You do realize that almost everything is imported, from raw materials to washing liquids, and not just cars?
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You do realize that almost everything is imported, from raw materials to washing liquids, and not just cars?
War with Spain.
Mental.
Wonder what the protocol is for 2 nato members going to war?... Presumably America slaps our bums and tells us to grow up (though given who their president is who knows?)
War with Spain.
Mental.
All we need now is some other Brexit nutter to threaten someone with a plague of locusts and Stan's life will be complete
It seems to be a common beleif that some people were actaully pining for war in 1914, to show their mettle etc ( see Rupert Brooke and co ). I wonder how many of those public schoolboys went over the top reciting Homer to themselves and imagining themselves as Achilles or Ulysses?War with Spain.
Mental.
Most of our male leaders now went to the same public schools, just a thought.
War with Spain.
Mental.
Just involve the US in it and then brag that the uk won yet another world war in europe. Simples
After mentioning the willingness to go to war with Spain, can't they just have a good old game of Chicken Limbo if they're so intent on showing how low they can go.
Suez re-visited, I guess.
We will be offering Catalonia a free trade deal and Barca a place in the premier league by next week at this rate
I am surprised that UK is surprised.It was obvious that Spain wouldn't put the things so easy.
On the other hand El Campo de Gibraltar (the region) has kept a very good relationship with the colony,allowing many things out of the treaty.
Picardo has been always very arrogant.
That statement sounds very "russian" when talking about Eastern Ukraine or Abjazia.
A question,what change for you if you want to visit Spain on holidays after Brexit?
It implies more burocracy?
On the other hand El Campo de Gibraltar (the region) has kept a very good relationship with the colony,allowing many things out of the treaty.
Picardo has been always very arrogant.
That statement sounds very "russian" when talking about Eastern Ukraine or Abjazia.
A question,what change for you if you want to visit Spain on holidays after Brexit?
It implies more burocracy?
He doesn't. He also thinks there are no tarriffs on other cars but European ones should Britain leave the EU, which is not true. There are already tarriffs on cars imported to the EU save for those protected by free trade deals, which wouldn't apply to GB if it leaves the EU. So basically, there would be tarriffs on every car not built in Britain, not only German ones. Which makes pretty much all of them except a few Jaguars. Oh, and Vauxhalls. Cars nobody wants, owned by the French.
1. Mega-farms have already driven small farmers out of business on countless occasions. The US is a really good case study for this. As for everyone benefiting from low cost food, that's simply not true. Farmers don't benefit, low costs and a powerful retail sector push their profit margins lower and lower, until they're either forced to operate at virtually no profit or accept lower standards to ensure they can sell, or begin to operate on a huge scale where they can lower their operating costs and have the clout to stand up to the huge retailers. Low cost food is great in some ways of course, but its by no means a victimless enterprise. Especially as low cost food also usually depends on huge amounts of cheap food being imported, killing diversity of local production.
2. Well it happens in basically any other industry where large firms appear which is why we usually have strict regulations to prevent monopolization (not that you'd knw it looking at the British media ownership, but hey..).
3. Sure, but that argument can basically be extended to 'It doesn't matter is local communities get screwed by whatever change, because things always change anyway'. At some point parts of society needs protecting, because business really doesn't give a single toss about it.
4. America use subsidies as basically bribes to their big corporations, they do it with the oil companies as well. That's a very long way from subsidies to small farmers and producers that allow agriculture to continue to be a diverse and productive enterprise. Subsidies don't have to be to huge companies to help them keep prices down, you can use them for all sorts of outcomes depending on how they are levied.
I like your thinking, they don't call you Sun Tzu for nothing I guess.
Ah...
But not everything is imported from the EU.
Plenty of raw materials and food will actually go down in price without EU tariffs - steel from China and Korea, for instance.
How about lamb from Australia and New Zealand or wheat and beef from the USA. Or textiles from India.
