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[I Believe]

You realize that no one cares about Juncker

Oh! that's surprising to hear, thought he was the 'poster boy' for the stick to the British cohort and the lets all hug together as one country faction?

If that is the case it might be best if the National Leaders get him off the front line, hidden in a cupboard in the cellars of the EU HQ, made to watch endless re-runs of Nigel Farage's speech to the EU Parliament... the " you're not laughing now" one! Come to think of it 'sack clothe and ashes" might be more appropriate!

 

[711]

Media chock full of discussion on May's speech. Which she hasn't made yet. feck's sake just wait a bit until you find out what she actually says.

 

[devilish]

Oh! that's surprising to hear, thought he was the 'poster boy' for the stick to the British cohort and the lets all hug together as one country faction?

If that is the case it might be best if the National Leaders get him off the front line, hidden in a cupboard in the cellars of the EU HQ, made to watch endless re-runs of Nigel Farage's speech to the EU Parliament... the " you're not laughing now" one! Come to think of it 'sack clothe and ashes" might be more appropriate!

It would certainly be a good idea if we locked Juncker, Ukip, Boris, Farage and co in some cellar so that the adults can negotiate on Brexit.

 

[I Believe]

I'll plump for gibberish.

Gibberish, that's perfect... what a insight you have, that's the language the EU Commissioners have been speaking since Mrs Cresson's day in court! (Well it wasn't really a day in court was it... and six years after the guilty verdict?)

 

[I Believe]

Media chock full of discussion on May's speech

Perfect example of 'Fake News' from the media.Report it before its happened, then look sheepish if she says something else, make up an excuse it was all down to Boris's intervention, then run another four pages on his bid for leadership and the in-fighting in the tory party.. totally ignore what Theresa said, the EU will do anyway!

 

[JPRouve]

Oh! that's surprising to hear, thought he was the 'poster boy' for the stick to the British cohort and the lets all hug together as one country faction?

If that is the case it might be best if the National Leaders get him off the front line, hidden in a cupboard in the cellars of the EU HQ, made to watch endless re-runs of Nigel Farage's speech to the EU Parliament... the " you're not laughing now" one! Come to think of it 'sack clothe and ashes" might be more appropriate!

It's only surprising if you know nothing about the EU. I said it numerous times Juncker talks for himself while Barnier and Tusk talk for the member states and particularly for the EU council.

 

[Smores]

Media chock full of discussion on May's speech. Which she hasn't made yet. feck's sake just wait a bit until you find out what she actually says.

No one cares anyway everyone knows she's a lame duck and that it'll be full of fluffy words with no substance. The audience for the speech isn't the EU its voters back home and her own MPs

 

[Kentonio]

That's conjecture -again- though. Just because since then, the French have voted in pro European presidents, that does not make the French people themselves pro European Union.

Correlation does not imply causation.

I would say that I could assume that since brexit, a lot of French may feel more affinity towards the Eu project, but I really don't know. It's quite possible. But the popularity of Marine le Pen did cause me to wonder. She is an awful candidate and a holocaust denier - and she still came extremely close to becoming your president!

She didn't come extremely close. 66-34% is generally known as a landslide.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Who says they won't? Boris heh heh heh!

For many Brexit voters getting out of the EU is the main thing, so a temporary solution is we take back control of our borders and start to make trade deals elsewhere, now and we then remain in the EU until 2020, paying only what we owe/promised until the end of the current budget and then have a 'leaving do' at the end of 2020... simples!

What a great way to finish off such an incorrect post

 

[Abizzz]

Did May just say she isn't sensible?

May: No deal better than a bad one.
Also
May: No one sensible proposes tariffs.

So much hot air again and nothing of substance... regret postponing mowing the lawn over this.

 

[devilish]

we never felt part of the EU

but we share your values

we want a close relationship that we feel we deserve that you don't offer to anyone else yet

but we share your values

we want a transitional deal were nothing change and we've got no clue when it ends (possibly 2 years)

but EU employees who want to work need to register

we want our sovreignity back

but we share your values

no tarriffs please

but we share your values

 

[Paul the Wolf]

we never felt part of the EU

but we share your values

we want a close relationship that we feel we deserve that you don't offer to anyone else yet

but we share your values

we want a transitional deal were nothing change and we've got no clue when it ends (possibly 2 years)

but EU employees who want to work need to register

we want our sovreignity back

but we share your values

Said it would be in gibberish

 

[devilish]

Said it would be in gibberish

if I had doubt about what I said before then this doubt is gone.

UK pay its dues and it will get its transitional deal. Then everyone goes his own way unless, of course, it decides to choose an off the shelf solution.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

if I had doubt about what I said before then this doubt is gone.

UK pay its dues and it will get its transitional deal. Then everyone goes his own way.

There's no doubt , but we have to be creative though and smooth (a lot of straight bananas for the smoothies)

 

[NinjaFletch]

This transitional deal represents some progress at least.

Extend that a few times and then cancel this shit show when the Brexiteers have died off.

