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Stanley Road said:
Bingo, you're getting it. There isn't actually a fruit business at all if 21st century salarys are paid. Slavery is not the answer, closure is.
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Stanley Road said:
Brits, so long as the salary is minimum or above.
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I remember not that long ago you moaning about the price of fruit, so you don't want fruit at all now and on top of that one of the few things that the UK can be self reliant on is certain fruits and vegetables.
As I said which Brits are going to do it even if the wages were minimum wage.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
The type of work we are talking about here, fruit picking and the like have thousands of vacancies but no requests from Brits because they've never wanted to do it and they'll get more on the dole. Fruit picking is never going to pay high wages.
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Who gives a feck about fruit anyway? I mean, lets make this country even more unsustainable by importing all of our fruit from other countries that pay less and have worse working conditions. feck it, lets just ban fruit altogether because some idiot thinks it's beneath our citizens (or more importantly, stops those bloody foreigners from coming into our country!!). Despite said moron not actually living in the UK anyway. :lol:
 
Paul the Wolf said:
I remember not that long ago you moaning about the price of fruit, so you don't want fruit at all now and on top of that one of the few things that the UK can be self reliant on is certain fruits and vegetables.
As I said which Brits are going to do it even if the wages were minimum wage.
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Fortunately I eat fruit once a year, if its expensive cos someone is getting a decent salary then I am happy with that, and just cos I don't eat fruit there is still a demand for it as some people will pay whatever the price.
 
RedSky said:
Who gives a feck about fruit anyway? I mean, lets make this country even more unsustainable by importing all of our fruit from other countries that pay less and have worse working conditions. feck it, lets just ban fruit altogether because some idiot thinks it's beneath our citizens (or more importantly, stops those bloody foreigners from coming into our country!!). Despite said moron not actually living in the UK anyway. :lol:
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Nah let’s just stuff our country with unlimited foreign folks so it’s even tougher for local lower skilled folks on society to even contemplate getting jobs...not to mention the artificial impact to house prices, social services, etc. But most important of all...society and how it tears the fabric of communities apart.

Elite capitalists love the system the way it is. Capitalism is built upon this artificial pumping of economies by increasing the numbers of people (to fuel demand for more stuff), even if it is at the cost of societies.

I’d be very happy to go down this liberal utopia of open borders and genuine globalisation as soon as you get China, Middle East, etc on board. We can’t just walk in and do what we want (in terms of trade or society) in those countries, but we should let anyone do it within Western democracies? Shock horror: Brexit, Trump and all these other ‘undesirable’ parties getting so much traction / votes!
 
Stanley Road said:
Fortunately I eat fruit once a year, if its expensive cos someone is getting a decent salary then I am happy with that, and just cos I don't eat fruit there is still a demand for it as some people will pay whatever the price.
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What about the people who can't afford it and need fruit and vegetables in their diet?
No one is forcing people into slavery.

My niece has just got a job here in France picking apples until November, I doubt the pay is any higher than in the UK.
 
Member 5225 said:
Nah let’s just stuff our country with unlimited foreign folks so it’s even tougher for local lower skilled folks on society to even contemplate getting jobs...not to mention the artificial impact to house prices, social services, etc. But most important of all...society and how it tears the fabric of communities apart.

Elite capitalists love the system the way it is. Capitalism is built upon this artificial pumping of economies by increasing the numbers of people (to fuel demand for more stuff), even if it is at the cost of societies.

I’d be very happy to go down this liberal utopia of open borders and genuine globalisation as soon as you get China, Middle East, etc on board. We can’t just walk in and do what we want (in terms of trade or society) in those countries, but we should let anyone do it within Western democracies? Shock horror: Brexit, Trump and all these other ‘undesirable’ parties getting so much traction / votes!
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Hope you haven't torn the fabric of the community where you live in Canada apart, think of all the poor Canadians whose job you've stolen and the impact on house prices and social services, are you ashamed of yourself? ;)
 
RedSky said:
Who gives a feck about fruit anyway? I mean, lets make this country even more unsustainable by importing all of our fruit from other countries that pay less and have worse working conditions. feck it, lets just ban fruit altogether because some idiot thinks it's beneath our citizens (or more importantly, stops those bloody foreigners from coming into our country!!). Despite said moron not actually living in the UK anyway. :lol:
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Said moron does not like people being taken the piss out of. Fine that your happy to live with slavery, from Bristol by chance?
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Hope you haven't torn the fabric of the community where you live in Canada apart, think of all the poor Canadians whose job you've stolen and the impact on house prices and social services, are you ashamed of yourself? ;)
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10 month process, points based. My medical health, financial health, qualifications, etc etc were all scrutinised (despite being married to a Canadian!).

Thanks for making my point; this is what regular folks are fighting for in the UK!
 
Member 5225 said:
10 month process, points based. My medical health, financial health, qualifications, etc etc were all scrutinised (despite being married to a Canadian!).

Thanks for making my point; this is what regular folks are fighting for in the UK!
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Nothing stopping us from doing it for the bulk of immigration (non-EU) already. Those 'regular folks' you speak of are probably more worried about having neighbours from Iran or Somalia than Italy or France.
 