Although I agree it's going to be difficult having to trade in a BMW for a Dacia.
Talking of which, how could I have forgotten Minis to add to my list of stuff that the UK depends on Germany for.
Boy....You guys are not really, really fecked without Germany....You're really, really, really fecked without Germany.
Didn't the EU help us against Argentina?
And there was me thinking that those huge factories in Sunderland, Derby and Swindon made Nissans, Toyotas and Hondas.
Germans, huh ? Where would the world be without them.
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For holidays not much, maybe a longer queue at passport control. More problems would come with work/residence permits, access to health care and so on.
Don't know why you are obsessed with Germany but anyway, those factories you mention are not British and could quite easily move somewhere else where their market would be free of tariffs especially the parts they need to import in order to make them
Ah thanks,that's good.A pity for the residents,there are thousand of them in a limbo
I bet the Spanish foreign minister has held "talks" with his counterpart from Argentina already, just in case. A little war comes in very handy for a beleaguered government, if you win it anyway. As we won't be in the EU if it happens, we won't be able to count on their support, only their assisstance with negotiations.
MINI, Honda, Toyota, Nissan and Vauxhall are all built in the U.K. Nissan and Vauxhall have cars in the top 10 best sellers too.
Funny you mention those, did you know that especially Toyota has quite complicated production chains, producing their car parts all over the world?
Have you ever thought about the fact that suddenly, companies like Toyota would have to pay double tarriffs, once when they import parts for the assembly in GB and the second time when they export cars to the EU? Pretty bad for them.
You likely haven't thought about that.
Well you should. Those companies are the first to leave or to invest elsewhere, as everyone else will be happy to have them and the UK market is way to insignificant to warrant own production plants in the long run.
Forgot about Nissan, which is pretty much the only one producing in sufficient numbers and variety in the UK. I still don't think that suddenly every Brit will be driving a Nissan. As I also laid out, I'm pretty sure foreign car manufacturers are the first to cut post Brexit investment to the UK as honestly, GB doesn't make much sense as a production site without enjoying the single market benefits.
And yes of course my statement included a bit of hyperbole and sarcasm. But the fact that GB produces 1.2 millian cars less then are sold every year in Britain still stands. This is a front where the country can only lose, whatever happens.
We're not going to actually go to war with Spain, but the very fact this is being suggested is beyond fecking mental.
Yes, I realise that.
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Not specifically against Germany, but now you mention it.
Because the EU and the Eurozone is run by Germany - not always for Germany's benefit of course, but frequently so. And unlike you guys, I'll still be in the EU when the UK isn't.
Biggest country by population, biggest exporter, biggest contributor, most successful economy. Why shouldn't it be, of course.
But a very simple example of how Germany treats its neighbours -
VW offered to pay $14.7 billion to USA VW owners after the emissions fraud...The number is likely to be closer to $20 billion when the US courts finally sign off on it.
VW is arguing that similar compensations for EU residents who bought VWs aren't necessary. And the EU isn't exactly fighting against them.
Not specifically against Germany, but now you mention it.
Because the EU and the Eurozone is run by Germany - not always for Germany's benefit of course, but frequently so. And unlike you guys, I'll still be in the EU when the UK isn't.
Biggest country by population, biggest exporter, biggest contributor, most successful economy. Why shouldn't it be, of course.
But a very simple example of how Germany treats its neighbours -
VW offered to pay $14.7 billion to USA VW owners after the emissions fraud...The number is likely to be closer to $20 billion when the US courts finally sign off on it.
VW is arguing that similar compensations for EU residents who bought VWs aren't necessary. And the EU isn't exactly fighting against them.
Actually jaguar landrover have been the top producers for the last two years
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...car-production-reached-17-year-high-2016.html
Nissan and Vauxhall have committed to staying post Brexit. If they offer cars at better price points than non domestic manufacturers then sure. The Nissan Quasqai has become one of the bestselling cars in the U.K. even in the face of single market competition. Consumers will adapt to what makes financial sense naturally. I don't think UK car buyers have the strength of preference that you think. People driving high powered German cars are more likely to be Brexit proof anyway and who really cares if top bracket earners have to pay more for their German motors, except for them of course.
