would come from.
 
"Brexit for jobs" who the feck came up with that slogan. The person's needs binning.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I mean, feck me, if Labour can't make more of a dent in the Tories, straight after Windrush, what's the fecking point of them?
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Not trying to defend Labour here (who are doing a piss poor job considering the circumstances), but its fair to mention that council elections tend to be quite focused on local issues, rather than national headlines. People tend to care more about their roads and getting their bins emptied.
 
Kentonio said:
Not trying to defend Labour here (who are doing a piss poor job considering the circumstances), but its fair to mention that council elections tend to be quite focused on local issues, rather than national headlines. People tend to care more about their roads and getting their bins emptied.
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From the analysis I've seen so far, the Lib Dem and Green gains are in areas that voted because of Brexit and the Tory ones are because of local services.
 
Kentonio said:
Not trying to defend Labour here (who are doing a piss poor job considering the circumstances), but its fair to mention that council elections tend to be quite focused on local issues, rather than national headlines. People tend to care more about their roads and getting their bins emptied.
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The results are following remain and leave areas quite closely at the moment, as with 2017.
 
Adebesi said:
If we can get 24mg liquid back in the shops Ill be happy. Ill happily sacrifice my future and that of my children on that alter. I had to buy a big bottle of flavourless 24mg liquid from America to mix with the 18mg stuff I can get here, but then I am losing flavour to gain a better nicotine hit.
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Defo worth economic obliteration.
 
Dobba said:
The Lib Dems winning council seats was going to send a message to cancel Brexit. At least that was the narrative on whichever hashtag they're using this week.
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Silly Liberals trying to do something to protect the country from a big mistake. Whatever next?
 
Jippy said:
I was late to the vaping party tbh, so haven't known any different.
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Dude, get hypnotised and have a clean break. Vaping is just a constant long-term reminder that you'd quite like to be smoking a cigarette. That urge won't ever go away, so long as you keep sucking on that vape. Then, one day, you're really drunk, your vape is broken/out of battery, someone offers you a smoke... you know how this ends...
 
Adebesi said:
I think enough people vape now that I dont feel like that much of a tosser vaping. No more than I look anyway, by virtue of being a tosser.
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I agree- it seems almost as common as smoking around here.
Pogue Mahone said:
Dude, get hypnotised and have a clean break. Vaping is just a constant long-term reminder that you'd quite like to be smoking a cigarette. That urge won't ever go away, so long as you keep sucking on that vape. Then, one day, you're really drunk, your vape is broken/out of battery, someone offers you a smoke... you know how this ends...
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That's a very solid argument- I guess vaping is just pretending I am still smoking and I have had a few slips. I will look into hypnosis and see if there are any in my area. Even if it's over £100 it will more than pay for itself so many times over.
 
I dont think its a particularly solid argument at all. Not for me, anyway. I have vape, so I dont miss smoking. If one day my vape broke down and I was drinking and wanted a cig, I would have one, and then the next day replace my vape and would happily continue not smoking. I have had a cig since I started vaping and it didnt tempt me back. On the other hand, I have given up smoking in the past for years, got drunk, had a cig and then got back into smoking. I think feeding the nicotine monster to keep him sated works better than trying to starve him to death once and for all.

That's me. I know other people dont find vape such a satisfactory alternative, so for them maybe vaping will always be a poor substitute.
 
This is what I don't get. Tory Brexit is fine because the person who points out it's a disaster has also lied in the past, so the best thing to do is allow the disaster to happen because pointing out a hypocrisy matters more?
 
Oscie said:
This is what I don't get. Tory Brexit is fine because the person who points out it's a disaster has also lied in the past, so the best thing to do is allow the disaster to happen because pointing out a hypocrisy matters more?
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No one is saying a Tory Brexit is fine just that Alastair Campbell saying well almost anything hurts the Remain cause. The hypocrisy stops people listening to your argument.
 
