Expecting a few of these but there’s no chance it will be enough to swing it in her favour. The ones that will switch and vote for her deal will be doing so because they’re from deep Brexit territory and don’t want to upset their voters.
Brexited | the worst threads live the longest
- Thread starter Silva
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Expecting a few of these but there’s no chance it will be enough to swing it in her favour. The ones that will switch and vote for her deal will be doing so because they’re from deep Brexit territory and don’t want to upset their voters.
Bets on the vote margin?
I say May loses by 50
I say May loses by 50
A No Deal Brexit is literal insanity though. Leaving the EU meant changing various frameworks within which we operate now we won't be in the EU. Changing those frameworks inherently meant being able to reach an agreement with the EU in regards to things like the customs union, single market, Irish border, immigration etc. You need to have agreements in place for that sort of thing otherwise you lose what you currently have with literally nothing to replace it which causes disruption. This is basic, basic stuff.
To be fair some of those voting against it could spin it as saying they don't think the deal is extreme enough, but I get the impression No Deal is getting increasingly unpopular at this point and that even many who are for Brexit are tired of Brexiteers not having any plan of their own.
It's funny how the UK, Germany and France all conduct themselves as a reaction to major historic events taught in their schoolbooks.
Germany has become the 'nice guy' of Europe with it's pro-refugee stance a reaction to it's part in WW2.
France has been the scene of almost constant riots in an echo of the people power of the Revolution.
And the UK operates like it's the head of an Empire that can defeat all of Europe on its own.
More like 150 I think
That's an insult to the revolutionaries, we just have a minority of absolute feckwits.
No doubt.
But the lessons of the past are taught to the idiots just as much as they are taught to the reasonable.
My sweepstake is on 172.
Didn't it? The church within England was powerful and ridiculously wealthy. By the time Henry had finished he'd utterly broken that power, confiscated it's massive wealth and even razed lots of it's physical infrastructure to the ground. He then wasted the cash of course, but that's an irrelevance to the monasteries and abbeys, whose wealth and lands and power were never to return. A good thing too, for the long-term future of England. I accept Henry wasn't an existential threat to the pope and Rome, but losing England didn't exactly go down well, it must have cost them quite a bit. Don't know what you mean by 'trying to bully' either, he clearly won, as far as his battle with Rome went.
I can't recall who but one of those who have switched said on sky earlier that if May went back to the EU with a huge defeat the EU would have no reason to give her anything. Insinuating that a limited defeat was preferable.
They'll orchestrate a 50-100 loss i think.
I think about 100 conservative MPs will vote against it plus the 10 DUP and all the other parties.
Maybe 5 or so labour will vote for it plus 200 ish Tories.
Not sure about the other 17 odd tories. Could vote either way.
Worth watching on TV?
Brexiter: I'm voting against this deal because it's not what I want
Remainer: I'm voting against this deal because it's not what I want.
Country reunited.
Worth watching on TV?
Not yet. You could have a laugh at Corbyn.
Last edited:
Does sound like she's just going to bring it back again from what commentators are saying. Incredible if so.
Corbyn speech on now, nothing of substance yet really. Mainly calling for a GE and renegotiation
Corbyn speech on now, nothing of substance yet really. Mainly calling for a GE and renegotiation
It was certainly no threat to the Vatican or the RCC.
I don't think he won either. His aim was to leave a dynasty that will last centuries. Instead the Tudor dynasty with his children as a traumatised Elisabeth preferred taking her own dynasty to the grave then give power to a man. Tudor left an England that was divided, which was a pariah in Europe and was left vulnerable to a crusade which actually happened. He could have lost more if that's what you mean (England might have become Spanish)
Anyone else feel like we need a complete reset? New leaders across the board, a new GE and a new referendum.
Cheering May, fecking idiot Tories
"The public elected a conservate goverment"...erm no they didn't
Cheering May, fecking idiot Tories
"The public elected a conservate goverment"...erm no they didn't
Listening on the radio...
Basically must respect the first referendum
Reopen negotiation with the EU
If he can't force an election I don't think he will back a 2nd referendum but instead look for a Norway type deal instead
Same old, same old
Think he'll call a no confidence vote but the Tories will back her by the sound of it.
Doubt he'll get a GE.
The only sensible thing to do is cancel Brexit but Corbyn will never promote that.
Thought People's Vote were getting somewhere when Lucas talked about how remaining isn't an end and that they need to offer an alternative to the austerity status quo. Low and behold it lasted less than a week as Soubry is welcomed to the Parliament Square stage, yet again, with open arms.
What a shite campaign.
What a shite campaign.
Why the feck is Blackford removing his amendment. It's the one useful motion
Noooo. Yeeaaaaaaah. What an embarrassment.
In case it passes (same as Benn did)
How are they going to renegotiate a new withdrawal agreement? As I said all the amendments are pointless.
Lots of pro remain in Parliament square it seems.
Only thing interesting in these things is Bercow as always.
What do you mean how? By requesting the extension of A50 it was in his amendment text i believe.
They can't extend for renegotiation, only for GE or referendum. And the other 27 agreeing.
Not going to happen. EU27 won't agree an extension except for a referendum.
Some Tories think they might renegotiate the backstop and or other parts of the deal. I don't though. I think they'll watch us squirm till we eventually pull the plug.
Yeah, I only meant he won as in he resisted the demands of the Vatican, he made loads of mistakes in general. I thought the Elizabethan age is generally regarded as pretty successful for England really, she was just a bit shit at propagating. Would I have the monasteries back though, owning half of England and dictating the politics of the day? Hell no, but again, it's just a pity he wasted the cash the way he did. A little part of me is saying we might be getting a bit off topic as well - but you started it.
Of course they can, the point of allowing it for a GE is a shift in terms. If May tries to renegotiate on the same red lines then yes they'll refuse but if she reaches out on a cross party basis to come up with something that will command a majority (if possible) they'll extend. That's the main point of the discussed july extension.
The direction of travel is for a better deal for them.
24 for fecks sake.
Ayes 24 Noes 600. What a waste of time.
24
600 vs 24 on the amendment
What is going to be different in the withdrawal agreement that can be different? It's got to be something sensible, do you seriously see something sensible getting a majority acceptance in the HoC. No trade deals included btw.
600 vs 24 on the amendment
If they'd voted the opposite way it would have made no difference