https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/10/eu-michel-barnier-brexit-deal-four-fifths-agreed
EU negotiator Michel Barnier says 80% of Brexit deal is agreed
EU negotiator Michel Barnier says 80% of Brexit deal is agreed
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If only the UK thought the same eh.
I.e. we've capitulated to 80% of their demands so far
That can't be real.
It's amazing how the Tory party is managing to look in chaos but simultaneously is (somewhat) improving it's public image as most of the MPs/people resigning are the genuine scum/shite of the party. 
These resigning's and reshuffling's reminding how many cnuts there are in the Tory party if nothing else.
Presumably waiting to see if he got promoted first?
Officiating crew from Switzerland
I'm sure Ben Bradley's resignation letter just got lost in the post, making it simply look like he'd waited to see if he'd get a promotion after the previous ministerial resignations and then sent it when it became clear he wouldn't.
OK, live with BREXIT then and stop complaining
I disagree with this. If membership of the EU has certain conditions, benefits and obligations attached to it, then it goes without saying, that if you opt to leave, you are also giving up those conditions, benefits and obligations, are you not?
I don't understand how Britain has opted to leave but still want to retain the benefits of staying in??
I repeat, wasn't that the whole idea of the 'Brexit means Brexit' mantra??
No. We didn't vote on whether or not we wanted to opt out of those terms and conditions. All we voted on was our continuing membership of the European Union. Switzerland and Norway aren't in the EU but follow plenty of the terms and conditions of the EU on certain key matters.
The 'Brexit means Brexit' mantra was repeatedly constantly but again those who advocate a hard Brexit haven't given any indication of a plan as to how this is economically viable and more importantly how they will implement an Irish border without violating the GFA. And due to that a soft Brexit appears to be the only reasonable compromise between both sides - leaving the EU in name but not causing too much economic damage by remaining closely tied to them.
Well like you said the perplexing part is that Brexiteers want benefits without the obligations and thought that Brexit was the road to that goal. It makes no sense but that's what they were seemingly aiming for.
That was the fantasy sold to voters, unfortunately.
How silly of me for being so cynical
Are Norway in the EU?
I think I can safely assume that a lot of leave voters were led to believe that we were completely detaching ourselves from the EU and everything that went along with it.
Agree with this, the leave campaign certainly had a lot to do with immigration and unless I am mistaken a soft brexit means thing stay the same?
Whether we can safely assume or not doesn't matter - there is no legal nor moral requirement for the UK government to have to implement a hard Brexit. Especially when the fact that we cannot end freedom of movement while remaining within the single market was never properly communicated during the referendum anyway. Indeed it's not even being communicated properly now, with May pretty much backing a soft Brexit while still saying we will end freedom of movement.
The eventual result was narrow anyway, and suggests a compromise between both versions of Brexit makes sense. A 52% for Remain wouldn't have given the government a mandate to take us into the Euro and argue for a fully federal US of Europe - similarly a narrow win for the other side shouldn't mean they get anything with no compromises between.
They do, but again this was never communicated. Plenty of politicians suggested we could end freedom of movement while remaining in the single market which is a patent lie.
Similarly, anyone who wants to end freedom of movement has not yet explained how this is viable while respecting the GFA, another issue that was blatantly ignored during the referendum. If no solution can be reached then a hard Brexit can't be implemented on a practical level.
I kid you not but a lot of people I know and work with said they voted leave because and I quote "there are too many foreigners"!
I personally don't care either way. I think Britain will survive well whether we are in or out of the EU. What I dislike is modern British politicians making total mugs of themselves and by extension, Britain. It's properly embarrassing.
I wish they would just be honest for once.
I wish they would just be honest for once.
But if that was the crux on which their campaign was based, then it is pretty poor form!
What the campaign was based on doesn't really matter though. All that's important is the question itself - that's what the government are being expected to adhere to. Immigration was the crux on which it was surrounded but many of the demands and claims made regarding it were flat-out lies - the fact the process is being respected at all on the basis of that is compromise enough.