Shhh....Don't tell the Germans !
And of ALL the cars manufactured in the UK, more are exported outside the EU than into the EU.
I've yet to understand this BS about war tbh. Spain said that any deal with the UK need to take in consideration Gibraltar else it will veto the deal. As an EU member its within Spain's rights to do so. No one had said that the rock is going to be invaded.
Can't the British-US stop ruining the world?
Can't the British-US stop ruining the world?
And a lot of the parts for them are imported FROM the EU. It's also still something like 40% to the EU, which is still huge. Why are people trying to pretend to themselves that Brexit isn't actually bad when it comes to this stuff? Just blindly hoping for the best or what?
No, you're not fecked without Germany but you do a lot of trade with Germany. And you will soon be an illusion lighter if you believe we can import cheaper after Brexit than we currently do. I'm afraid you're living in a fantasy.
It's not me who mentioned it but in case you hadn't noticed I live in France and will be in the EU, I should also be a French citizen soon.
Germany have the biggest say because they have the biggest population but only marginally ahead of France and the UK, they do not have an unelected dictator as head of government and not an unelected House of Lords either .
From your previous posts I take it you want to stay in France and not return to the UK even if the UK will be the utopia outside the grasp of those nasty Europeans.
Everyone who doesn’t work for companies that compete with big farms gain from this considering that almost 100% of the population consume these goods. So it is true, that not everybody gains from this competition, but almost everybody. Just like everywhere else. When your business can’t compete, you lose. That happens all the time to countless individuals.
There are other sectors of the market, where local farmers have a real shot at competing (e.g. sectors that care particularly about locality/higher standards for animals), but the reality is that most of us care about the price of our food most of the time (considering a certain minimum health/safety standard that is provided). That’s clearly in demand and that what is getting delivered. Corporations, that scale well, have an advantage in this sector. Scaling from SME to large corporations is usually what creates the biggest productivity gains. Great. The idea that the government should keep small farms alive despite their goods not being in demand makes no sense
That has absolutely nothing to do with monopolies. If you stick to this argument, I’d like you to point me in the direction of any credible source that makes this argument. Yes we have some rules to prevent monopolies, but there is no evidence at all, that markets automatically create monopolies and that has nothing to do with subsidies anyway.
My argument does not extend to “to it doesn’t matter that local communities get screwed”. My argument in this regard is, that helping selected local communities is coming hand-in-hand with a hefty price tag. Everyone has to pay for it, while very few people actually benefit. The idea that this is some kind of moral imperative, when it reality just very few selective communities (down to the ability of politicians to control pork) get this kind of help, while the majority of people have to deal with this change without the government funding unprofitable local projects.
If you want better help for people, who have to adapt to economic change, create systems that help all people who suffer from this fate and not just a few lucky ones.
So these subsidies are neither moral nor create value. They are just subsidies that are paid, because very powerful lobby groups in Germany and France get their way. The farmer-lobby is one of the strongest lobbies in Germany and France. Just because these lobby groups represent “small farmer” (any evidence, that these subsidies actually go primarily to SMEs in Europe?), doesn’t make it any less wrong.
There are other sectors of the market, where local farmers have a real shot at competing (e.g. sectors that care particularly about locality/higher standards for animals), but the reality is that most of us care about the price of our food most of the time (considering a certain minimum health/safety standard that is provided). That’s clearly in demand and that what is getting delivered. Corporations, that scale well, have an advantage in this sector. Scaling from SME to large corporations is usually what creates the biggest productivity gains. Great. The idea that the government should keep small farms alive despite their goods not being in demand makes no sense
That has absolutely nothing to do with monopolies. If you stick to this argument, I’d like you to point me in the direction of any credible source that makes this argument. Yes we have some rules to prevent monopolies, but there is no evidence at all, that markets automatically create monopolies and that has nothing to do with subsidies anyway.
