It is his fault he spent years pandering to them though for electoral self-gain. If he'd valued the EU so much he probably shouldn't have spent years scapegoating it for his own government's failings.
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It is his fault he spent years pandering to them though for electoral self-gain. If he'd valued the EU so much he probably shouldn't have spent years scapegoating it for his own government's failings.
Holy feck!We are surely doomed. Why has the vote shifted so significantly this week?
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/
How reliable is that last poll there? Seems a bit of an outlier.
Rehman Chishti Conservative MP:
FFS, these people are so intellectually dishonest that they don't even notice when the say contradictory things within two sentences. How are these people the representatives of such a proud nation?
At least Donald is honest about liking hamburgers...
FFS, these people are so intellectually dishonest that they don't even notice when the say contradictory things within two sentences. How are these people the representatives of such a proud nation?
At least Donald is honest about liking hamburgers...
Don't see the connection but the serfs didn't vote in a referendum.
Thierry?
I don't know what any of your comment means.
I see plenty of connections.
- Both HT and the UK started hating the very things they previously acted as champions for. Henry was in favour of Catherine + the church. The UK were a big fan of FOM, the enlargement of the EU and the single market.
- they both expected the rules to become different for them then for the rest (divorce/end of FOM despite being part of the EU) out of pure selfish reasons.
- they both refused the EU/church the time needed to come out with a decent solution to their new issues
- they both left the group, thinking they will end up better when in reality they ended worse
- the one's suffering were the commoners
Regarding selfs, I do recall then Lord Rees Mogg has quite a huge fan base despite speaking gibberish most of the time
What I mean is that Henry VIII personally wanted a divorce for singularly personal reasons and the people had no say in the matter whatsoever and anyone who crossed Henry VIII was severely dealt with.
The similarity could be that May has a singular vision of Brexit and aims to enact it at any cost.
It's really not a conversation for another day. Its central to brexit. I've heard a lot of the older generation refer to the ignominy of moving from a colonial master to an EU state.
We need to discuss the impact of our illusions of grandeur in this country.
I honestly can't fathom even the remotest understanding of why anyone in this country feels a sense of pride in it. I mean i don't expect shame either i just don't get why anyone cares beyond historical interest.
I know, it's shit, it's been shit for at least about the last 20 years.
I think most have no idea of the histroy of the British Empire other than some empty culture signifiers.
Very true - even beyond disillusion I don't actually think a lot of the British public understand the effects of colonialism.
I am not saying that its 100% exact. All I said is that there are plenty of similarities between the two circumstances. Actually my argument was that this mentality of asking for different rules merely because they are English is older then the British empire.
The same reason the Turkish are proud of their Ottoman past or Russians of Tsarist and Soviet Russia. "My country was once a conqueror, that makes me and my people special". It's an easy instigator of nationalism. People aren't bothered about the details.
what is the point of this vote now? I see no upside for her other than the fact she can say she tried. I reckon she'll lose it and quit.
The size of the defeat will inevitably be smaller than what is speculated.
For a lot of Tories, as much as they hate the deal, the fear of no brexit is far bigger.
For a lot of Tories, as much as they hate the deal, the fear of no brexit is far bigger.
Great articles, thanks for sharing
There's hardly anyone left in the HoC chamber for the debate - can sense the importance of the moment.
This is an excellent - but depressing - read. Basically, the Maybot and her party are getting off far too lightly with this idea that they have always been stuck between a rock and a hard place.
There's nothing left to debate until the vote. Wasted a month essentially
Yeah spot on. Basically "you're out of your element Donny."
Sick of hearing that she's done the best she could with the mess that Cameron left behind. She's done nothing of the sort.
I think everything she has done has simply been to hold onto power. I did enjoy her surviving the coup from the ERG though.
That’s all any of them care about. From across the political spectrum. The future welfare of the country is just a side show, so long as whatever happens improves their chance of being in power. It’s fecking infuriating.
Can the Brexit process be stopped and restarted again?
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The Attorney General and Conservative MP Ken Clarke have disagreed about whether Article 50 (the process which started the UK's two-year departure from the UK) could be cancelled - in order to give MPs more time to reach a consensus - and restarted later.
Geoffrey Cox told Mr Clarke that Article 50 could not be revoked unless "satisfactory evidence" was given to the EU to show the UK was ending the Brexit process altogether, rather than just pausing it.
So is Geoffrey Cox right?
It's true that the European Court of Justice (ECJ) has granted the UK the power to independently stop the Brexit process. But its ruling also says that "revocation brings the withdrawal procedure to an end".
So if the UK tried to revoke Article 50 just to buy more time, the EU could argue such a move does not comply with the ECJ's ruling.
But if the EU rejected a revocation request on that basis it's unclear how it would enforce it, according to Joe Owen from the Institute for Government.
Article share tools
so its either an agreed extension (needs all 27 to agree) or complete revoking
limited options - I honestly could see may just chucking in the towel tomorrow and telling johnoson or mogg to crack on with PMQ's
To be fair, Henry wasn’t the only ruler in those days to cajole or threaten the pope into interpreting canon laws imaginatively. His mistake (similar to Brexiteers) was a failure to understand the aims and interests of the other side, given Catherine was the aunt of the most powerful man in Europe, Charles V, who was quite prepared to send an army across the Alps to smash up Rome when a pope got on the wrong side of him.
No way she wins the VoNC, making her immune for a year, only to resign a month later.
Good read, agree that she's basically exacerbated the situation. What it needed was a cool head who could look to compromise, instead we got a rent-a-money whore who just flips and flops which ever way extends her reign in power.
I think to leave office she'll have to be dragged kicking and screaming out of No.10 yelling " Brexit means Brexit, Strong and Stable!"
Oh come on that's just a lazy stereotype............oh
https://mobile.twitter.com/damiengayle/status/1085191438889971712
I think henry committed many many mistakes including
A- marrying an older woman out of pure status
B- boasting about his first night which made him look silly when he tried to argue that the marriage was not consumated
C- Giving in to Anne Boleyn which in reality was the main issue (i explain later)
D- Trying to bully the church which was silly considering the church had nothing to fear from tudor
Ultimately the situation could have been resolved with patience. Henry could have kept Cat as queen, he could marry mary off to a minor lord who wouldn't try to aim for the big price himself and he could have a horde of bastards which the church would likely legitimatise just to keep England catholic
Instead he opted for the my way or the high way policy which lead to untold misery to England and his dynasty
True!
Thank feck the populace seem to consistently do the right thing in referenda.
When we voted there was only one question and only two answers.
Stay. Or. Leave.
There was nothing to suggest leaving with a deal of any any description it was simply leave. These politicians have once again had us over. So much for democracy. A no deal leave would as May said be better than a bad deal and this so called deal is rotten to the core.
Good article that. Brexit was always going to be tricky but I think she went about this in the wrong way from the outset that has tangled us into a position that will will be difficult to get out of.
I don’t like those adverts he does for Renault during the football. That one where has his arm around the girls shoulders and says “some journeys are harder than others” with the girl looking all worried. Creepy, very creepy.