Corbyn is a huge fecking let down
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It quite a spectacle, when you think about it. Watching a lifelong Brexiter - Corbyn - calling for guarantees that we will remain in the single market, which I am reasonably sure in his heart of hearts he would be perfectly happy to see us leave - from a PM who campaigned for Remain.
If you had asked the two of them before Corbyn became Labour leader to give their views on the Customs Union I am positive May would have said more positive things. Corbyn is only pretending to give a shit about the CU as an olive branch to the remain supporting members who put him in power.
I dont think its even that, though that is a factor. Mainly, he wants Brexit every bit as much as JRM, and is just as terrified about the people getting a chance to kill it.
It’s off the plate?
Sir Vince Cable, the Lib Dem leader, has confirmed that his party will not back Labour in future no confidence motions until Labour backs a second referendum. He said:
Since he appears to be determined to play party political games rather than acting on the wishes of his own members and MPs, he will no longer be able to rely on our support for further no-confidence motions.
I believe other parties are taking the same view. It’s time Mr Corbyn got off the fence and made his position plain.
Corbyn's cunning plan yet again proved to be not very bright.
Since he appears to be determined to play party political games rather than acting on the wishes of his own members and MPs, he will no longer be able to rely on our support for further no-confidence motions.
I believe other parties are taking the same view. It’s time Mr Corbyn got off the fence and made his position plain.
Corbyn's cunning plan yet again proved to be not very bright.
He is, if you believe that he gives a shit. But if you look at his history he’s a huge eurosceptic so it’s quite clear he’s not going to bother his arse to do anything to try and reverse this shambles
Have you seen the James O'Brien vs Jacob Rees Mogg debate?
I think James was great in it, not quite as he was against Farage but he was still able to expose JRM for the fraud he is
I think James was great in it, not quite as he was against Farage but he was still able to expose JRM for the fraud he is
They should have a huge digital countdown clock in parliament and HOC - counting down until they’ve gone out on 31 March. Maybe it’ll wake some of them up. Make it have the countdown sound when it’s down to the last day
For not coming straight out for a referendum presumably?
I'm not sure those expecting him to do as such have really thought this through. Same as when loads of you demanded he did a VONC before Mays deal was even voted on, yeah that would have gone well wouldn't it.
I want this and he's not doing what i want is what I'm mainly hearing. If he'd come out before Mays vote for a referendum as some suggested Mays deal would probably have passed.
In my opinion it would be naive in the extreme to suppose that there was no colusion to paint the worst possible picture of the effects of leaving the EU by both the government, business and financial institutions.
In that case it IS lying. Premeditated colusion is lying.
Remember the Iraq war dodgy dossier?
Now. Do you really trust government to tell you the truth?
I think thats already been tabled under Boles name and there's also an SNP amendment for a referendum. Not sure if its still only one amendment allowed as you previously said though?
By this do you mean the divorce bill? But the weekly payments would stop wouldn't they?
And freedom of movement would end under her deal?
They have already had two leadership challenges so what is to say a third world be any different. He (unfortunately) has too much grass roots support so don't hold your breath.
Collusion? Who did the remain campaign collude with?
You still haven't provided a single lie. Strange considering there were too many to list.
I thought about this. He has changed the dynamic by increasing the membership at £3 a pop and setting the rules in favour of the membership & unions over the PLP. In a way he is bullet-proof unless he stands down. Any challenge such as the one May faced from her party in terms of no confidence will be crushed. This is Politburo stuff of the 20th century.
There are good Labour MP's that would be able to mount serious opposition to the government but they will never get the opportunity. I think that the Labour party has now been consigned to never be in power because, as popular as it might well be in some quarters, it's current philosophy is an anathema to the majority of people in this country. By now the Labour party should be out of sight in the polls. But they are behind in many of them. Against what ffs? The weakest Tory party in history with splits all over the place. However, even JRM would back Theresa May, even if she stood on her head farted the European anthem, rather than vote against her in a commons no confidence motion.
This is not good for British politics and the Labour moderates should seriously think about splitting away.