My argument does not extend to “to it doesn’t matter that local communities get screwed”. My argument in this regard is, that helping selected local communities is coming hand-in-hand with a hefty price tag. Everyone has to pay for it, while very few people actually benefit. The idea that this is some kind of moral imperative, when it reality just very few selective communities (down to the ability of politicians to control pork) get this kind of help, while the majority of people have to deal with this change without the government funding unprofitable local projects.
If you want better help for people, who have to adapt to economic change, create systems that help all people who suffer from this fate and not just a few lucky ones.
So these subsidies are neither moral nor create value. They are just subsidies that are paid, because very powerful lobby groups in Germany and France get their way. The farmer-lobby is one of the strongest lobbies in Germany and France. Just because these lobby groups represent “small farmer” (any evidence, that these subsidies actually go primarily to SMEs in Europe?), doesn’t make it any less wrong.
Sorry, had to dash out. I suppose those comment in the interview didn't just happen to be said by chance, that May had asked him to bring it up or he himself had cleared it with May, warning shots as it were. The head of diplomacy for the UK is Boris Johnson, enough said. But we shouldn't underestimate various things :
1 - How important Gibraltar is to this present Spanish government, it would be like the Germans possessing the Isle of Wight and having a fleet plus the occasional nuclear sub there, and how strategically vital it is to the UK.
2 - Contrary to the hubristic and arrogant belief of people like Lamont, Johnson, Davis ( ex-territorial SAS ) our having abandoned the EU means our interests are less important than theirs and in fact we can be seen as part of a menu. There are many dangers at the moment and this constant state of flux could get more unnerving as crises develop in and around the south, east and west of Europe.
3 - Just how seriously the EU top brass see our leaving. Juncker tried to explain it by saying when you sit in the pub for a few hours drinking with your pals, you pay your share on leaving. He could have used the separate peace treaty signed by the Soviets in 1918 ( Brest-Litovsk ) to make his point, which would have been clearer but more aggressive.
4 - How quickly allies or friends can turn against you, even to their own detriment.
It will be interesting to see how Spain responds.
The nurses in Portugal are Brazilian
I accept currencies go up and down yes, like when the pound was 1.05 dollars. It came back up. So feckin what?
If Rajoy takes the first bullet for spain I'll be happy
Southern countries are way more corrupt than the northern countries and avoiding paying taxes are normal and expected. Portugal for example was a rich country in the 1500's until our king married a dirty bitch from Spain and she would married him only if we persecuted the Jews...and the money walk away from Portugal and settled in Netherlands and other countries.
The British right are properly off their rocker
Sadly it has popular appeal
Sadly it has popular appeal
Uhm...as we were talking about non-domestic car makers, what's the point of Jaguar, a company I have previously mentioned?
Oh, they won't leave of course. Doesn't make much sense, moving a factory is pretty expensive once it's already there. They just won't expand and may cut lines from existing plants in the future as well. And not sure why everybody brings up German cars, I never mentioned them. I just said that EVERY car from the continent will get more expensive. And that pretty much means that 70% (roughly the import margin in your car market) of cars sold in Britain currently will get more expensive, that doesn't only include German cars really. On the contrary. As Asian trade agreements will need to be renegotiated as well after GB leaves, that includes Asian and American cars as well.
Still the EU is the most important market. And the production chains are interconnected with the continent, harming the competetiveness of those cars sold outside of the EU as production costs go up.
You really seem to think that assembling a car in Britain means all the parts are manufactured there as well, don't you? Absolutely not.
Vauxhall is a prime example here, Ellesmere port is purely an assembly plant, importing nearly all of the parts from outside the UK.
It is, because of that, probably the most endagered car plant in Britain, as PSA will restructure anyway.