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So you will pay them in toilet paper? Damn
Wouldn't that be weird if Brexit finally United Ireland? Not sure how that is ever going to fly with the Protestants in the north even if the Catholics on both sides of the border now want it. The stability that the Good Friday Agreement brought made a United Ireland far less of a priority for most who are for it in a general sense, as each side not killing each other was a very good start, but now?
I've tend to be sympathetic-ish as to not called people who voted leave the usual names but christ almighty this is such a stupid idea
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Yeah if you wanted to finish off whatever is left of the British empire than Brexit is a great way to do it.
Any idea what the political/religious environment is in the North these days? The possibility of the North reuniting with the South seems to have a completely different context this time, are there hard core enough factions to cause violence to stop it?
I get the sense that things have really shifted towards a "People's Vote" ever since Aaron Banks has been under criminal investigation for the source of the £8m. . . with Banks even stating himself UK might be better of remaining.
Last time I was in Belfast nearly 2 years ago there didn't seem to be a big push from the catholic side for reunification. The peace and economic benefits of the peace process were more important to many Catholics was my impression. A "bad" Brexit could change that I guess but I can't see the majority of Protestants being for reunifiction even if it does mean remaining in the EU - could be wrong.
Whatever happens I fear violence may result if the Good Friday Agreement dies - and it isn't in the best of health as it is with Stormont filled only with tumbleweeds for nearly 2 years.
I'm sure some of our Norn Iron posters will have much better insight.
I wonder if ROI would want Northern ireland back specifically those who vote for DUP
A united Ireland would probably take longer to do than the amount of time it'll take the UK to leave, their economy to tank, and then rejoin the EU.
It saddens me that it is coming to this. Northern Irish citizens had the best of both worlds under the GFA and FTA and now that's being destroyed on them.
It saddens me that it is coming to this. Northern Irish citizens had the best of both worlds under the GFA and FTA and now that's being destroyed on them.
https://www.channel4.com/news/major-new-brexit-poll-shows-voters-swinging-towards-remain
Analysis carried out by the polling company showed that 105 council areas that voted Leave in 2016 would now vote Remain. Since the referendum, support for leaving the EU has fallen most sharply in local authorities that saw the highest vote shares for leave.
The people have cottoned on to the shysters who themselves are now turning their back on the whole thing. Add to that a clearly incompetent government and the country is increasingly saying forget it. Another poll in a month and the swing will be even greater.
I think you are pretty much spot on.
I think what he meant is that they have made such a feck up of the whole thing, we'd be better of staying in Europe now.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...uk-power-to-end-brexit-backstop-says-varadkar
yup it seems the time limit and review / withdrawal mechanism from a backstop will continue to be a sticking point
Personally im about 50/50 if there will be some fudge or if they will go straight to no deal
and depending on the fudge i give may at best a 50/50 chance of getting it through parliament...
basically im pricing all jobs based on a no deal and advising we scale back uk investments - on the plus side there wont be any immigrants coming and taking the work as we will create the jobs in europe instead - well done brexiteers
yup it seems the time limit and review / withdrawal mechanism from a backstop will continue to be a sticking point
Personally im about 50/50 if there will be some fudge or if they will go straight to no deal
and depending on the fudge i give may at best a 50/50 chance of getting it through parliament...
basically im pricing all jobs based on a no deal and advising we scale back uk investments - on the plus side there wont be any immigrants coming and taking the work as we will create the jobs in europe instead - well done brexiteers
Thanks for posting that.
Zero surprises though.
Gauke and Gardiner typical of clueless current crop of politicians.
Farage , what a pathetic little man. He hasn't had the opportunity to spout more lies to brainwash the gullibles.
At 33:45 confirms the point I have been making all along and like the moron he is Farage falls into the trap and starts spouting on about non-EU citizens which gets a large round of applause.
Sad times for the UK.
A backstop with a time limit is not a backstop.
You know that, I know that, seemingly Theresa May doesn't know that.
Barnier says UK and EU not close to reaching Brexit agreement
Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, told the Belgian broadcaster RTBF this morning that the UK and the EU were not close to a deal. He said:
For now, we are still negotiating and I am not, as I am speaking to you this morning, able to tell you that we are close to reaching an agreement.
Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, told the Belgian broadcaster RTBF this morning that the UK and the EU were not close to a deal. He said:
For now, we are still negotiating and I am not, as I am speaking to you this morning, able to tell you that we are close to reaching an agreement.
Yeah annoyingly Farage is right that the reason for the drop in anti immigration feeling(And why it's drop down the list of importance for voters)is because people think Britain has kicked out all the foreigners.
I'm still of the mind that the UK government could put a border up in NL and it wouldn't effect party polling. People really don't care(Some actually take pride in knowing feck all about the process)
Leaving the CU and SM without putting up a border in Ireland is impossible so either the Leave voters were ignorant of that fact or they don't care. Both are equally reprehensible.
The Spectator’s James Forsyth has written a very good blog with new information about what happened at cabinet. Do read the whole thing here, but here’s an excerpt.