C3Pique said:
Nothing stopping us from doing it for the bulk of immigration (non-EU) already. Those 'regular folks' you speak of are probably more worried about having neighbours from Iran or Somalia than Italy or France.
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Theyd be worried if that frenchman was Paul
 
Member 5225 said:
10 month process, points based. My medical health, financial health, qualifications, etc etc were all scrutinised (despite being married to a Canadian!).

Thanks for making my point; this is what regular folks are fighting for in the UK!
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If EU citizens cannot support themselves they cannot stay in the UK, so that is irrelevant. This has been pointed out so many times.

Whether you're qualified or not according to your logic the other points still stand.
 
C3Pique said:
Nothing stopping us from doing it for the bulk of immigration (non-EU) already. Those 'regular folks' you speak of are probably more worried about having neighbours from Iran or Somalia than Italy or France.
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Paul the Wolf said:
If EU citizens cannot support themselves they cannot stay in the UK, so that is irrelevant. This has been pointed out so many times.

Whether you're qualified or not according to your logic the other points still stand.
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A few things, the rules have only toughened up more recently after the outrage by so many nations. My point was a broader point re impact on society, now we’re debating a slither of that (EU migrant rules to the UK in 2018).

As has been said so many times (admittedly perhaps my post should’ve been in a non-Brexit thread), immigration was only ONE of the topics of concern, and even then, not even the top one!
 
Member 5225 said:
Where do you live (not connected to this debate just curious) :)
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50km south of Limoges in France.

Member 5225 said:
A few things, the rules have only toughened up more recently after the outrage by so many nations. My point was a broader point re impact on society, now we’re debating a slither of that (EU migrant rules to the UK in 2018).

As has been said so many times (admittedly perhaps my post should’ve been in a non-Brexit thread), immigration was only ONE of the topics of concern, and even then, not even the top one!
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No they haven't. Fake news.

What impact on society, hearing people speaking another language, I used to do that when I lived in the UK, my wife and I spoke to each other in French in public so people couldn't understand what we were saying, must have driven the locals insane.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I think Eastern European migrants were the biggest contributers to the economy because they were generally young so healthy, had fewer children and often returned to their home nations. I.e. they paid taxes but were not an economic burden on the state through use of public services like hospitals & schools.
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That and the fact there are a lot less of them and they all tend to actually be in employment. It's such a bullshit statistic that...
 
Trying to figure out how those comments can't be a pisstake.

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Paul the Wolf said:
50km south of Limoges in France.



No they haven't. Fake news.

What impact on society, hearing people speaking another language, I used to do that when I lived in the UK, my wife and I spoke to each other in French in public so people couldn't understand what we were saying, must have driven the locals insane.
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Oh nice re France.

Well even if it’s the perception f it turning non-English speaking that’s enough. My point is try to understand what folks are actually feeling instead of just belittling and constantly telling them they are wrong or their fears are unfounded. Otherwise there’ll be more Trump moments IMHO.
 
Stanley Road said:
Where the uk building industry relies on eastern Europeans to exist, the Dutch builders I've had at my house have nothing but contempt for them, and this at a time when there is enough work for everyone.
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Why would Dutch builders being xenophobic be a surprise to anyone?
 
Member 5225 said:
Oh nice re France.

Well even if it’s the perception f it turning non-English speaking that’s enough. My point is try to understand what folks are actually feeling instead of just belittling and constantly telling them they are wrong or their fears are unfounded. Otherwise there’ll be more Trump moments IMHO.
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I'm old enough and ugly enough to have experienced life in the UK before and after they entered the EU or EEC. If it's not the EU citizens who'll get the blame, it'll be those from other countries or if not them the Commonwealth immigrants, if not them it'll be the Irish, if not them the Scots and the Welsh, if not them it'll be the those from up north or those from down south or east or west or country or town or even from the next village or the bloke next door.

My point is it's nothing new and the government encourage this xenophobia to deflect attention away from their failures. What do I care where my next door neighbour comes from or what language he's speaking, I'd rather be concerned at what type of character he has and how his behaviour affects me.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
I'm old enough and ugly enough to have experienced life in the UK before and after they entered the EU or EEC. If it's not the EU citizens who'll get the blame, it'll be those from other countries or if not them the Commonwealth immigrants, if not them it'll be the Irish, if not them the Scots and the Welsh, if not them it'll be the those from up north or those from down south or east or west or country or town or even from the next village or the bloke next door.

My point is it's nothing new and the government encourage this xenophobia to deflect attention away from their failures. What do I care where my next door neighbour comes from or what language he's speaking, I'd rather be concerned at what type of character he has and how his behaviour affects me.
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That’s a fair post re the immigration debate in general.

Slightly cynical IMO but then again I’m fairly young so don’t have tangible experience pre EU.

Immigration is just one slither of the (EU) issue (for me personally anyway).

Ps pardon my poorly worded posts, iPhone typing is so tedious!
 
Member 5225 said:
Hi Labour, what’s your actual position on Brexit?

