I for one am really looking forward to trying chlorinated chicken - if it's good enough for fat and unhealthy Americans then it's good enough for me. A good, Dunkirk spirit should include rationing and a much restricted access to fresh food - I'm all for it.
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Standing outside with placards barely gets any coverage and certainly no consideration from MPs we all know that. There's a reason there's a long standing tradition of shouting at MPs in transit as they'll usually get aired.
I don't recall many being outraged with the abuse Farage, Cameron or Boris got and that was often at their homes. There's an obvious double standard its either right or wrong not just when the person is deemed to have deserved it.
Personally i think if its people going in to parliament, a place of work, or a televised event then fine, if its whilst they're living their life off camera then that's a totally seperate issue.
That's a fair comment. I don't think anyone on here would get too outraged if someone got in Farage's face and called him an odious twat.
What?
don't be so sensitive you big racist nazi.
How DARE you. If I had a velvet glove to hand I would strike you hard on the cheek (either one) and demand satisfaction of a duel. As it is the internet and I do not own a velvet glove I shall instead retreat behind my keyboard and struggle with the dagger you have placed into my heart.
This same EDL guy is in a video saying he'll start a war if they want one and that they're "fair game". So yeah, his rhetoric at least is not far from physical violence. Too close for comfort.
Yeah it seemed that way but she is a Tory so who cares.
Well, I'd care if anyone got murdered by this mob, to be honest.
i for one look forward to a nice friendly chat with a thuggish hoard outside a polling booth if there is a second referendum...
im sure they will love my t-shirt
im sure they will love my t-shirt
They already have in Jo Cox but what happened yesterday was a bunch far right thugs shouted at a mp and a political commentator while they were guarded by police. It was interesting but that's about it.
I don't find it interesting. I'd hate it to happen to me. And if some rabid lunatic was shouting at me that I was "fair game", I'd be looking over my shoulder.
Yeah I would as well.
But Soubry is not only a MP but one that cuts welfare, cuts immigration rights, cuts worker rights. In fact it was her party that called the opposition leader a terrorist sympathiser and in the House of Commons called Momentum(a socialist faction inside the Labour Party)a group of fascists. Those comments yesterday being made to Owen Jones didn't have be formed from listening to Alex Jones or reading Breitbart but by picking up a national newspaper or just simply listening to the government. All of this by the way after a Labour MP was murder and a potential murder attempt on 2 more Labour MPs(Khan & Corbyn)
Now Soubry may just be a bit thick(Most liberal tories are)but how does she think politics is formed. There's good data to suggest the Tory cuts fuled anti EU feeling and may have actual helped Leave getting over the winning line.
So the shock she as well as other MP's had at yesterday none sense is just bizarre, if not more worrying as a lot of them don't seem to know the effects they have on people's lives.
You seriously think the behaviour of those people abusing Soubry is a result of austerity? Whatabout Faisal Islam being called “not British” and “rapist”? Or Kay Burley and Laura Kuenssberg being threatened? Although, with Kuensberg, that could be Jeremy’s hardcore fan base of course.
Only on a Saturday, though. A weirdly specific threat.
jesus feck this is the second time the remain campaign has used a slogan that was meant to show solidarity with the victims of a massacrei for one look forward to a nice friendly chat with a thuggish hoard outside a polling booth if there is a second referendum...
im sure they will love my t-shirt
Which - Charlie Hebdo? I thought it was a play on the Stalinist-era language used by Brexit-supporting newspapers and in French just to wind up little Englanders.
almost everyone in the uk will autocomplete to charlie hebdo hearing je suis
Those people ideas are empowered by austerity and by MPs like Soubry. Austerity played a role in leave winning the refendum, had austerity not happened then remain might have won and those idiots yesterday would'nt have been "protesting" outside Westminster.
What? You mean you do.
I certainly didn't. I just thought it was incredibly pretentious wank.
That's perhaps true to a certain extent but a lot of the ones who would've been launching abuse yesterday are just racists who feel emboldened by Brexit. Plenty of them would've been racists before austerity was implemented and plenty of them would've always been looking for excuses to blame immigrants for whatever they can.
Yeah I'm not saying as individuals were made into racists by austerity but their ideas have gained in popularity because of the actions took by the likes of Soubry - such as austerity and calling opposition terrorists and fascists.
I’d agree with you that the effects of austerity played a role in the Leave win. But ultimately it was the engineers of the Leave campaign which encouraged these type of scumbags (who have always been with us, just under different labels - NF, BNP, EDL...).
No deal has been dead as an option for a while now - this just puts the final nail in the coffin.
Not really. No deal happens by law if there's nothing by March 29.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
If that was the case then you either have May's deal or cancel Brexit.
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I really can’t see “no deal” happening - there is a large majority in parliament against it, and May, for all her many faults, would not actively choose that option nor wilfully allow it to happen by default. It’s either her deal or postpone/revoke and throw it back to the people.
Theoretically this time next week the HoC would have voted on her deal. If that is voted down as well - then all that is left is cancel Brexit. Now there could be a referendum - if that happened and the electorate voted to cancel Brexit , Brexit is cancelled but if they voted to leave yet again, no deal becomes almost a certainty. At some point in time one of those three options will be the outcome and no deal is still a real possibility.
Finance amendment was passed
Basically government can't spend money preparing for no deal unless there is a vote to approve no deal...
Basically government can't spend money preparing for no deal unless there is a vote to approve no deal...
I meant to say that I can’t see it happening by default on 29 March. You are right though that it would happen if Leave were to win again in a second referendum. If that did happen, then I’d have to conclude that the country would deserve everything that it gets but I am increasingly confident Remain would get high 50s/60 second time round.
One would expect it wouldn't happen by default on March 29 but most of parliament on both sides still seem to be living in a fantasy world and seem so detached from reality it would not surprise me at all.
Is there anything in this? Or is it just a conspiracy theory at the moment?
Well reading the thread is horrifying. One guy was a counter and observed ballot falsifying and when he reported it was told ‘not to worry’ by the returning officer.
where does the 1.1 million number come from?
tbh I'm surprised that that many even tried to vote by post
Grayling's a bit of a nut on the subject so take with ample salt.
Neither would I with only weeks to go, nothing decided and no deal the default option.
The biggest champions of austerity were leaders and financial 'experts' in the eu, so its no surprise the ref went the way it did. And all the anti gov demonstrations you see across europe today are a direct result of those measures.
A lot of the politicians still seem to think that if they vote down the deal next week another deal will suddenly appear from nowhere.
People have had a glimpse of what Brexit means and no-one seems to like it and that includes both Brexiters and Remainers.
No-one has got the guts to stop Brexit so imo no deal is just as likely as any other outcome. I'd still say it was clear favourite.