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I'd add Spain in there too. I reckon England comfortably has the most squalid, shithole towns in the G7. I thought it was a predominantly northern thing until I moved to London and visited the likes of Northampton, Swindon and Croydon. It's nationwide.

That's rubbish. Go on a tour of American ghettos and trailer parks and say that. America has the worst poverty rates of the G7 nations. Spain, Italy and Portugal might look nicer because its sunny but their poverty rates are comfortably higher as well. Even Canada has higher poverty rates than the U.K.
 
I'd add Spain in there too. I reckon England comfortably has the most squalid, shithole towns in the G7. I thought it was a predominantly northern thing until I moved to London and visited the likes of Northampton, Swindon and Croydon. It's nationwide.
You should visit the US.
 
That's rubbish. Go on a tour of American ghettos and trailer parks and say that. America has the worst poverty rates of the G7 nations. Spain, Italy and Portugal might look nicer because its sunny but their poverty rates are comfortably higher as well. Even Canada has higher poverty rates than the U.K.
I dunno the hard stats on poverty, maybe going more on aesthetics.
 
I was shocked by the tent cities under overpasses in SanFran tbh. In Paris now and the number of Syrian families sleeping on the streets with young kids is depressing too.
San Fran is the wealthiest city in the US, too!

Driving through L.A.. now that's something. Gives a good indication of how great the States is if you've money and how awful it is if you don't.
 
San Fran is the wealthiest city in the US, too!

Driving through L.A.. now that's something. Gives a good indication of how great the States is if you've money and how awful it is if you don't.
I went to SF on a business trip last March or April. Their homeless are very different too- crazy methheads as opposed to our mainly drunks. Didn't see that in Miami- just pensioners with taut faces and perkier tits than most 18 year olds...but with hands like a gnarled witch.
 
I went to SF on a business trip last March or April. Their homeless are very different too- crazy methheads as opposed to our mainly drunks. Didn't see that in Miami- just pensioners with taut faces and perkier tits than most 18 year olds...but with hands like a gnarled witch.
Well you have to remember that most of the homeless population in SF go there from less wealthy states and cities. It's why there are so many and it's such a problem. Although property prices there are insane. I thought Dublin and London were bad until I went there with work and heard what people were paying.

The Bay Area though, beautiful, I do think there isn't a better place to live on earth if you have the money for it.
 
Well you have to remember that most of the homeless population in SF go there from less wealthy states and cities. It's why there are so many and it's such a problem. Although property prices there are insane. I thought Dublin and London were bad until I went there with work and heard what people were paying.

The Bay Area though, beautiful, I do think there isn't a better place to live on earth if you have the money for it.
Agree, we flew out on Saturday and had Sunday in Napa Valley drinking wine. Beautiful place and great lifestyle.
It's sad I guess that they become a hub for homeless- underlines the gulfs in society.
 
Agree, we flew out on Saturday and had Sunday in Napa Valley drinking wine. Beautiful place and great lifestyle.
It's sad I guess that they become a hub for homeless- underlines the gulfs in society.

On my daily route from my London home (in zone 3) to work (in zone 1) I will see about one or two Eastern European 'beggars' who I just walk past. No beggars at bus stops, very few if any outside tube stations, zero anywhere within the tube station itself, and maybe 1 or 2 on my walk to the office from the station. There are usually one or two I feel sorry for and maybe even contribute by buying them food or some change. At no point do I feel any of them might be a drugged crazy that will stab me for 20p. And I know for 90% of the people 'on the street' there is help even if it doesn't directly take them off the street at once.

If I saw any more homeless than that, and in worst state, i.e. children (no I don't mean the Eastern European ones wearing brand new Nike t-shirt trainers while their mums beg) then I would probably break down in tears. People in London just aren't used to seeing squalor that Europeans and Amercians have become accustomed to in their major cities. These are the unquantifiable differences between living in London and other major western cities.
 
On my daily route from my London home (in zone 3) to work (in zone 1) I will see about one or two Eastern European 'beggars' who I just walk past. No beggars at bus stops, very few if any outside tube stations, zero anywhere within the tube station itself, and maybe 1 or 2 on my walk to the office from the station. There are usually one or two I feel sorry for and maybe even contribute by buying them food or some change. At no point do I feel any of them might be a drugged crazy that will stab me for 20p. And I know for 90% of the people 'on the street' there is help even if it doesn't directly take them off the street at once.

