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10 but in fact, negotiations can not go further than 4 months as the EU said that they would need 6 months to propose it to the members and vote the agreement (if achieved). Sure you can stretch negotiations and compress that 6 months at maybe 3-5? but sure not till last day
I voted Labour in 1974 and haven't voted for anyone since 2005 and thankfully don't have to choose now.
Furthermore the EU are asking for an answer to the Irish question by the 29th June, one month today.
wow. UK is quite fecked...
What answer do they want? What answer do they want re Galileo? What answer do they want to anything? What do they expect to lose from a no deal brexit? There are only losers in this, as said from the eu, so they have nothing to gain from no deal. But, nice to see that some people are happy with one referendum this week, sometimes they are not a bad idea right?.........When the subject suits
If the UK leaves the customs union and single market the UK have to join the WTO and erect a hard border, not EU laws, WTO laws.
They have to stay in the Customs Union to prevent a hard border, ergo Brexit was never a possibility without breaking the GFA.
Here is Brexit moron Jacob Rees Mogg who has no clue what he is talking about, this is the idiot who is driving the Uk towards economic disaster
PS the EU are not going to change the rules to suit the UK.
The Uk want to be a third country, they have to accept the consequences of being a third country, it's still cake and eat it. Yes everyone loses, but the UK lose far more.
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They could let Northern Ireland remain as part of the EU, or they could have if they hadn't gone into coalition with the DUP. That was another stupid decision. They've painted themselves into a corner.
I put the wrong video initially but still. NI cannot be split from the UK - whatever applies to NI will also apply to the whole of the UK unless NI is no longer part of the UK.
If it doesn’t happen both sides will get panicky. The U.K. have vastly more to lose so I don’t expect the EU to blink, but I would expect them to let it go down to the wire giving the incompetents in Whitehall time to scratch something together at the last second. Britain crashing out would be utterly devastating to the U.K., but that damage would also effect everyone else.
They could have put a hard border across the channel, its a natural border. It'd let them have any silly brexit they liked without disrupting NI too much
Even if that were possible, there is no infrastructure in place in the UK or Ireland or the personnel to implement it and it will take years to implement nevermind the disruption.
True, true. I think removing the option from the table was a mistake all the same.
But Boris Johnson said the border between NI and the Republic would be like moving between Camden and Westminster. I'm sure a border within the UK itself can only be even easier.
How does JRM get away with talking such rubbish:
A couple of gems
"Once we're outside the EU, Dover will have to become a streamlined port otherwise they'll lose business to other ports "
Which other port would this be that connects to Calais and would also be "streamlined" - this is criminal negligence and he should be strung up.
"There will be some changes" - understatement of the century ,you won't know what's hit you!
A couple of gems
"Once we're outside the EU, Dover will have to become a streamlined port otherwise they'll lose business to other ports "
Which other port would this be that connects to Calais and would also be "streamlined" - this is criminal negligence and he should be strung up.
"There will be some changes" - understatement of the century ,you won't know what's hit you!
So wher do you think there is give in the eu? On any indifference?
But Boris Johnson said the border between NI and the Republic would be like moving between Camden and Westminster. I'm sure a border within the UK itself can only be even easier.
Your going to have to check every single other boat and plane coming in. Adding the few coming in from NI isn't going to require drastically more infrastructure or work than for the rest of the world. Policing a border that passes through peoples back gardens and all sorts of ridiculous places isn't going to be easy tbf. The political fallout of fecking it up isn't as high. The DUP being a bit miffed at the conservatives isn't the end of the world.
Don’t make the mistake of thinking Jacob Rees-Mogg gives a single feck if it all goes horribly. I’d make any wager out there that he’s banking on exactly that, and would come out the other side considerably richer as a result of an economic crash. He might play the eccentric fool sometimes, but he knows exactly what he’s doing.
You have admitted in this thread you would have voted for Cameron, the man that delivered brexit. You can have no complaints.
Has there been any physical construction going on in Dover for this? Even any plans for any expansion? One would think that 2 years after the vote and with 10 months to go the people advocating this stuff would at least try to make reality size up to it...
I agree he's not doing it for the benefit of the country but for his own benefit , but what irks me is that no-one challenges him sufficiently, why are people so stupid as to believe a word of what he says, it's so obvious he is talking absolute rubbish.
I may have voted for Cameron if I had voted and would have made the mistake of overestimating the intelligence of the average Brit. One thing is for sure I would not have voted for the current Tory government and I wouldn't have voted for Milliband or Corbyn so even if I still lived in the UK my vote would now be completely futile.