Yep
It should matter though. If you were sold a story from some insurance salesman or pensions advisor and locked yourself into some long term expensive scheme...only to be told that actually your cover or benefits were completely different to what you expected, you'd be pretty pissed, right?
But it wasn't the Conservatives who were campaigning for Brexit. Labour were staunchly against it, the Conservatives had no idea what they were saying apart from a select few further right leaning members (Boris, Mogg, Gove etc), it was the UKIP reps and the far right that was campaigning for the impossible hard Brexit.
They were campaigning for an outcome which they would have zero input in implementing, and so could spin "Brexit" to be whatever they wanted, knowing they would get zero blame if the government then failed to implement what people expected. This was not a referendum won by a government or party, it was won by a lobby which spun an unrealistic picture of what Brexit would be, because they could, because that t where their job ended, and then all they had to do was sit back and wait to complain about how the government was failing the people.
Guy at my work voted for it because he heard some story about a fisherman having to repackage all his fish because of EU regs. He said he wasn't going to vote right up until happened and that was his reason when I asked why.
This guy is an otherwise intelligent professional.
And why did you vote remain? What do you reply to them with?
"I like foreigners me"
Well that would be an equally nothing retort if it were true.
People voted on feelings, not facts.
They wanted out of the EU and they wanted out of everything without realising what it meant with regards to freedom of movement or anything like that. Especially not the GFA and the Irish border issue. They didn't give a feck about it, they just wanted 'out'.
They never thought about all the legal entanglements and everything we have to respect. Not once. It was just 'feck the EU and feck immigrants' and that was it. Otherwise you wouldn't vote to change everything.
Europe always said they wouldn't do a soft Brexit and they have no incentive to compromise because we're leaving. We just thought we could bluff it.
I'm in spain right now, all the catering jobs are done by Spaniards. In Holland they have only just started employing non dutch speakers in bars and cafs due to chronic shortage of available people. Why are all the catering jobs in the uk done by eastern europeans?
I think millions of people don’t want to be part of a supranational dictatorship they know little about and don’t want to be part of the “ever closer union.” Lots of people want more control over immigration which they probably won’t get yet but leaving the EU in a sensible manner is a starting point.
But the problem is what constitutes a 'sensible manner'. One of the issues has always been the idea that these things can be as easily as some describe. 'sensible manner', 'let's get on with it', 'will of the people' - as if saying these things makes something that is intrinsically and painfully complex somehow more straight forward. Nobody ever seems to give much of a toss about the actual detail. Won't fix anything as straight forward as a chain on a bike by shouting at it and asking why it hates democracy, so why do so many who support Brexit thinks that how this is going to work?
Lack of interest in the detail has always been the problem. How we leave the EU and what kind of relationship we have after is key.
Controlling immigration is easier outside the Schengen area is easier than in it, something we currently have an exemption from that is suddenly now back on the table and possibly to be used as a negotiating tactic by the EU who know how far over a barrel we are and need desperately to avoid going off the edge of an economic cliff that we may have to give up all or part off our own exemption from that agreement all in the name of 'controlling immigration', because people who didn't know what the feck they were talking about said we could and other people who knew even less than they did, believed them.
Is this your opinion of the EU or the reason you think the Leavers voted this.
Dictatorship.? Immigration control the UK dont enforce ?
Something they know little about.?
Yet they voted to leave because they didn't understand what they were voting for.
Exactly my point all along. Ignorance is no excuse.
I think a lot of people don’t know much about it other than seeing the EU has a political end game and will stop at nothing to see it achieved. Every time there’s an issue in Europe the answer is to double down instead of reforming.
Immigration is of no huge concern to me but the power is not in the hands of the British people at present and more is being transferrred to Brussels every year. I also think a lot of remainers mistakenly think Brexit is the end. They see it as an event rather than a process of turning around politics in this country over many years.
The EU is continuously reforming, this idea of doubling down instead of reforming is tedious. Also on immigration the power is in british government not in Brussels.