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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
I’m direct and frank, don’t know or care very much about Ireland / N.Ireland border thing (am guessing like most folks in then UK).
Me personally, I’d tell Brussels, let’s keep trading, we actually don’t want ANY tariffs between us, so goods don’t need all these stringent checks. If you think we need tariffs etc, then sure....let us know how, your call. Simples.
Sure, nothing boosts an economy more than draining resources from it, cutting jobs and limiting investment..
It appears that nobody in the EU has time or energy for us UK jokers.
Greece say hi.
Keep spending and borrowing and keep begging the world for more and to bail us out. It’s almost as you LIKE being under the thumb.
Tariffs are not the major problem.
How is the second point inaccurate?!
Can or cannot anyone from the EU simply just walk in and settle into our country, no questions asked?!
Can we go ahead and do a trade deal with err I dunno, Nigeria for apples with 0% tariffs because our country is in huge need of them?
I don’t have the energy to keep typing, and I come across so aggressive when I type, which I don’t like, but I’m trying to make points - easier to chat in person (as I’ve offered @Raoul!)
It's inacurrate because you chose to make deals as members of an union, you decided to give the right to EU citizens, companies, capitals and goods to enter your territory without the need of individual authorizations, these are your laws. The EU is your current Nigerian apples deal and as you witnessed with brexit you are free to unilaterally inform your partners that you don't want that anymore.
Fair enough, worrying about their recent populist, anti establishment and often anti EU political changes, I’d be worried too!
At least you are honest about it - sadly for you and others like you who don't know or care about my country are discovering that actually the EU views Ireland and the GFA as being rather important and it is the one issue that has derailed brexit entirely and for this I am extremely happy.
As you have now admitted you don't know or care about Northern Ireland or the border issue it would be really lovely if you stopped talking to me in a patronising way about it as if you are some sort of expert on it and that I know nothing. Cheers.
Compelling arguments have been made to you a thousand times in the past, every time you straight up ignore everything and repeat your nonsense soundbites and glib remarks, or ask bullshit rhetorical questions to dance around direct points.
It's always the same shit with you.
No, they can't, as you almost certainly know full well but will continue to suggest they can to try and paint a bullshit narrative.
You're either a wum or moron, and I'm honestly not sure which.
When did we agree for this political union and being one big pseudo country though?
It's not a concession, it's a rule since 2003.
You can reign in public spending and not go mad without making drastic cuts to the public sector. It's hardly one extreme or the other. Indeed the US were under a right-wing government during the financial crisis who were hardly for the public sector and yet still felt the effects themselves. And there are other ways to bring more money into the economy - certainly cutting taxes isn't one of them, albeit it's the Tory approach.
Since day one(Rome treaty 1957) before you even joined.
You may not care but the issue is fundamental to this whole process. Either we implement a border and violate the GFA, thus risking chaos in a part of the UK, or we don't implement a border which means we need to ensure freedom of movement with the EU remains open. You can't try to argue a topic while actively acknowledging you don't care about one of the most significant issues impeding it simply because you don't care or it doesn't suit your argument.
I disagree, but your patronising and aggressive tone isn’t welcomed.
I’m humouring you Remainers that are still crying over a referendum result 2 years ago!
I love it how when you ask Remainers re specific details (re what does the EU look like exactly in 20 years from now etc) that’s an absurd question, one cannot possible know every nook and cranny of it, but for Brexiteers we should know every minute detail, every repercussion etc etc.
Coming from a person who doesn't know or care about the single core issue in the brexit negotiations that is yet to be overcome it seems a bit hypocritical of you to try and discredit other people's views due to a lack of detail.
Some of those people are crying because this is a process that will almost certainly impact their livelihoods, whether it be financially or professionally. The fact their government have no clue as to how they can actually implement this successfully is a huge concern for them.
There's room for discussion as to how the EU should look and how it should be reformed, but now we're outside it we certainly won't have a voice in that, and yet will almost certainly often find ourselves complying with their regulations because we're next door to so many of their countries and thus to an extent rely on them when it comes to trading.
I don't really give a crap if you appreciate my tone, I'm frankly sick of your games. You're not humouring anyone, you're just showing yourself up.
You repeatedly and consistently ignore everything that doesn't suit your ignorant view of things and make nonsense comments that are either entirely irrelevant to what you were asked or completely ignore what has been presented to you.
It's just over 6 months till the UK leaves but you have no idea what you have voted for as I said before.
He doesn't even live here, he's just an ignorant mouthpiece laughing at other people's misfortune from half the world away because it doesn't impact him and fecks the people he looks down on.
I’d send exactly the same back to you, word-for-word
You know nothing of my life, try to keep discussions on topic and refrain from personal attacks. Only makes one us look bad...
I’d send exactly the same back to you, word-for-word
Excellent, your posting history speaks for itself, attempted smug emoji's don't change what you are.
I know enough from what you post on here.
Not going to stoop to that low level. If anyone wants to debate, in a friendly manner I’m all for it. We won’t agree on much (or anything in some cases), but let’s remain civilised. If you want an echo-chamber then feel free to put me on ‘ignore’ or whatever it is.
So tell me why you voted to leave. What are the merits and how do they outweigh remaining in the EU?
There is no debate to be had with you though I'm afraid. You don't care about the main issue that is causing the UK problems in the brexit negotiations so you are essentially happy to pretend it doesn't exist therefore making any 'debate' with you utterly pointless as you are dealing in fantasy whilst choosing to bury you head in the sand and ignore a vital issue because you simply do not care enough about it to form an opinion. Why would I or anybody else waste our time on you now you have admitted this?
Jesus christ they walk among us. How much of that £39b is going to be absorbed by welfare for the millions of people in the automotive and manufacturing industries who lose their jobs? And how much will be lost in tax revenue from companies such as JLR, BMW, PSA Nissan Honda etc who close their operations here in such an event.
I'm all for civility but I'm not sure as to why you expect people to take you particularly seriously when you've admitted you don't care about the NI border issue, one of the central issues to Brexit. If you want to defend your views it can be on the caveat that we ignore the aspects of those views that reduce their credibility to nil.
Did you read this at all? EU saying they are not budging at all and the UK needs to compromise from their position.
Debate in a friendly manner with someone who openly admits he doesn't care about the issue of peace in Northern Ireland.
If this is you refusing to stoop to low levels then God help Canada.
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The debate on the topics were (or should’ve) happened prior to the referendum. I’m a private citizen; no point constantly asking me. The debates were held (re NI for example), and the people made a choice. Why are we constantly rehashing these old debates?
Not heads of European states, they think its fantastic despite the fact its fecked a lot of their own. They are complete feckin loons.
NI made the choice to remain in the EU. I don't remember much chat about the Irish border prior to the election - do you?
The debate has to be raised again if it's discovered that something we've voted for is an impossibility. For example, leaving the single market and not having an Irish border. Plus democracy isn't static and is an ongoing process. People are entitled to change their minds.
NI, like Scotland is a part of the UK that has.....oh you get it