 

[Smores]

There was bit of a trumpism in there as well with her offering being "unprecedented in depth"

 

[devilish]

This transitional deal represents some progress at least.

Extend that a few times and then cancel this shit show when the Brexiteers have died off.

Did they had a choice?

 

[Cheesy]

Transitional deal is unsurprising but it demonstrates how little confidence the government have in Brexit being a success. If you're opting for damage limitation, essentially, then you obviously aren't convinced what you're doing is a good idea.

 

[NinjaFletch]

Did they had a choice?

Probably not, but it's a pretty major concession to have to make whilst still trying to convince people that Brexit is a good idea.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

So the point of the speech was to present it in front of half a dozen members of the Uk cabinet, a few local italian dignitaries and some press, mainly British

 

[Cheesy]

So the point of the speech was to present it in front of half a dozen members of the Uk cabinet, a few local italian dignitaries and some press, mainly British

Appease the UK journalists by giving them a couple of days holiday to Italy.

 

[Cheesy]

Farage doesn't seem too happy.

 

[Cheesy]

Farage making business analogies here in regards to walking away without a deal, ignoring the fact that May's running a country and not a business. Is he an actual child? Like, he does realise we can't just do what we want here, and that compromises have to be made?

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Appease the UK journalists by giving them a couple of days holiday to Italy.

Or not to have the speech in the UK to avoid the Brexiteer's lynch mob screaming, "Get on with it, this isn't what we voted for!"

 

[Cheesy]

Or not to have the speech in the UK to avoid the Brexiteer's lynch mob screaming, "Get on with it, this isn't what we voted for!"

She's surely approaching a position where she'll piss of everyone. Brexiters will be frustrated at not getting their own distinct, personal vision of Brexit, while Remainers will be annoyed it's happened at all. Leaving May in a position wherein she'll have to fall on her own sword and leave someone else to pick up the mess, as the rest of the country wonders just what the point was at all.

 

[Sweet Square]

She's surely approaching a position where she'll piss of everyone. Brexiters will be frustrated at not getting their own distinct, personal vision of Brexit, while Remainers will be annoyed it's happened at all. Leaving May in a position wherein she'll have to fall on her own sword and leave someone else to pick up the mess, as the rest of the country wonders just what the point was at all.

Yeah pretty much.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

She's surely approaching a position where she'll piss of everyone. Brexiters will be frustrated at not getting their own distinct, personal vision of Brexit, while Remainers will be annoyed it's happened at all. Leaving May in a position wherein she'll have to fall on her own sword and leave someone else to pick up the mess, as the rest of the country wonders just what the point was at all.

I remain bewildered

 

[devilish]

Farage making business analogies here in regards to walking away without a deal, ignoring the fact that May's running a country and not a business. Is he an actual child? Like, he does realise we can't just do what we want here, and that compromises have to be made?

You can't expect him to say that Brexit was just a scam he set up to make ridiculous amount of money as MEP out of gullible people backs can he? He will insist that Brexit was a great idea and he will blame everybody else for it not working the way it should have done.

 

[JPRouve]

You can't expect him to say that Brexit was just a scam he set up to make ridiculous amount of money as MEP out of gullible people backs can he? He will insist that Brexit was a great idea and he will blame everybody else for it not working the way it should have done.

He would sound like us, the pro EU.

 

[I Believe]

What a great way to finish off such an incorrect post

Yes, its not rocket science is it?

 

[devilish]

She's surely approaching a position where she'll piss of everyone. Brexiters will be frustrated at not getting their own distinct, personal vision of Brexit, while Remainers will be annoyed it's happened at all. Leaving May in a position wherein she'll have to fall on her own sword and leave someone else to pick up the mess, as the rest of the country wonders just what the point was at all.

I cant really blame her. One one side there's the people had spoken while on the other hand she doesn't want to be remembered as the PM who ruined the UK economy. Honestly, she shouldn't have taken the PM role in the first place. She should have left Boris sort the mess he created.

There again we all know how Tories attraction to power don't we?

 

[Nogbadthebad]

She said that we never really felt comfortable being part of the EU.

That will help the tens of thousands of small businesses looking for new customers across Europe I'm sure.

She is, without doubt, the worst PM in a century, and given the last one lost a referendum on the very future of the country and ran away, that is saying something.

 

[I Believe]

for it not working the way it should have done.

Oh Ye of little faith!
Theresa gave the EU leaders an 'out' today, bit risky but at least it was a sincere attempt to find common ground, doubt if they will take it though, still waiting for Angela Merkel... drum rolls on Monday!
Barnier and Davis warm up act can now put their feet up!, well perhaps stay around a bit longer, to show willing!

Did anyone notice that the German journalist asked Mrs May what she expected back from Brussels AND BERLIN?, big hint there, all set up for Mrs Merkel to seal the deal.

 

[Cheesy]

Oh Ye of little faith!
Theresa gave the EU leaders an 'out' today, bit risky but at least it was a sincere attempt to find common ground, doubt if they will take it though, still waiting for Angela Merkel... drum rolls on Monday!
Barnier and Davis warm up act can now put their feet up!, well perhaps stay around a bit longer, to show willing!

