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Seems like he was born and reared in England, to Irish parents. These alleged peasants who somehow could afford the expensive private schooling that put the plum in his mouth. I'm guessing his unpleasant views were honed at that same school.

Yeh London but state schooled though (Catholic supported) and folks from Galway....

http://powerbase.info/index.php/Brendan_O'Neill

I think we can safely assume from what we know he's a massive cockend.
 
https://www.ft.com/content/4610a4be...d178a#myft:notification:instant-email:content

Calling for a full investigation of Mr Banks’ links with Russia, Mr Bradshaw said he had received “a great deal of very interesting information”. Only some of it had so far come out, he said. Last week Mr Bradshaw wrote to prime minister Theresa May over claims she blocked a request to investigate Mr Banks in the run-up to the Brexit referendum.

I have to tell honourable members that a great deal more that is very serious is still to come out,” he warned.
 
Yeh of course it's just so laborious when an entire lengthy post needs to be deconstructed due to the amount of weapons grade bull in it. Apologies @Paul the Wolf if you found that irritating as it certainly wasn't my intention.

I've nothing further to add to a tedious discussion. I'd commend though to Paul and anyone else who despairs at the rise of xenophobia, racism and the politics of hate to take on board the work and findings of the likes of Hope Not Hate and the National Conversation on immigration as both show tremendous cause for optimism alongside worrying attitudes to immigrants and particularly the Muslim community. We can sometimes be forgiven for thinking that the Yaxley-Lennons of this world are taking over but card carrying extremists like himself are a comparatively rare breed in the UK. What's essential is respectful dialogue with the disaffected that his ilk seek to exploit for their own political gain and when we have that to counter, as evidenced, it simply shows real and understandable concerns within fragile and under threat communities. It part explains a referendum result that came as a huge shock to many but not where I live where no Remain posters were to be seen and where nobody knocked on any doors, asked anybody their voting intentions, and proffered anybody some insight into what was at stake. These communities weren't even considered important enough to consult and inform and that's a damning indictment. It's progress though that there is now a dialogue happening and if there's a plus to the whole Brexit shambles then it may be that voice has been heard and that a light has been shone on this divide within the country. Real political leadership is required and yet there is a vacuum. They are the culprits here.

Fascinating and interesting times I think.

You mean you don't know how to do it or are too lazy. You started this not me and have spent three pages trying unsuccessfully to disprove something using irrelevant sources and data. Repeating the same thing over and over again doesn't mean you're right.

It wasn't a huge shock to me which is why I arranged my life accordingly months before the result. I don't disagree about the remain campaign but the liars were the loudest and people still have the ability not to believe what they were told.

There is a huge political vacuum. Now people will reap the rewards of what they have sown. For the UK's sake it is hoped the price is not too high.
 
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How is that a concession?
If its time limited or the UK could unilaterally withdraw in the future then that would be a change in stance and somewhat of a concession from the EU

That said it seems the EU might not be ready to go that far
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...me-limited-backstop-says-dublin-politics-live

so who knows - i doubt may could get it through parliament without some time limit or UK ability to withdraw and I suspect the EU are aware of this so possibly they will agree to it (they will of course want something in exchange - probably paying full premiums with no rebates for the duration of the transition agreement as a minimum)
 
Never heard of this Brendan O'Neill pillock before but was curious to find out more about his Irish peasant parents. Nothing on his wiki page. Although it does reveal him as quite a piece of work...

Well this is he of "If You Were Abused By Jimmy Savile, Maybe You Should Keep It to Yourself" fame..

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/brendan-oneill/jimmy-savile-child-abuse_b_2017326.html

He also regards himself as Irish..

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6866102/brendan-oneill-irish-pm-leo-varadkar-a-cheerleader-for-eu/

Despite years ago deciding he wasn't..

https://www.spiked-online.com/2001/03/15/were-all-irish-now/

Quite the chameleon though this "ex Marxist". I'd take everything he says with a pinch of salt.

He's a professional contrarian, nothing else. Funny seeing someone so opposed to identity politics so regularly invoke their Irish heritage to explain themselves.
 
