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Stanley Road said:
I believe immigration within the eu is not really immigration, it's moving country by freedom of choice due to open borders. Its Rutte that wants to block non eu migrants and that goes against the greens. Personally I recognise no difference, everyone in the world should be given the chance to improve their lives and being part of a shitty club should not give you preference, in fact it should hinder you. It's such a great club where every country and everyone is equal.
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Strangely enough I agree with most of what you say but I don't understand the bit about everyone should have a chance except people from the EU.
Pity the Uk have got open borders and people are flooding in from everywhere with no controls (says the government) and all those refugees they're not taking in.
 
Silva said:
Negotiations have started now. When can we expect information to come out? The EU has said they're going to be fully transparent thought afaik.
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Don't hold your breath.

I wouldn't expect any meaningful information from anyone much before Christmas....Christmas 2018, that is.

Although I'll be genuinely interested to see the differences in degrees of transparency
 
rcoobc said:
Dan Hannan with some classic lies here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ssels-REALLY-think-ll-come-crawling-back.html

Stocks growing fastest in Britain (because our currency value plummeted). GDP growing (now the slowest in the G7)
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The so-called experts don't seem to be too worried about the future for the UK's GDP. Mind you, the same PWC were Hardcore Rmainers in the run up to the Referendum - and absolutely nothing to do with the fees they rake in as 'Advisors' to the EU, I'm sure.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/02/07/top-world-britain-outpace-g7-next-three-decades/
 
Full bodied red said:
The so-called experts don't seem to be too worried about the future for the UK's GDP. Mind you, the same PWC were Hardcore Remainers in the run up to the Referendum - and absolutely nothing to do with the fees they rake in as 'Advisors' to the EU, I'm sure.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/02/07/top-world-britain-outpace-g7-next-three-decades/
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It's so frustrating. As someone who really does appreciate both sides of this, the whole thing is a joke.

During the Greece economic crisis, it was often mentioned that a government debt more than 100% of GDP was a big warning sign for that economy. I now think a government debt of 100-110% is unavoidable in the next 10 years (currently standing at 90%).
Our GDP is around £2 trillion.

A fall of 1% GDP reduction would represent a £20bn loss. Government tax receipts tend to be around 35% GDP, therefore you can expect the government to take a £7bn hit.

The current deficit is around 2.5% GDP; £48.7 billion.

Just 5 years of "failing to reduce the deficit" and no growth will leave us with 100% government dept to GDP.
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To be sure, we won't reach debt levels of that of the second world war (peaking around 250% GDP), but it would be extremely fair to say the Tories will not have substantially improved the economy since taking on the task. And if anything, I think I am underestimating the task.
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All of this is going on with huge problems in the background.
We have an ageing population, putting pressure both on government pension and the NHS.

The NHS itself in a huge crisis. EU nurses are not coming here. British Doctors are leaving for New Zealand and Australia. Waits for beds have grown five-fold since 2011 (my MIL had to stay at a hospital 50 miles away from her local hospital for two weeks as there were no beds there. A week later they "accidentally" discharged her.)

Fire service have faced huge cuts which now looks to have been a fatal error.

Police have faced large cuts. Again, I can only say that that was an error.

Security Services have allegedly lost the plot with tracking individuals.
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There is so much "not right" with this country at the moment. Labour have offered some sort of solution, albeit one I don't really believe in. The conservatives though are offering no solution whatsoever.

I find the whole thing deeply frustrating. The rhetoric given by the leave camp has always been "you need to get behind brexit". Well, we're trying. But we can't, because the leavers are offering us nothing to improve this country.
 
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You know, I agree with everything you say....

Genuinely glad not to be living in the UK right now - too much devisiveness over too many things.

And certainly too much / too many spending cuts to what are essential public services.

I really don't know the answers and I don't think anyone does - it's sort of learn-on-the-job-thinking from all sides of the class divide, political divide, wealth divide, geographical divide, generational divide, ethnicity divide, etc, etc....

We have many of the same problems here - but not as deep, not as widespread, and not as, ...well... , divisive.

As I said a few weks ago....I'm just glad I was born when I was, where I was, because my generation was probably the last in Europe to enjoy a reasonably prosperous, trouble free, life, and I genuinely fear what the future holds for our daughter and son. If that sounds selfishly personal, I'll apologise, but you know what I'm getting at.
 
adexkola said:
I thought Labour was for staying in the EU, no?
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Neigh (or not since the referendum). They've been toeing the line between saying we will be leaving the Single Market, and we will be staying in the Single Market. That we will be cutting immigration, and that immigration will roughly stay the same.