Did anyone notice that the German journalist asked Mrs May what she expected back from Brussels AND BERLIN?, big hint there, all set up for Mrs Merkel to seal the deal.

Don't you find it a tad concerning, as a Brexiter, that May seems determined to retain all the benefits of the EU for as long as she possibly can, pretty much extending the time during which we'll continue to be within it? It's also as if she, you know, doesn't want to follow through with this.

 

[MoskvaRed]

A speech which still amounts to "give us a special deal", maximum access with minimal obligations or interference. 15 months after the referendum, the government still seems to have no viable strategy. I think May is intelligent enough to realise the weakness of her hand as well as the logical inconsistency of leaving the EU to join the EEA but any sympathy is tempered by the fact that she actively sought out the top job when Cameron stood down (after keeping very quiet in the campaign itself).

 

[I Believe]

the worst PM in a century

I thought that honour went to Tony Blair, Iraq and all that?... Oh no sorry, he's trying to re-integrate himself by showing his pro-EU credentials!

 

[Cheesy]

A speech which still amounts to "give us a special deal", maximum access with minimal obligations or interference. 15 months after the referendum, the government still seems to have no viable strategy. I think May is intelligent enough to realise the weakness of her hand as well as the logical inconsistency of leaving the EU to join the EEA but any sympathy is tempered by the fact that she actively sought out the top job when Cameron stood down (after keeping very quiet in the campaign itself).

As has been said, she's still using vague platitudes like "creative" and "ambitious" in spite of the fact we're actively in the Brexit process. It's past the time for ideas and possible thoughts...we're in the actual negotiation period where we actually need to be getting actual agreements and arrangements sorted. The transitional deal is probably the most progress that's been made so far and it basically amounts to us staying in the EU for longer.

 

[devilish]

Oh Ye of little faith!
Theresa gave the EU leaders an 'out' today, bit risky but at least it was a sincere attempt to find common ground, doubt if they will take it though, still waiting for Angela Merkel... drum rolls on Monday!
Barnier and Davis warm up act can now put their feet up!, well perhaps stay around a bit longer, to show willing!

Did anyone notice that the German journalist asked Mrs May what she expected back from Brussels AND BERLIN?, big hint there, all set up for Mrs Merkel to seal the deal.

A German journalist asking TM about what she expects from the German government. That's strange isn't it? Why didn't she asked what she expected from Valletta or Bucharest instead? What about Luxembourg or Lisbon? I am sure that the Germans who follow that's journalist media would rather know know what TM is expecting from them rather then what she expects from their own head. Also notice that the question came after the Italian journalist asked about Italian citizen rights. Maybe the axis want to learn more about Britain's next move?

TM is eyeing for a transitional deal and she will probably get it after the UK pays the bill. After that it will be up to the British voter + Boris and Fox to determine what happens next. From what we've seen, TM is in no mood to send the economy tits up in the name of democracy or ideology so if they want a hard Brexit then they better sign some very good trade deals.

 

[I Believe]

She said that we never really felt comfortable being part of the EU.

You may not like it, but it really is true for the majority of the British public, especially when the Common Market finished and it set off on the trail to become the EU!

Mrs Thatcher almost had us out, but they bought her off with a rebate and also at that time Michael Heseltine lost his nerve and stepped down from running against her in a leadership contest, especially after the Westland debacle. Tony Blair would have given away the Pound (Sterling) clearing the way for full integration but good ole Gordon Brown (and his side-kick Ed Balls, he's quiet now isn't he?) stopped him, and he's a Scotsman to boot, but clearly not a Scots Nationalist..or is he? Brown recognised the damage that would be done when under the change to the Euro, when the Barnet formulae's weakness for the rest of Britain would be unveiled.

The truth is we were always the 'nearly man' as far as the idea of a United States of Europe is concerned, so its better we go our own way. Let them get on with it, and as Theresa said "lets have a special deal, agreed between old friends who all want the same thing, but wrapped up in different packages!

 

[MoskvaRed]

As has been said, she's still using vague platitudes like "creative" and "ambitious" in spite of the fact we're actively in the Brexit process. It's past the time for ideas and possible thoughts...we're in the actual negotiation period where we actually need to be getting actual agreements and arrangements sorted. The transitional deal is probably the most progress that's been made so far and it basically amounts to us staying in the EU for longer.

I agree that the best part is the fact that we are kicking the can down the road until 2021 at least (although that still doesn't help much if you are running a business and trying to decide whether to stay or invest in Britain). As I have said before, the concept of Brexit was something talked up in the watering holes of Westminster and St James and around kitchen tables in Notting Hill over bottles of wine. Now we are in a very extended morning after and still no-one has a clue how to translate last night's boasts into a feasible concrete plan. For the very good reason that there is no feasible alternative between compromises to protect the economy and a hang the consequences drive for a full, clean break.