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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


  • Total voters
    194
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Would be almost as good as 'I'm voting to leave the EU because of the principal of parliamentary sovereignty, BUT HOW DARE PARLIAMENT GET A VOTE ON THIS'.

Yeah I was thinking of that. Supporting parliamentary sovereignty until they realise parliamentary sovereignty isn't going their own way.
 
The only way the £ will be close or stronger than the € is if Brexit starts a chain of events which weaken the EU. Get ready for the big boys to start pulling out of London.
The EU is weak, no chain of events need to happen. Look at the economic performance of the EU over the past 10 years. If a chain of events follow on from and in the of vein Brexit the EU will be finished completely within 5-10 years.

I would bet you now that the pound won't become worth less than the Euro and UK won't even enter recession in the next 5 years, unless a recession on a global scale occurred.
I agree with CM. Brexiters talk about how the pound was overvalued pre brexit (to negate the responsibility of the weakening).

But without German exports, would the Euro drop even 50%?

https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/61vd4z/each_countrys_top_import_partner1280x1024/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/61u0wz/each_countries_top_export_partner1904x1520/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_Germany
 


"Lexit" folk are weirder than their rightwing equivalents.
 
Do we get an independence day bank holiday? Do it, do it
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This isn't going to end well for anyone is it? You know the lunatics have taken total control of the asylum when the voice of Ed bacon-face Miliband echos in your head. Should never have had this referendum.
 
So May has issued a list of principles in her letter, the first of which is:
Theresa May said:
We should engage with one another constructively and respectfully, in a spirit of sincere cooperation.
I guess that's why she choose this man to represent her:


Does she really think the rest of Europe is as easy to bullshit as the telegraph, mail and sun readership?
 
Amazing that the smoking ban is now completely accepted on all sides.
 

I assume 'White dog shit' came in at no.8.


To be fair, we don't know the age demographics, ethnicities or location of the people who were polled, or the questions that they were asked, to lead to these results.

I'm sure there may be people who hold some of those views, but the entire poll smells like it was set up to achieve those exact results. Moreover 53% of 880 people, is around 450 or so. It is fairly disingenuous to take the opinions of 450 people and exclaim that leave voters as a monolith want to bring back the death penalty.

This isn't directed at you mate, I'm just slightly annoyed at seeing that poll everywhere.
 
To be fair, we don't know the age demographics, ethnicities or location of the people who were polled, or the questions that they were asked, to lead to these results.

I'm sure there may be people who hold some of those views, but the entire poll smells like it was set up to achieve those exact results. Moreover 53% of 880 people, is around 450 or so. It is fairly disingenuous to take the opinions of 450 people and exclaim that leave voters as a monolith want to bring back the death penalty.

This isn't directed at you mate, I'm just slightly annoyed at seeing that poll everywhere.
That's how polling works. Ask a small, representative amount of people to gauge within a small margin of error, what they think. Yougov is a reputable pollster because like other reputable pollsters their results tend to be within the margin of error.
 
take anything with a yougov brand with a pinch of salt, and I mean anything.

I saw one of their 'surveys' once, the introduction was leading, and so were the questions themselves. Polls today are intended to shape public opinion, not reflect it. That is why every major polling company operating in the UK has an ex politician somewhere on the board. Yougov was founded by one.
 
take anything with a yougov brand with a pinch of salt, and I mean anything.

I saw one of their 'surveys' once, the introduction was leading, and so were the questions themselves. Polls today are intended to shape public opinion, not reflect it. That is why every major polling company operating in the UK has an ex politician somewhere on the board. Yougov was founded by one.
No they aren't, the only people who read polls are effectively nerds who are well set in their opinions. If anyone is ploughing millions into polling, of all things, to shape public opinion then they're idiots, and I have a few ideas for them. That's why political campaigns spend more on polls then the public organisations do, to get more precise data.

Flawed polls and absurd questions are abundant, but that doesn't change much.
 
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take anything with a yougov brand with a pinch of salt, and I mean anything.

I saw one of their 'surveys' once, the introduction was leading, and so were the questions themselves. Polls today are intended to shape public opinion, not reflect it. That is why every major polling company operating in the UK has an ex politician somewhere on the board. Yougov was founded by one.
Not one bit. Yougov is a private (probably for profit) org that does this professionally. There client requesting the poll may have had a dodgy intent on the questions that you mention.

If anyone is ploughing millions into polling, of all things, to shape public opinion then they're idiots, and I have a few ideas for them. That's why political campaigns spend more on polls then the public organisations do, to get more precise data.

Flawed polls and absurd questions are abundant, but that doesn't change much.
They are not any better or worse that rest of polling orgs. They dont cost millions. The costs are in low thousands for most polls.
 
I meant overall budgets/repeat costumers. I'd be willing to bet the bigger clients have run up tabs in the million over the years.
Yes. Sorry dint understand your comment.

Although that would be one hell of a gestapo if someone were running 1000's of loaded surveys.
 
I meant overall budgets/repeat costumers. I'd be willing to bet the bigger clients have run up tabs in the million over the years.

When he was president Sarkozy spent 9.4m€ in polling.
 
That's how polling works. Ask a small, representative amount of people to gauge within a small margin of error, what they think. Yougov is a reputable pollster because like other reputable pollsters their results tend to be within the margin of error.
My own personal dealings with YouGov polls don't lead me to have much faith in them. I took part in one about two weeks ago. They got my name, age and place of residence right. Almost evrything else was dire, along the lines of :

Would you prefer your team to lose the cup final ;

0-2 ?
1-3 ?
3-5 ?

Most of the questions were unanswerable because they didn't include anything remotely close to my situation, yet I couldn't move on without putting an answer.
 
If you're missing 'Brexit - What Next?' on BBC1 you're missing a masterclass in dodging some of the softest questions you could think of asking the appeaser.

She has nothing. Absolutely fecking nothing.
 
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If you're missing 'Brexit - What Next?' on BBC1 you're missing a masterclass in dodging some of the softest questions you could think of asking the appeaser.

She has nothing. Absolutely fecking nothing.
'That's another thing we'll be negotiating'.

I think Andrew Neil has been ok tbf- 'this is the third time I'm asking'.
 
So what sort of terms will we be negotiating, I'm not big into politics but since i'm from England it directly applies to me. Trade perks for free movement seems like the obvious one, any others? Would love to get clued in by some of our Caf's politicians!
 
So what sort of terms will we be negotiating, I'm not big into politics but since i'm from England it directly applies to me. Trade perks for free movement seems like the obvious one, any others? Would love to get clued in by some of our Caf's politicians!
No trade perks, no freed of movement more likely.
 
So what sort of terms will we be negotiating, I'm not big into politics but since i'm from England it directly applies to me. Trade perks for free movement seems like the obvious one, any others? Would love to get clued in by some of our Caf's politicians!

As much as I'd love to help clue you in, I'm no better off and still stuck on Brexit meaning Brexit.