If I saw any more homeless than that, and in worst state, i.e. children (no I don't mean the Eastern European ones wearing brand new Nike t-shirt trainers while their mums beg) then I would probably break down in tears. People in London just aren't used to seeing squalor that Europeans and Amercians have become accustomed to in their major cities. These are the unquantifiable differences between living in London and other major western cities.
I work in Vauxhall and have to pass about four on average a day. There's one scraggy aggressive cnut who I've seen being led off by the police a few times.
More tiresome than anything. They're all druggies round there- big local methadone clinic.
 
Apparently it looks like there might have been foreign hacking of a government website used for registrations for the referendum. The cabinet committee think there was a DDOS attack that crashed the site, but say it didn't effect the result in any way because the deadline was extended to compensate.

The government spokeswoman meanwhile shows that she has no idea what a DDOS attack actually is with the following statement..

A Cabinet Office spokeswoman said there was no evidence to support the committee’s claim of possible interference from foreign governments.

“We have been very clear about the cause of the website outage in June 2016. It was due to a spike in users just before the registration deadline. There is no evidence to suggest malign intervention,” she said.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ay-have-interfered-in-brexit-vote-report-says

That's what a DDOS attack looks like you fecking idiot! :lol:
 
Apparently it looks like there might have been foreign hacking of a government website used for registrations for the referendum. The cabinet committee think there was a DDOS attack that crashed the site, but say it didn't effect the result in any way because the deadline was extended to compensate.

The government spokeswoman meanwhile shows that she has no idea what a DDOS attack actually is with the following statement..



https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ay-have-interfered-in-brexit-vote-report-says

That's what a DDOS attack looks like you fecking idiot! :lol:

I've yet to hear any goverment figure talk about technology as if they have a fecking clue what they're talking about. Its rather disconcerting.

Im not sure how that committee came to the conclusion it what state sponsored though, the discussion of China and Russia seems to be a general point rather than any involvement. It'll just be hacker groups being pricks as usual.
 
Im not sure how that committee came to the conclusion it what state sponsored though, the discussion of China and Russia seems to be a general point rather than any involvement. It'll just be hacker groups being pricks as usual.

Perfectly possible, although I assume the intelligence agencies have been looking for patterns that point towards government actors rather than just hacker groups. I'd suspect different governments including western ones have also infiltrated the big hacker groups and use them for their own ends anyway too.

With regards to Russia though, Putin gave a speech years ago about how they were unable to keep up a direct race against the US militarily and with regards to the nuclear balance, and that Russia would look to other means to ensure their safety. I think the massive surge in Russian online hacking/information war stuff is part of this strategy.
 
EU working to 'push' Britain out of the space race by cancelling Galileo contracts after Brexit

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-companies-galileo-satellite-space-contracts/



I'm sure that NASA would appreciate our $350m a year plus extras, should Brussels with play its games. This would represent 10% of the ESA budget gone, just like that.

The UK is leaving the EU hence UK based companies can't compete for contracts for EU projects.

And good luck convincing the most protectionist president in US history to allow UK based companies unrestricted access to the US markets.
 
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Other countries will just have to contribute more as they will with anything else the uk currently contributes to, tuff shit. They could all act like adults and compromise but that's not what they are about.
 
The UK is leaving the EU hence UK based companies can't compete for contracts for EU projects.

It is an ESA managed programme; which aside from being a fine example of non-political European cooperation, is not an agency bound to Brussels (although there has been increasing encroachment this past decade).
 
It is an ESA managed programme; which aside from being a fine example of non-political European cooperation, is not an agency bound to Brussels (although there has been increasing encroachment this past decade).

Mr Kerevan told The Independent: “There is technology there reserved for member states to use for public services, and the UK could be locked out"

Norway and Switzerland are members of the ESA but had to broker their own agreements to join Galileo in 2009 and 2014 respectively.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...u-gps-system-it-helped-to-build-a7574206.html

Brexit means Brexit. Once out of the EU, the UK will have to broker their own new and bold agreement to re-join Galileo like any other third country.
 
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Mr Kerevan told The Independent: “There is technology there reserved for member states to use for public services, and the UK could be locked out"

Norway and Switzerland are members of the ESA but had to broker their own agreements to join Galileo in 2009 and 2014 respectively.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...u-gps-system-it-helped-to-build-a7574206.html

Brexit means Brexit. Once out of the EU, the UK will have to broker their own new and bold agreement to re-join Galileo like any other third country.

Security agreements are one thing, punitive financial penalties quite another. And whilst Brexit does indeed mean Brexit, European cooperation existed before the EU became what it has.
 
