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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
WTF!
As if the SNP needed more help to argue Scotland is better of in the EU than in the UK.
Woo, let's take back control
Woo, let's take back control
No doubt firms from the rest of the world will flood in when we start slashing corporation tax.
You aint seen nothing yet!
What I was going to say.
Mogg and co will turn this country into the world's biggest tax haven.
I've wondered for a while now, does anyone actually think that ridiculous toff twat could actually win an election? I keep making terrible predictions, so I'm doubting myself now, but I just don't see it.
I think he might. Despite loathing the meat of his politics I find the bloke to be quite charming and his mode of speaking strangely compelling. I suspect he's the definition of statesmanlike for a great number of people and I can definitely see him persuading enough doubters of his ineffable wisdom to win a general. When push comes to shove we're still largely socialised to be a nation of hat-doffers. Dude'll wrap himself in the flag, stare into the middle distance and have opinion leaders and Times op-eds devoted to praising his commanding calm and political acumen.
The unfortunate reality is that so many people are seemingly unable to think critically for themselves, and so take anything they see online at face value.
If May resigned, he'd absolutely win the leadership election. Assuming it's put to party members.
I know, I've spent years hating how ludicrous and just plain inefficient it is for a handful of the Eton privileged to have so much influence, but I agree, he has a way with him. As for winning an election it would come down to who the floating voters trusted to better run the country, McDonnell and Corbyn, or him.
Charming 
It doesn't take much reading to see that Rees-Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime is a dangerous faux-religious hypocrite who uses Christianity as a catch-all excuse for many of his policies whilst conveniently forgetting it with others.
Double-breasted suits and a toffee mouth do not equate to charming.
It doesn't take much reading to see that Rees-Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime is a dangerous faux-religious hypocrite who uses Christianity as a catch-all excuse for many of his policies whilst conveniently forgetting it with others.
Double-breasted suits and a toffee mouth do not equate to charming.
Surely there must be one decent politician in the whole of the UK (of any party) who could lead the country well - I can't think of any.
Charming is not the word that jumps to mind when I think of Jacob Rees-Mogg.
He's a dour Bertie Wooster without a shred of humour.
Still can't fathom how he is deemed an affable eccentric, when he has some of the most odious primitive views on abortion and the like.
I guess he has more character than May, which isn't hard, and is massively pro-Brexit, which is probably all that is needed for some voters tbf.
That’s ok, they’ll just tell us it was a natural realignment that was going to happen regardless, like when the pound plummeted after the Brexit vote.
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Bank of England governor Mark Carney says Brexit means real household incomes are about £900 lower than forecast in May 2016, "which is a lot of money"
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...nd-brexit-commonwealth?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
You couldn’t make it up...
You couldn’t make it up...
Those idiots, choosing 450m people and $16bn ahead of 65m people and $4m, I mean, who could possibly have seen this coming?
I get the impression the group of countries with which Liam Fox manages to sign a trade deal will be about as impressive as the coalition the US assembled to invade Iraq.
Brexiters don't care, all that matters is that they won. Other than the vote itself no-one knows, including themselves, what they've won. Many more prizes to look forward to when they finally leave.
It's always been an 'any cost' Brexit though, so doubt this would make much cut through when it comes to the official line of the Tory government and Labour opposition which have always been support for an any cost Brexit.
The forecast in terms of household income, GDP, trade deficiits etc have always ranged from pretty bad to dire. In the face of that May and Corbyn both stand up and effectively support Brexit in spite of knowing the impact they'll have on people in this country. It's optimistic to hope that people who want something despite what damage it'll do will somehow change their mind after learning what damage it can do.
It'll just prompt each party to double down on somehow pretending their policy of 'Leave and get the best deal' is somehow less bollocks than the other party whose policy is 'Leave and get the best deal'. For the sake of placating many people we have to go through the ridiculous charade of actually pretending that those are two entirely different policies.
The forecast in terms of household income, GDP, trade deficiits etc have always ranged from pretty bad to dire. In the face of that May and Corbyn both stand up and effectively support Brexit in spite of knowing the impact they'll have on people in this country. It's optimistic to hope that people who want something despite what damage it'll do will somehow change their mind after learning what damage it can do.
It'll just prompt each party to double down on somehow pretending their policy of 'Leave and get the best deal' is somehow less bollocks than the other party whose policy is 'Leave and get the best deal'. For the sake of placating many people we have to go through the ridiculous charade of actually pretending that those are two entirely different policies.
If I referenced Carney today saying households are £900 worse off cos of Brexit, people like my mother would say 'it's worth it to take back control'. I guess they'll pay any price to see a few less brown faces or hear less Polish accents.
Ideologists can't be reasoned with and my mother is sure the economic pain will be a short-term blip.
Sorry, I know a lot of us have been sharing the same frustrations for ages now, but it never fails to both sadden and anger me that people still think this is a good idea, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
I also genuinely think a lot of people don't fully realise what a household being £900 worse off means in real terms. They'd need to actually feel the effects rather than have them described to them.
Yeah and unless you are really breadline, you'll absorb that over the year and not really notice 20p extra on your loaf of bread, jar of coffee or whatever.
The lies though about developing wider global trade deals beyond the EU. I still have some stupid forlorn hope that the electoral commission kyboshes the bloody referendum vote.
Although to be fair the word that does jump to mind also starts with a c.
Mark Carney announces that the BoE estimate households are on average £900 a year worse off as a result of Brexit.
The response seems to be "But Iraq..." because Blair said something. It's the biggest elephant in the room, I think, that we 'new/old' left don't really seem to give much of a shit about the economic impact of Brexit on poor people but are massively excited by the prospect of letting people know how much they opposed the Iraq war for the billionth time
The response seems to be "But Iraq..." because Blair said something. It's the biggest elephant in the room, I think, that we 'new/old' left don't really seem to give much of a shit about the economic impact of Brexit on poor people but are massively excited by the prospect of letting people know how much they opposed the Iraq war for the billionth time
Can you find some examples of this?
Can we just fake Brexit, like have all EU name/flags removed from the UK, passports, anything else linking the UK to the EU but still remain legally in the EU? Brexiters won't look at legal documents so they won't notice.
It's abundantly clear that Corbyn wants out of the EU and it suits him to let the Tories make an absolute bollox of the whole thing, so he can sweep into power on the back of a Great British public who are furious about being sold a pup.
The only reason I could deal with a Corbyn Brexit over a Tory one is because I think he’d work bloody hard to retain the EU protection in place for People and Animals.
I think the Tory’s hope for Brexit is a tax haven with major deregulation so businesses can exploit people even more.
Essentially what the Republican’s are currently achieving across the Atlantic.
The tax haven idea is a strange one. There are plenty of tax havens (Ireland, Netherlands, Switzerland) that have full customs union access anyway, it's not like by turning itself into a tax haven the UK would suddenly be in a position of advantage. Businesses will still pick the tax haven with full customs union access!
Getting there slowly. The thickos in Westminster will realise soon enough