Sweet Square said:
No one is saying a Tory Brexit is fine just that Alastair Campbell saying well almost anything hurts the Remain cause. The hypocrisy stops people listening to your argument.
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Only complete fecking idiots will think being punched in the face is a better idea if the person telling you that being punched in the face is a bad idea is someone you don't like. It's shit like this that really makes a mockery of the idea their isn't a massive intellectual deficit among some on the left. The hatred that people from that fringe of the left seem to have against anyone alive who's ever inflicted electoral defeat on the Tories is also continually baffling.


If only there was 1% of energy put into fighting Tory Brexit as there appears to be in shouting down 'impure' Labour voices.
 
Oscie said:
Only complete fecking idiots will think being punched in the face is a better idea if the person telling you that being punched in the face is a bad idea is someone you don't like. It's shit like this that really makes a mockery of the idea their isn't a massive intellectual deficit among some on the left. The hatred that people from that fringe of the left seem to have against anyone alive who's ever inflicted electoral defeat on the Tories is also continually baffling.


If only there was 1% of energy put into fighting Tory Brexit as there appears to be in shouting down 'impure' Labour voices.
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Just just don't ever quote me again.
 
If Tony Blair said that burning dogs alive is wrong, it doesn't undermine the point that burning dogs alive is wrong simply because you don't like Tony Blair. If you think it does then, I'm sorry, but I reserve the right to consider you a moron.
 
Country about to drive over a cliff. Most important thing though is to make sure everyone knows that those pointing out the country is driving over a cliff have also committed driving offences in the past. And because of that everyone's unsure as to whether driving over a cliff is a bad or not because it undermines the argument that driving over a cliff is bad to have that pointed out by someone who's previously been involved in a car accident.

It's absolutely no surprise with the left in this state how the Tories manage to get away with absolutely fecking everything.

Outside of angry mob scenes in the Simpsons, this isn't how people are supposed to think.
 
Brexit: Rebel Tories say they have enough MPs to push Theresa May into staying in single market – if Labour backs it
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...vote-theresa-may-labour-backing-a8336971.html

Rebel Tory MPs believe they now have sufficient support to force Theresa May into effectively keeping the UK in the single market.

Conservatives have told The Independent there would be enough of their party’s MPs to lock in full single market access after Brexit, as long as Labour also backs it.

But in a move set to enrage Labour politicians, Jeremy Corbyn’s front bench will on Tuesday refuse support for just such a proposal in the Lords – preventing it from being voted on in the Commons.


Mr Corbyn is now being warned he risks a major internal row and must explain to pro-EU party members why he is “throwing away a clear opportunity” to defeat Ms May’s plans to abandon the single market.
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Which is fair enough because Jess Phillips was mean to Diane Abbott once, so....you know.
 
Again, let's pretend we don't notice the fact that those who are most keen on using the word 'Tory' as an accusation against those wanting to actually prevent disastrous Tory policy are the most vociferous supporters of those who seem to be doing everything in their power to ensure as easy passage as possible for a Tory Brexit.

It's akin to waiving by Thatcher's poll tax bill whilst insisting anyone trying to stop it is a Thatcherite. That's where we are now. Do anything to stop a Tory Brexit, you're a Tory. You prove your credentials as a definitely-not-Tory, by whipping your party into voting with the Tories.

Disappointing that the hard right and hard left have united in their wish to deliver a Tory Brexit. Just think it's ironic when the hard left do so whilst also being happy to accuse anyone who points out of absolutely absurd it is of being a 'Tory'. If you climb into bed with someone it's lacking in chivalrousness to use their name as an insult, guys. Come on. Have some class.
 
Labour peers accuse Corbyn of Brexit cowardice
Party is blocking efforts in Lords to call for membership of the European Economic Area
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/05/labour-peers-accuse-corbyn-brexit-cowardice

With Jeremy Corbyn increasingly under pressure from Remainers to develop a more distinct and robust pro-EU policy, Labour peers said they were outraged that the party appeared to be trying to block their efforts in the Lords to achieve a soft Brexit that would allow the UK to remain involved in the EU’s internal market, and provide a solution to the Irish border problem
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Being frustrated at what's being done to stop the Tories makes them Tories! Right?
 
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