It is an ESA managed programme; which aside from being a fine example of non-political European cooperation, is not an agency bound to Brussels (although there has been increasing encroachment this past decade).

Galileo is, as far as I understand it, ESA managed but EU funded.

Seeing as the article you posted is specifically about Galileo I don't really understand the general whinge about the ESA.
 
With all the talk of the UK having an exit bill to pay towards on going projects, pensions and whateverelse (correctly IMO). Would the UK be entitled to a share of any assets built up by the EU during the time UK has been a member
 
Security agreements are one thing, punitive financial penalties quite another. And whilst Brexit does indeed mean Brexit, European cooperation existed before the EU became what it has.

No one is punishing anybody. The UK is leaving the EU and like all third party countries whose interested in projects meant for the EU audience it has to renegotiate its way in. That's what Norway and Switzerland had done. It would be unfair for these two latter countries if the UK or any third party country is given a free pass

Prior to the EU whom the UK is leaving there was the EEC which the UK had already ruled out as an option because it doesn't want to be 'shackled' by any EU law. Prior to that there was the ECSC whom the UK was against. Before that there were 2 world wars which saw the UK as one of the protagonists and prior to that there were an endless amount of wars, with England busy using the divide and conquer tactic to make sure that no European nation grow strong enough to challenge its dominion on the European fora. The UK is against Shengen, its against the Euro, its against the ECJ, its against the EU despite the fact that the EU was a big factor in turning the UK from the sick person in Europe to the 5th biggest economy in the world and its against the setting up of an EU army. All of which its within its right to leave/not join. However once Brexit occurs its only fair for the EU to decide in which areas they want to keep co-operation with the UK and to what extent. Negotiations are a two way street and the EU can say no to the UK as much as the UK can say no to the EU (the latter happens all the time)

So really, the last thing the UK can talk about is European co-operation. As Guy Verhofstadt perfectly puts it the UK relationship with Europe was always that of a marriage of convenience
 
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It's a pity because it's actually a good post apart from that.
Well I'm not sure the eu is entirely responsible for turning "The Sick Person Of Europe" into the 5th largest economy.

It has however deployed a single currency that has made several countries the sick persons of Europe, basically they have gone backwards.

They could take credit for both of course.
 
Another reference to war and empires, has someone challenged you to mention it in every post?

He mentioned about European collaboration which predates the EU and I asked him to what period he was talking exactly. I love European history. I read so many books about it and I visited every single place of interest (St Petersburg, Rome, Venice, London, Vienna, Paris, Madrid, Barcelona, Florence you name it, I visited it). Europe is many things but was never very strong in terms of collaboration. We've got two world wars on our name to testify to that.

Collaboration between the UK and Europe is also oxymoron. Out of all nations the UK is possibly the more resistant towards any sort of European co-operation ever.

Please highlight were I mentioned the empire.
 
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He mentioned about European collaboration which predates the EU and I asked him to what period he was talking exactly. I love European history. I read so many books about it and I visited every single place of interest (St Petersburg, Rome, Venice, London, Vienna, Paris, Madrid, Barcelona, Florence you name it, I visited it). Europe is many things but was never very strong in terms of collaboration. Collaboration between the UK and Europe is an oxymoron. Any attempt of that was heavily resisted and criticised by the UK.

Please highlight were I mentioned the empire.

You visited the Loire Valley?
 
Well I'm not sure the eu is entirely responsible for turning "The Sick Person Of Europe" into the 5th largest economy.

It has however deployed a single currency that has made several countries the sick persons of Europe, basically they have gone backwards.

They could take credit for both of course.

I said it was a big factor. Not that it was entirely responsible
 
I said it was a big factor. Not that it was entirely responsible

The Thatcher reforms in the 80s were responsible for the transformation of the British economy. That's why they served as a template for national economic reform around the world, including that of countries in Eastern Europe.

Britain joined the Common Market in the early 70s, and was in even worse economic condition by the time Thatcher took office in 1980.
 
The Thatcher reforms in the 80s were responsible for the transformation of the British economy. That's why they served as a template for national economic reform around the world, including that of countries in Eastern Europe.

Britain joined the Common Market in the early 70s, and was in even worse economic condition by the time Thatcher took office in 1980.

Unrestricted access to the single market helped the UK a great deal. Even now, around half of UK exports go to EU countries. No wonder why the tones are changing and the Brexiteers in government are back paddling furiously.