I am not complaining from a personal point of view because it won't affect me other than seeing the country I grew up in have a death wish to destroy itself.
Nothing has been done at all anywhere to cope with what will happen after Brexit, I get the impression that they think hardly anything will change, a rude awakening is highly likely, life in the UK will never be the same again. People still think it's scaremongering and exaggeration.
They wont need it if they stay in the CU and SM will they?
If they stay in the CU/SM then they're still basically in the EU with less privileges and paying more with no voice, therefore Brexit being a waste of time and money but it's really now the only option other than no deal.
Wow, so much blame to the EU in that post when it was the UK who chose to leave.
UK apply to quit EU
UK wants to be in the union customs
UK needs the 4 freedoms to remain into the union customs
UK don't want at least 1 of the 4 freedoms ergo can't remain into the union customs
UK does not want a hard border in NI
UK can't avoid having a hard border in NI if is not in the union customs
Is in my understanding that: What is the UK want? what is the UK expect to lose from a no deal Brexit. here are only losers in this so they have nothing to gain from no deal. so what a REALISTIC proposition has the UK to offer?
Not the other way around Stanley
It was pretty much always the only alternative to no deal. Its a foundation point to build a deal on, until one or the other is chosen nothing can be planned for really. The have cake and eat it strategy was always idiotic. Your negotiating with 27 countries any one of which can torpedo a deal.
Well I'm quite interested how all these losers will react to no deal. If its impact free for the eu then just walk away, sort your issues in italy first as that might have a massive impact. But dealing with big issues has never been something the eu do well.
Paraphrasing the brexiteers (among them you),no deal is better than a bad deal.
Get the UK have an special deal after they had been pissing on the EU constantly even having a preference treatment would tear apart the union that would seem that every country could throw a tantrum article 50 style to get what they want. So yes, the impact of reaching an agreement where politically the union would be losing and UK winning is worse than no deal.
I don't even know what I am doing defending the EU, but who caused this was UK and not because UK offers something, the EU should accept it. UK has to propose something that should be good enough for the EU, not good enough for the UK. If they can find a solution that would be good enough for both, perfect, but meanwhile, as is not the case, the ones that should be losing in the deal is the UK, not the EU
But yes, keep blaming who didn't start this. Is like asking the girlfriend permission to feck other girls while being with her "but honey, having sex with me is better than not having sex"
The main problems are legal, so all these talks about winners, losers and else are at this point more childish than anything else. The UK's only propositions create legal voids where neither the UK nor the EU could effectively protect themselves or each others, there is also the little problem that all alternatives lead to one or both sides not respecting pre-existent treaties and international rules. I already mentioned it earlier but the Good Friday agreement is solely based on a reality where all parties are within the SM/EUCU legal framework, it's literally impossible to leave that framework and maintain the agreement. So the solutions available to the UK and NI aren't infinite.
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Westminster doesn't give a shit about NI and it having a hard border, if they did then there never would've been a referendum in the first place. They're only having to push so hard for solutions because the EU are demanding it before they get to move forward with any other talks.
If people really understood what no deal actually means they wouldn't consider it for one second (Other than people like JRM). As JPR says keeping the GFA and leaving the CM/SU legal framework are incompatible. The EU are trying to find an arrangement so that Ireland doesn't lose out and that the GFA is maintained.
The UK has not come up with any sensible proposal but they insist they are leaving the CU/SM.
Well it was Tusk that said there were only losers, so if one doesn't want to be a loser then one has to do something about it.
The UK are a sovereign country, there is nothing the EU can do to prevent both sides from losing. The only thing possible is to limit potential damages.
There are only losers, thats obvious. It'll be a disaster for the UK whatever the outcome and whats bad for them is bad for the rest of the EU. The only people who don't seem to recognise that are the conservative party.
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And he is right. Whatever happens, will only be losers, but each part will try to lose as least as possible and all the options that UK is proposing, damages the EU more than if it would not be a deal. Understanding damage as economically, political consequences for the union, etc...
So as long the UK does not propose a REALISTIC option that is better for the EU than having no deal, the UK is the responsible, not the other way around.
Blaming the EU for the shitshow and saying that the ball is on the EU roof is ridiculous
Also remember that Frotage is chasing German citizenship.
I don't wish these people well.
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Wonder if the UK have signed their free trade agreement yet with the USA, oops the USA have just imposed some tariffs.
Brexit rats hastily arranging their exit routes. Big surprise!
