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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Just in case some Brexiters didn't know how the Commissioners become commissioners or what they do and how the president is elected etc here is a useful link, better not to have wool pulled over their eyes
https://europa.eu/european-union/ab...n-commission_en#how_does_the_commission_work?
Further to your point, would you classify the UK cabinet as a similar body - who makes the decisions on UK policy, what role does the House of Commons or MPs play in these decisions - bearing in mind you are trying to insinuate that the Uk system is more democratic whereas I am saying it isn't.
From that link.
I've always thought that's ultimately the EU's tactic and why, among other reasons, it's not in their interest to concede an inch in negotiations. Not only do they not have to, I think they ultimately believe that Britain will change her mind the more it sees what a complete mess it all is. If they compromise now and give ground then that undermines that position. As soon as anything happens that May and co can spin into "progress" that position/tactic is undermined.
Where the EU might be flawed is assuming this government - and in particular the hard-line, mental Tory back-benchers that seem to have it by the nuts - are in any way rational. Our GDP could halve, unemployment increase 10 fold and have an economic crash that makes 2008 look mild and they'd all be celebrating the fact we did it whilst 'taking back control'.
Will December be a watershed moment. It's getting to a point where surely even the government will realise that simply pretending things are going well isn't a sustainable position. If We get to the council meeting in December and the EU still refuse to move onto phase two them something has to change. I suspect not for the better, at least in the short term, and that we'll stage a 'walking out', in an attempt to show the EU we mean business. But that'll simply play into the EU's hands as then shit really will hit the fan and the economy will start to suffer as businesses really crap themselves at the prospect of a no-deal Brexit - making the prospect that everyone will realise what a monumentally shit idea this has been all along, far more likely.
I think the EU realised quite early on that the government are a bunch of loonies, five minutes with Johnson or Davis should be enough, they keep a very close eye on what's going on and they're not going to give an inch on the basics.
Do you think maybe the tactic is, ultimately, 'let's ride this out'. With an expectation that eventually Britain will come to its senses?
The tactic is "Let's do what's best for us".
Obviously but what does that have to do with what I said?
I was asking if the poster I was replying to thought that some of the noises we hear from the EU on this matter indicate that they ultimately think an appetite for Brexit will diminish and in any event doubt this govt's ability to deliver it given the circumstance it finds itself in.
I wasn't confused as to whether the EU wanted to do what's best for them in the negotiation.
Smooth work.
Possibly in a way, but they were never going to give in on the 3 points that are holding up the negotiations now and they told the Uk that since the beginning. Their position at the moment is one of bewilderment that the UK still thinks they're going to change their mind on these points.
Personally I think and maybe they do that Britain will eventually come to its senses. As you say the alternative would make 2008 seem like a stroll in the park.
But what you describe isn't a tactic, it's more a perception partially based on the fact that Brexit is based on lies and directed by a government that many consider inept.
'Many'
'Many'
Too much or not enough?
How does that phrase go again?
"We told you so."
Defo erring on the side of caution.
Since India isn't foreign trade oriented yet, their only interest is to get their workforce more skilled. Basically, they will be looking at exploiting GB for their own gains. That's the reason no one is in talks with them right now despite them being an extremely interesting market.
I wasn't asked, but that won't keep me from giving my two cents:
I don't think the EU has any notable tactic other than the official position. There's too many parties involved in the EU to have some backroom consensus on what to do, and if there was it would be in the media on the same day (All 27 have to keep their electorate satisfied too, with everything that goes with that). Brexit being the unilateral decision that it is (and always had to be) the EU is waiting for Britain to come up with solutions for the problems it causes, within the possibilities that the EU's position creates. From what I gather the only real solution the EU has proposed up to now is keeping N.Ireland in the customs union, and that wasn't offered out of good will, but because of the interests of one of the 27.
How much more of a plan do you need. The positions are clear and now the EU is waiting for Britain to actually react to them and start negotiations.
Either way, my point is that the tactic is self centered and don't really care about the UK, imo.
52% of the country don’t want any more foreigners so we have to respect their wishes and sacrifice pretty much every aspect of our lives to appease them.
I don't think it's quite that bad, to be honest. There's still a massive affection for the British public in many/all of the 27, even if not for the current government. While the EU will undoubtedly represent the EU interests saying they don't care is too harsh imo.
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Do you think that any of your government have had affection for the french? The affection is a myth, there are only interests.
Yeah there's loads of europeans, including in governments, with affection for the french. They're called francophiles.
Our government is a bunch of self serving cnuts. Don’t concern yourself with how they think of your Country and Countrymen. Despite what the Express and Mail might suggest, plenty of us Brits still have plenty of affection for our European neighbours.
I think the figure is 48% at a stretch.
As far as the French people I know, the British are a weird lot but no real animosity towards them, but they consider that they've made a silly decision and already left the EU, oh well never mind, good luck.
His point is that all governments are self serving and they are.
You see that's my point, we have the same type of people on the other side of the channel. Don't let Brexit cloud your judgement these are politicians and businessmen, they only care about what will benefit them and if possible the rest of us. They don't care about the UK and some of them don't care about their own countries and communities, so don't count on any sort of affection.
I might have some affection for you guys but I'm not on the negotiation table and if I was you would be the last of my concerns.
Inward looking, i understand. Something the uk has been accused of.
i am glad you posted that.
if vaccination rates fall, then rates of illness will increase.
I will have little sympathy with those who refuse to be vaccinated because of some perceived danger of the vaccination (in the uk at least all the routine vaccinations are safe, in that the risk from the vaccination is substantially less than the risk from the disease).
Those who are unable to be vaccinated due to allergy etc is who will get my sympathy.
I should point out that have a vested interest in this as I am allergic to the Polio vaccine and have to rely on herd immunity for my protection.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5111571/amp/EU-BLOCKS-UK-cities-European-capital-culture.html
Well, well, well.... I am frankly surprised that towns in the UK were expecting to become European Capital of Culture in 2023. They should take May more seriously: Brexit means Brexit.
Well, well, well.... I am frankly surprised that towns in the UK were expecting to become European Capital of Culture in 2023. They should take May more seriously: Brexit means Brexit.
Ah you're the mail reader
We can start our own Commonwealth Capital of Culture. It'll be way better.
May should just offer British citizenship to all holders of BNO passports in Hong Kong, that would give the economy a huge boost.
Just joking
Just joking
Isn't the UK leaving Europe?
No, they are leaving the European Union. They are still members of the Council of Europe like Russia, for example.
Yes. Globally all world maps will have to be redesigned. There will be no more euros for england, only world cup. No more champions league either. Its going to be a disaster.
Isn't it practically the same nowadays? Nearly Every country in Europe are either in the EU, the EEA, the customs unions or has a series of extremely complex bilateral deal which is basically the same thing. Those who arent are knocking hard at the EU door. I don't really consider Russia as Europe tbh same with the US.
If you take their history, their absolute love to capitalism and their anti European sentiment then I think that the UK is closer to the US then to Europe. Actually I see Canada closer to Europe then Brexit UK is.
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There's no need to that. For most of us we'll only have to ignore the Islands sitting beyond the channel. That is exactly what most Europeans had done in the first place prior to Julius Caesar. The only issue is Ireland whose still European. Surely we can work things out.
Regarding WC/Euros it wouldn't be that much of a tragedy considering England's record in those cups. Also England's love towards the WC (and the CL) is a relatively new thing (after that trashing from Hungary) so its not as if we're breaking an old tradition here. The Champions league is not a European thing.
I think that the UK is closer to the US then to Europe. That doesn't mean we can't be friends or allies though.
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