If its time limited or the UK could unilaterally withdraw in the future then that would be a change in stance and somewhat of a concession from the EU

That said it seems the EU might not be ready to go that far
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...me-limited-backstop-says-dublin-politics-live

so who knows - i doubt may could get it through parliament without some time limit or UK ability to withdraw and I suspect the EU are aware of this so possibly they will agree to it (they will of course want something in exchange - probably paying full premiums with no rebates for the duration of the transition agreement as a minimum)

The EU, as has been said all long, are not going to allow a time limited backstop or one that the UK can unilaterally withdraw from. Therefore until the UK government come up with a solution to the Irish border, we're not really much further advanced, notwithstanding getting it through parliament.

An air of positivity seems to have arisen, but I don't see the reason unless May is going to back down.
 
If its time limited or the UK could unilaterally withdraw in the future then that would be a change in stance and somewhat of a concession from the EU

That said it seems the EU might not be ready to go that far
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...me-limited-backstop-says-dublin-politics-live

so who knows - i doubt may could get it through parliament without some time limit or UK ability to withdraw and I suspect the EU are aware of this so possibly they will agree to it (they will of course want something in exchange - probably paying full premiums with no rebates for the duration of the transition agreement as a minimum)
Indeed. We know both sides want a deal of some sort, so there is likely to be compromise on offer, it's a case of whether each will accept it as enough to strike a deal, and if they do whether parliament will accept that deal. We simply don't know, it's wait and see time, like it or not. Unfortunately for the over-excited even if a transition deal is struck this month the whole circus will still carry on for years, as attention will seamlessly turn to what comes next after that.
 
Looks likely that after all is said and done the UK will remain in the customs union for the forseeable future (and probably permanently). Not surprised by this at all as there is no way around the Irish border issue despite the bluster from certain politicians. Whether it gets through the Commons is another issue.
 
Looks likely that after all is said and done the UK will remain in the customs union for the forseeable future (and probably permanently). Not surprised by this at all as there is no way around the Irish border issue despite the bluster from certain politicians. Whether it gets through the Commons is another issue.
I think it will but not with a Tory majority. If we stay in the customs union the SNP will vote for it there is also a majority of Labour and Tory MPs that would probably back it as the lesser of two evils.
 
Someone please exolexp to.me, how does the Custom Union solve the Irish border problem?
 
Someone please exolexp to.me, how does the Custom Union solve the Irish border problem?

It solves it because it means NI also stays in customs union which negates the need for custom checks at the border - which goes a long way to avoiding a hard border.
 
It solves it because it means NI also stays in customs union which negates the need for custom checks at the border - which goes a long way to avoiding a hard border.
What about the movement of people?
 
Someone please exolexp to.me, how does the Custom Union solve the Irish border problem?
If we are in a customs union our taxes and standards are aligned and therefore no need for checks on the border... at least for goods - Im not certain about people but I assume we would continue with free movement of people as well?
 
What about the movement of people?

If we are in a customs union our taxes and standards are aligned and therefore no need for checks on the border... at least for goods - Im not certain about people but I assume we would continue with free movement of people as well?

It would mean we keep free movement of goods and people so there would be no need for a hard boarder in Ireland.

It comes with the customs union. We won't get a customs union without free movement.
I was under the impression that Freedom of movement (people) was linked to the Single Market not customs union. I could be wrong though.
 
I was under the impression that Freedom of movement (people) was linked to the Single Market not customs union. I could be wrong though.
I think your right... but there is also the common travel area
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Travel_Area
In June 2017, the UK government's policy paper on the position of EU citizens in the UK stated a desire to "protect the Common Travel Area arrangements", stating that "Irish citizens residing in the UK will not need to apply for "settled status" to protect their entitlements".[40]
 
You have to be in the SM and CU to solve the problem as JPRouve says, there's no protection of the SM with just a CU.

You also need bilateral agreements on citizens rights particularly when it comes to homeland laws, common jurisdiction(s), have common executive and legislative organisms among other things. There is a reason why actual open borders only exist in one place in the world.
 
Jesus, Brexit as an idea is becoming one of the most stupid national decisions of all-time.

Is it not being reported on much in the UK or something? Why isn't there more opposition?
 
I've not read a brexit related article in over a week. It's become exhausting.
 