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The so-called divorce bill includes what the UK owes plus the transition period. If the transition period is extended then they'll pay more. If the UK leave with no deal the fee for the transition period would not be paid.
Whilst the Uk enjoy the benefits of the SM they still comply with SM rules.
UGH.
So the answer is, no, you cannot give any specific examples then?
Read those aspersions back to yourself, then have a word with yourself.
OK. You are quite right. There were no lies told by the Remain side at all.
Strange but I must have completely missed the Emergency Brexit Budget full of massive tax rises.
That was stated by G Osborne who like his mate Cameron
fxxxed off when the going got tough.
That was not a prediction. He said it would happen.
True but you would think he would try to mitigate this disaster
Here you have your answer:
And there is free movement of Union citizens at all land borders(Gibraltar and Ireland).
Wrong. I can give plenty but why bother when people are not prepared to think for themselves.
All this does is to illustrate how Brexit has divided our country. That was one reason why I voted to remain.
I got to ten minutes and gave up. JRM is a complete fraud, either he has no idea what he's talking about or lies about everything, probably both. O'Brien should have insisted about the £39bn which he himself got wrong.
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You're being awfully vague...
Do your have any like for like examples of outright lies or not?
Translation: you can't.
Next thing you'll say: "I can't be bothered go research it yourself".
That is a prediction which I brought up - a factual lie we need.
Isn't that one linked to "no deal" and about post brexit, which has not happened yet?
It’s clear he doesn’t give a shit
Agreed. Regardless if his heart isn’t in it - I couldn’t give a flying deck about his own personal opinions - he should focus on taking this Tory government down and IMO forcing the referendum issue and taking the remain votes is the key to doing it.
The Labour moderates tried that once in 1981. I actually thought a Social Democratic Party was a good idea. A better option than Michael Foot in any case god bless him.
Yes Labour have dropped a big hairy bollock by leaving the centre ground imo. All downhill since David Miliband didn’t get the gig.
All Corbyn has done is mobilise the Student vote. Mind you, he did say nice things about student finance didn’t he?
Don’t want to be overly dismissive about the student vote because it’s an achievement in itself to engage young people in politics, but if you lived the 1970s, you know why a hard left government (or one at the mercy of the unions) ain’t a good thing.
I like that they all keep coming out with the same phrasing of "listening mode", it's as if they've gone into her office and come out mindcontrolled. Have some pride ffs
Correct. Labour are doing exactly what they said they would do from the very beginning and a process needs to be followed before calling a second referendum. You cannot betray a large portion of the people who voted for you without exploring every other avenue first. It's not a simple as being a Lib Dem, though they probably recall how well reversing their manifesto pledges went...
I can't see what the Remain side had to lie about.
It's what we have now, it's really not so bad.
Why change something that isn't particularly broken and look to change the way things are done to everyone's benefit.
It's what we have now, it's really not so bad.
Why change something that isn't particularly broken and look to change the way things are done to everyone's benefit.
That's exactly my view aswell
Thought this for a while now.
If all options should be on the table then he can't ask for 'No Deal' to be taken off. Otherwise why not take the other extreme off i.e to pull A50 and Remain. Nobody wants no deal except the headbangers. But is is the default legal position if a deal is not reached.
This is a straightforward question with I imagine a very complex answer, but in lay terms, how can they justify a second referendum? Would the European Union even recognize it? I imagine that more than half of the 51% who voted out probably still want out, so is it just a case of putting them in the corner or what?
If Labour push the second referendum they will be wiped off the electoral map.
Yes the majority of their party supports it, but the damage within each constituency would be catastrophic - especially long term when the same frustrations arise in a few years.
Yes the majority of their party supports it, but the damage within each constituency would be catastrophic - especially long term when the same frustrations arise in a few years.
No referendum is legally binding. The EU don’t care about the result of either – They want the UK to remain regardless.
I would have more respect for a politician calling to disregard the referendum altogether and accept that Brexit is a shambles. Just revoke article 50. The second referendum is just insulting to everyone involved. It’s an ultimatum.