“Go feck your self” is the correct response? Odd.
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Opposition ministers have absolutely no obligation to answer petty little demands from government ministers, and even less when said ministers phrase it in demanding terms. “Go feck yourself” is exactly the response that letter deserves.

Alternatively if Keir wants to be nicer, he could respond with something like “Dear Raab, I’d be happy to answer your questions, just as soon as you explain to the country exactly why we’re staring down the barrel of a huge economic disaster brought about solely by the arrogance of the last prime minister and the abject incompetence of the current one. I look forward to hearing your excuses for why future generations of British people may well face much harder lives than their parents did”.
 
Kentonio said:
Opposition ministers have absolutely no obligation to answer petty little demands from government ministers, and even less when said ministers phrase it in demanding terms. “Go feck yourself” is exactly the response that letter deserves.

Alternatively if Keir wants to be nicer, he could respond with something like “Dear Raab, I’d be happy to answer your questions, just as soon as you explain to the country exactly why we’re staring down the barrel of a huge economic disaster brought about solely by the arrogance of the last prime minister and the abject incompetence of the current one. I look forward to hearing your excuses for why future generations of British people may well face much harder lives than their parents did”.
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Not a fan of referendums then huh?

Wasn’t it brought as a question to the people precisely because it’s such a complex / emotive topic that has no clear answer, not forgetting the difference of opinion amongst the politicians we’ve elected.

And re Labour just telling them to feck off, pls don’t complain when they are taken as a laughing stock on the topic, or not heard whatsoever.

It’s Labour summed up: no idea what, we don’t have to tell you anything....but we know that you are wrong (whatever you are saying).

Laughable
 
Ps guys guys guys - I think the Scottish people need another one to see if this is the ‘In’ they all voted for! :p
 
Member 5225 said:
Not a fan of referendums then huh?

Wasn’t it brought as a question to the people precisely because it’s such a complex / emotive topic that has no clear answer, not forgetting the difference of opinion amongst the politicians we’ve elected.

And re Labour just telling them to feck off, pls don’t complain when they are taken as a laughing stock on the topic, or not heard whatsoever.

It’s Labour summed up: no idea what, we don’t have to tell you anything....but we know that you are wrong (whatever you are saying).

Laughable
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No one is seen as more of a laughing stock on the issue of brexit than the government.
 
Member 5225 said:
10 month process, points based. My medical health, financial health, qualifications, etc etc were all scrutinised (despite being married to a Canadian!).

Thanks for making my point; this is what regular folks are fighting for in the UK!
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If you're such an asset to Canada surely you're simultaneously an equal loss to the UK? I presume you benefited from UK healthcare, education and other social services during your childhood and youth. By moving to Canada you're taking away the return on the investment the British public has made in you, all while you benefited without having to contribute anything (until you became working age). How is that morally any better than someone moving to the UK for the benefits!?
 
Member 5225 said:
10 month process, points based. My medical health, financial health, qualifications, etc etc were all scrutinised (despite being married to a Canadian!).

Thanks for making my point; this is what regular folks are fighting for in the UK!
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Canada has one of the highest emigration rates p/c in the world and is pretty piss easy to get into and stay if you want to. You picked a pretty f*cking terrible example to try prove your point, especially when their PM constantly states how important immigration is to them.
 
The EU doesn’t need us, we need them so much more....our delusion is absurd, oh wait:

 
Member 5225 said:
What? It’s a fact she’s only getting 10 minutes, I just happened to link to an Express article about it. There are many many many articles saying the same, google it. You think it’s fake? Jesus Christ stop being so tedious!
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So lets say these reports are correct.

First of all getting the right deal is more of a pressing issue to the UK then the EU. Sure we're all bracing for a financial hit. There again, its not the EU whose forfeiting a trade deal with more then 60 countries + unrestricted access to the very continent it makes part of.

Secondly Brexit is not the EU's doing. No other EU country wanted it and we stood helpless as the UK voted to shoot at its feet and that of every single country in the EU. Throughout that time, people who likened the EU to nazism were promoted, while everything under the sun, from the EU institutions to EU court right to EU migrants were blamed of basically everything that is wrong in the UK.

But that is not all. While the EU brought at the table one of the most experienced trade deal negotiators in Europe, the UK did diddly squat for most of the time. First the UK PM resigned, then the EU waited patiently for the UK to actually activate article 50, then the UK triggered a general elections which ended up weakening the government, then that same government placed a lazy idiot who barely ever bothered meeting Barnier for trade talks and who thought that its possible to make trade deals with individual EU countries, then it came out with ridiculous proposals which was cherry picking only to settle for the so called Chequers deal

So seriously can you blame the EU for not spending every second left to discuss a deal which will probably be voted out in parliament or worse still modified few months later? FFS it cant even commit itself to pay what the UK owns the EU, after the former AGREED to pay for it in the first place. I am actually surprised the EU is still negotiating at this point. I would expect the EU to take a hardline approach threatening to ground every single plane going out of the UK and into Europe up until the UK pays every penny it owns the EU in cash.
 
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