In short, they have the same starting point as the Tories, but are giving themselves more room to maneuver.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
This was from 2 days before the referendum last year:
May was pro-remain and Corbyn didn't really say anything
Draw your own conclusions

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/how-mp-vote-eu-referendum-8035476
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PAUL....

First time I've seen that.

What I find really interesting is that the Labour 'Leavers' include quite a few of the 'traditional' Labour MPs - Skinner, Mann, Cryer, Field. I think Corbyn probably fitted into the 'Leavers' camp as he's politically / philosophically closely aligned with those four, but....

Which way did he vote personally in the end ? Does anyone know ?
 
Full bodied red said:
PAUL....

First time I've seen that.

What I find really interesting is that the Labour 'Leavers' include quite a few of the 'traditional' Labour MPs - Skinner, Mann, Cryer, Field. I think Corbyn probably fitted into the 'Leavers' camp as he's politically / philosophically closely aligned with those four, but....

Which way did he vote personally in the end ? Does anyone know ?
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He says Remain. There's no way to know if he did or not.
 
Great so despite all the grandstanding from the tories they've already given into the timetable. Tough negotiators

Was always going to happen to be fair i just dont understand why they pretended otherwise
 
Davis is an absolute liar and an incompetent bluster-filled fool. The thought of him as interim PM makes me despair. Where have all the competent people in this country run off to?
 
The times I've seen him on TV I've always thought nobody could be that smug and confident without actually having something massive to fall back on. But the emperor does not seem to be wearing any clothes.
 
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Full bodied red said:
No...The OP said specifically that the NHS would go ape-shit for non-EU medical staff because they would cost less.

I was explaining that is not true - all NHS staff get the same salary for the same job, irrespective of nationality.

As for the spivs and speculators....If you think they're worth more to society than Medical Professionals, then you and I have a different view of the sort of the society we want to live in.
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You have the wrong idea. Non EU nationals are not entitled to most of the benefits so cost the govt a lot lot less than EU nationals. Especially in case of the nurses.
 
Smores said:
Great so despite all the grandstanding from the tories they've already given into the timetable. Tough negotiators

Was always going to happen to be fair i just dont understand why they pretended otherwise
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Something about trade deficits and Prosecco.
 
Smores said:
Great so despite all the grandstanding from the tories they've already given into the timetable. Tough negotiators

Was always going to happen to be fair i just dont understand why they pretended otherwise
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:lol:

You're the people in the matchday forums telling us were gonna lose before a ball is kicked.
 
Order of talks were always going to begin with immigrant rights, and the the rights of Brits abroad, and financial settlements etc.
Both sides accept that NOTHING is agreed until everything is agreed. So let the EU map out their intentions, and let them tell us what they want, and we'll tell them what they'll get.
 
vidic blood & sand said:
:lol:

You're the people in the matchday forums telling us were gonna lose before a ball is kicked.
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Are you seriously suggesting that Davis hasn't been going on about parallel talks ever since the result last year? Is that even a question?

Do Brexiteers have as much difficulty grasping reality as Trump?
 
vidic blood & sand said:
Order of talks were always going to begin with immigrant rights, and the the rights of Brits abroad, and financial settlements etc.
Both sides accept that NOTHING is agreed until everything is agreed. So let the EU map out their intentions, and let them tell us what they want, and we'll tell them what they'll get.
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What the hell are you on about he and the rest have been banging the drum we fundamentally disagreed with that approach for nearly a year now. That we wouldn't be held to divorce talks first.

In case thats too hard to grasp here's words from the man himself, saying we're now in a worse position

 
Rightnr said:
Are you seriously suggesting that Davis hasn't been going on about parallel talks ever since the result last year? Is that even a question?

Do Brexiteers have as much difficulty grasping reality as Trump?
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Trade negotiations should start in October. That is absolutely fine.
It is obvious that most things have to be discussed in parallel, but there are some issues more important than trade.
 
Smores said:
What the hell are you on about he and the rest have been banging the drum we fundamentally disagreed with that approach for nearly a year now. That we wouldn't be held to divorce talks first.

In case thats too hard to grasp here's words from the man himself, saying we're now in a worse position

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As I said, trade deals are supposed to start in October. With the extent of complexity leaving the customs union, that's pretty good.
 
The only problem is what the EU see as a fair deal and what the Brexiteers consider a fair (i.e. give us everything for nothing) deal are two very definitions of fair in this context.
 
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Funny that, it's almost as if Project Fear is coming true.
 
If you think a warning on war and a warning on economics are exactly the same, I cannot help you, unfortunately.
 
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