If its time limited or the UK could unilaterally withdraw in the future then that would be a change in stance and somewhat of a concession from the EU

That said it seems the EU might not be ready to go that far
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...me-limited-backstop-says-dublin-politics-live

so who knows - i doubt may could get it through parliament without some time limit or UK ability to withdraw and I suspect the EU are aware of this so possibly they will agree to it (they will of course want something in exchange - probably paying full premiums with no rebates for the duration of the transition agreement as a minimum)

The Irish Taoideach already said a backstop with a time limit "isn't worth the paper it's written on", the Irish foreign minister said it would never be agreed to by either Ireland or the EU and the EU's Deputy Chief Negotiator reaffirmed that this was the case. All of this just today. It simply wouldn't be acceptable as it would defeat the entire purpose of the backstop in the first place.
 
Jesus, Brexit as an idea is becoming one of the most stupid national decisions of all-time.

Is it not being reported on much in the UK or something? Why isn't there more opposition?
Just read through the last couple of pages of this thread and you'll understand why no one in the country gives a shit.
 
The Irish Taoideach already said a backstop with a time limit "isn't worth the paper it's written on", the Irish foreign minister said it would never be agreed to by either Ireland or the EU and the EU's Deputy Chief Negotiator reaffirmed that this was the case. All of this just today. It simply wouldn't be acceptable as it would defeat the entire purpose of the backstop in the first place.

That's the thing that I don't understand, it seems that people fail to understand why a backstop is needed. The UK are withdrawing, there is no if and buts, the UK can and are withdrawing which creates an issue that needs definitive fixing, both sides decided to call that a backstop. It doesn't matter if the UK and the EU have a deal, that backstop is needed because Ireland can't be in a limbo every time a foreign party decides that it wants something different. Ireland need to be protected from the idiots surrounding it.
 
Thought this was funny, Hammond at the Treasury Committee

Hammond says it would not be “plausible or credible” for the UK to refuse to pay any money to the EU if it were to leave without a deal.

But the government would want to revise the amount it would be willing to pay, he says. The deal agreed as part of the December agreement would no longer stand.

Q: Shouldn’t you be threatening to pay nothing? A lords committee said the UK would not have to pay anything. You should use your leverage.

Hammond says the UK would have some leverage, in terms of when money was paid. A lump sum is of limited use to the EU. It wants a flow of money. By threatening not to pay in instalments, the UK would have leverage, he says.

That'll show them, we'll pay all the money in one go.!!
 
The Irish Taoideach already said a backstop with a time limit "isn't worth the paper it's written on", the Irish foreign minister said it would never be agreed to by either Ireland or the EU and the EU's Deputy Chief Negotiator reaffirmed that this was the case. All of this just today. It simply wouldn't be acceptable as it would defeat the entire purpose of the backstop in the first place.
Yup and a non time limited backstop is impossible for may to get through parliament .. so its No deal or somebody blinks...
 
Thought this was funny, Hammond at the Treasury Committee

Hammond says it would not be “plausible or credible” for the UK to refuse to pay any money to the EU if it were to leave without a deal.

But the government would want to revise the amount it would be willing to pay, he says. The deal agreed as part of the December agreement would no longer stand.

Q: Shouldn’t you be threatening to pay nothing? A lords committee said the UK would not have to pay anything. You should use your leverage.

Hammond says the UK would have some leverage, in terms of when money was paid. A lump sum is of limited use to the EU. It wants a flow of money. By threatening not to pay in instalments, the UK would have leverage, he says.

That'll show them, we'll pay all the money in one go.!!
We should threaten to pay them in pounds not euros... That should scare the pants off them regarding a no deal
 
Never heard of this Brendan O'Neill pillock before but was curious to find out more about his Irish peasant parents. Nothing on his wiki page. Although it does reveal him as quite a piece of work...

Well this is he of "If You Were Abused By Jimmy Savile, Maybe You Should Keep It to Yourself" fame..

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/brendan-oneill/jimmy-savile-child-abuse_b_2017326.html

He also regards himself as Irish..

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6866102/brendan-oneill-irish-pm-leo-varadkar-a-cheerleader-for-eu/

Despite years ago deciding he wasn't..

https://www.spiked-online.com/2001/03/15/were-all-irish-now/

Quite the chameleon though this "ex Marxist". I'd take everything he says with a pinch of salt.
Seems the perfect person to break out the old “thundercnut” on.