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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
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All pals together, cliff edge, what cliff edge! just hand over the money Tess!
You think this is just going to get back in it's box?
A friend of a friend was at an event where one of the speakers appeared to have good contacts in Brussels. But it could all be wishful thinking.
The same interest which has massively increased our national debt via QE to the extent that if we don't have austerity we will become like Greece.
Is that Macron's proposition concerning a revamp of border controls with a EU border police and a EU immigration administration? I don't think that the brexiters will like that.
Disgraceful stuff. But I've learnt to expect nothing else from the GBP with regard to blaming others for their misery.
What's more galling is Brexiters baaing that Europeans are going to be rational yet they are happy to turn their anger and aggression on Europe when they feel like it and behave in any other way but rationally.
Do what I say not what I do. But the UK is not the US - it just doesn't have the economic power to take this hypocritical stance and get away with it.
Wishing everyone a very happy Trafalgar Day.
I'm sure we all agree it would make an excellent new public holiday.
I'm sure we all agree it would make an excellent new public holiday.
"99% of them are in prison", who's she talking about?
I think there's going to be plenty of days off for the British workforce soon enough.
I don't want to sound snobbish or intolerant of other people's views, but this for me is why it should never have been open to a public vote in the first place. I don't pretend to know enough about it to make a well enough informed decision, and I read up about it a lot before the referendum. Isn't that why we pay people, whose job it is to know about this stuff, to make these decisions for us? You know, elected people who act in the public interest, on behalf of the voters?
I was fishing for a witty or clever reply I must admit. Still a few hours of the day yet though.
You want to live in a dictatorship? Someone like May and whoever in government have no right to be anywhere near these negotiations if everything was above board. Government are meant to represent the people. Not dictate too the people.
No, just a representative democracy.
How did you get that from my post?
Yeah it's no surprise that the people in video were all old.
Not before they 'educate' their kids.
The country will never be rid of moronic stupidity.
There was a time when we could have changed the financial industry and moved away from our reliance on them. It was around 2008-2009 when the whole system collapsed, and before we spent countless billions bailing them out. It might have led to an even worse situation, but it was an option.
Sabotaging them now though AFTER the money has been spent and they're back to being a hugely profitable part of the national economy is just braindead. We don't have the money (or the political appetite) for vast new investment in other fields, so by hurting the city we're just going to ensure there's less money available for public services.
Its debatable because all we are currently doing is paying the interest on the debt and that is as you say with the banks being profitable, except of course RBS. RBS is one of the banks getting money from the NHS via PFI.
Don't forget Cameron had to use the veto, the first time we have ever done that to stop the Tobin tax being implemented.
So if the Banks move to the EU and Britain leaves will the EU then impose the Tobin tax?
Good old Gordon Brown, first he stopped Blair taking us into the Euro and then he rescued the Banks after the collapse, but then an ungrateful Country voted him out of office... such is Political life!
Wonder how much it will cost this time with Theresa's offer 'to pay her way' to the agreement she wants over Brexit? Macron's saying £20B not enough, Merkel is still 'going blind' into the next round of bidding, but will Angela get side-tracked trying to form a government in Berlin and overplay her hand?
Still think Theresa will 'up the ante' until she gets what she wants, then fall on her sword, can't see any other way forward now... except of course the Cliff Edge!
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The cliff edge really is in no-one's interest, so hopefully there is some sort of (unfavourable) fudge of a deal put in place or an extension of some sort.
Wouldn't be that surprised if that doesn't happen though, which could well result in economic carnage.
Yes, maybe, but you get the feeling the Elephant in the room has been acknowledge at least!
If we both go over the cliff, we all finish up in a crumpled mess on the beach
Britain can go, it can have its 'trade deal', its freedoms, its laws, etc. but its got to pay and pay handsomely, so that nobody else will be tempted to buy their way out!
The casualty in Britain will be Theresa, any payments certainly just to get out will be viewed as 'surrender' by many brexiteers, the fact that we remain able to trade with the EU even if we are no longer part of it, will placate all but the must ardent re-moaners. May will fall on her sword and make way for a new Tory leader, if anyone wants the job!
In the EU, I would assume Juncker's card has been marked, also perhaps Tusks, doubt if they will 'fall on their swords' but they will be dispatched anyway, for letting it get to this position.
All's well that ends well... now where have we heard that before?
Sounds like a shit scenario. Thought you were actually in favour of Brexit?
Yes I am, but politics is the art of the possible. The 'cliff edge' is not possible for either side no matter how they rattled their sabres and they know it.
Britain has a majority for out, so we go. Remainers want a good deal to remain trading with the EU, so we're out of the EU but with more or less the same trading deal as before, its just going to cost around £60B to £100B probably paid over a decade. The price has to be high to deter others from leaving!
There is no other sane way out for any of the politicians. May has to be sacrificed when she's done the deal, not before, that's what she's telling Merkel and Macron right now, "I'm laying down my political life, now don't let me down, do the deal"!
No reason for Merkel or Macron to yield. The so-called 'divorce bill' is purely what we committed to in the last five year plan, not a pay-off as such.
Does it not concern you that the five biggest business confederations -CBI, BCC etc- are today virtually begging for a transition or at least guidance?
The English. These days, if you say you're English...
UK's biggest car group profits just dropped 20% in Q3. Smells like the start of a recession to me.
Then we all go over the cliff together!
My perception is there will be a financial settlement, some of it will count as a bill for commitments, some will be a pay-off as you say, it will all be cobbled in language that allows both sides to claim some sort of victory. At the moment Britain seems to be offering £20B for 'the bill', Macron (not Merkel) has said its not enough by half so its assumed he's talking around £40-£50B. I suspect Theresa will signal to go up to £60B, so when Merkel shows her hand she will demand a £100B and they will settle about £70-80B. Britain leaves but still gets its trade deal, the EU gets the money and the cliff edge is avoided.
What else would you expect the CBI, BCC etc. to say, 'yes go on rush over the cliff edge'?
Is it moronic stupidity to want to protect the countries resources and jobs?
When did this come in?It won't just be a leaving bill. It will be a leaving bill, plus on-going commitments for however long any transition period is, plus payments to any European projects the UK wants to continue to be a part of beyond the transition. The European Medicines Agency being the easiest / most obvious example. The UK is clearly not going to set up its own medicines regulator within the next 17 months, and probably not within the next 3 years (and why would it want to?). So the UK's only other option will be to pay for the EU's services.
Juncker and Tusk are negotiating to a schedule and guidelines that have been agreed by all other EU member states. They are not 'marked' or 'fall guys'.
Finally, I struggle to see how this situation appeases ANYONE. The average Leaver is probably blind enough to reality to think that the catastrophes it prevents are not real threats anyway, and so they will just be angry at the size of both the settlement and the ongoing contributions. If you voted Remain it is just a spectacularly dumb course of action to have chosen. Poorer, no longer having a say in the rules of the UK's largest export market, diminished on the world stage, etc. What are the benefits?
Did you listen to the video?
The Uk are boasting that the unemployment level is at it's lowest level ever - I wonder what the unemployment level will be like when businesses start closing down.
Which resources would they be, the Uk imports far more than it exports and if the pound sinks again the prices will rocket.
Of course 99% of foreigners are criminals and why haven't they all gone home yet? Moronic.
But but..Nothing to do with xenophobia we're being told..
People are getting exposed in this country big time for that they truly are.
What resources does the UK have that need protecting from the EU?