Penny Mordaunt argued that Brexit was like a plane journey and that people wanted to hear from the pilot at the beginning and the end of the journey and they got worried if they heard from the pilot mid-flight to say that they weren’t going to land when they were expected to. To which, David Mundell— the Scottish secretary — shot back that the passengers would be equally alarmed if they heard that the pilot couldn’t land the plane. To which, Michael Gove — a famously nervous flier — remarked that he always found a gin and tonic helped if that happened. I suspect that all the cabinet might be in need of a drink before the week is out.
So the UK will become alcoholics to shut out the pain.
Penny Mordaunt argued that Brexit was like a plane journey and that people wanted to hear from the pilot at the beginning and the end of the journey and they got worried if they heard from the pilot mid-flight to say that they weren’t going to land when they were expected to. To which, David Mundell— the Scottish secretary — shot back that the passengers would be equally alarmed if they heard that the pilot couldn’t land the plane. To which, Michael Gove — a famously nervous flier — remarked that he always found a gin and tonic helped if that happened. I suspect that all the cabinet might be in need of a drink before the week is out.
So the UK will become alcoholics to shut out the pain.
Who knows but considering how little NL border was given I image most didn't know and now they do they don't care.
GET ON WITH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not as easy as just giving it back before brexit. First there would have to be public consultations and referendums, to convince the people on both sides of the border that if they want what is a romantic notion to become reality, they will have to pay for it economically. Bigly. A recent study by Trinity college shows that the cost required per year to take on the North would be 11bn. Ireland don’t have that and the UK won’t want to fund it without it being part of the UK.
That’s before we get into how to untangle the civil service, healthcare, policing etc.
There would need to be a huge handover period, an expensive one. Would every ROI resident want to pay an additional 10% or more tax per month to fund it? I doubt it
I actually think it would be like Brexit in that the people would vote for it and then afterwards the “oh shit what have we done?” realization would kick in
It would be an absolute shit show. Though I guess it is possible.
Anything’s possible if someone is willing to pay for it. That’s the question for me.
Ignoring the obvious elephant in the room (inevitable violence)
Aye. It's very easy to imagine people voting for a UI only to then ask what exactly a UI means. It's also easy to imagine the UI we end up with looking very different to the vague, romantic ideal people might have in mind as they cast their votes.
"Looks like we are heading for no deal" from DUP chief whip.
Probably posturing from the DUP but still..
https://mobile.twitter.com/J_Donaldson_MP/status/1059748210271494144?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
Dont know how to embed tweets..
Probably posturing from the DUP but still..
https://mobile.twitter.com/J_Donaldson_MP/status/1059748210271494144?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
Dont know how to embed tweets..
I was thinking more about if Brexit caused the breakdown of the GFA, a hard border and a return to sectarian violence and then eventually a united Ireland rather than a pre-Brexit thing.
And if events ever pushed things in this direction there are huge political, social and economic hurdles to clear. Possibly insurmountable ones.
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Any chat about this today?
We should pay them in Initiative Q.
I'm seeing so many posts about this on Facebook from friends.You are 100% wrong. Once you treat (or want to treat) someone differently because is from somewhere else, you are xenophobic. That 53% is not neutral to EU, they want to treat them differently because they don't like them or they fear that they will do something to them while others that they are from the same area, they don't mention them and they might do the same (basically competing with them for jobs)
And yeah, basically and fundamental interpretation of really basic data says that 53% are xenophobic against EU immigrants, that is absolute majority, there is no other interpretation. Thanks for agreeing with me
Is your own link mate, is you that you put your fingers in your ears
May as well just stay in the EU, best for everyone.
Well, I live in Canada so...But yeah, I guess it would be better for everyone, but deep inside I like chaos to be unfold for the fun, but the same happened with Trump, and I don't like it
How did you get into Canada? Was it xenophobic of them to impose rules and stipulations for you to enter and live in the country. And is it xenophobic for them to impose one set of rules for you, and another for people who were born in Canada?
Because the EU citizens have to abide by the conditions of FoM otherwise the UK can remove them. The same as citizens from outside the EU, they have to comply by the rules. Now because the rules may be different is not the fault of the EU, they are imposed by the UK.
Typical example of utter ignorance was the woman in that C4 programme called ******* who said that the minimum wage for EU citizens is lower than that of non-EU citizens - well hello, that is because the UK set a higher wage requirement.
The criteria for EU citizens is that they are able to support themselves and are not a burden on the state which should also be the case for non-EU citizens, you can't really do a lot about UK citizens who are burden on the state.
Another clue, the only country in the EU that has "concerns" about FoM is the UK.
At the core it is as in an ideal world shouldn't be borders. But I am not naive
Also, you are wrong in the last part. Now as a resident I have exactly the same rules as a canadian born except voting and in 1 year and half I will be able even to do that
But in essence, is not comparable in the sense that if we consider all Europeans with the same rights, you shouldn't ask for different rules. That is why asking control from other countries of the EU, when had been established that shouldn't be like that, is xenophobic.
As I have been saying, there are several levels of xenophobia. You can even have them with your neighbouring town. I am xenophobic to a certain degree, I am tribal like many other people. The problem is when xenophobia reach high levels of intolerance, and Brexit is in my opinion a result of this