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[sun_tzu]

@Oscie

If we get a GE and Corbyn runs on the promise of a second referendum, will you vote labour?

For me it would depend... Is stay in the EU on the referendum... Or as per the briefings today is it we leave whatever it's just a vote on how we leave... If so what's the point

I would also say whichever pm brings us out and be that a hard or a soft brexit (or even deciding to stay in) for any party will be gone within a year of that decision... It's too decisive for them to be able to govern properly afterwards

 

[Ramshock]

Arlene Foster looks like a bare knuckle boxer.

Yep also continuously tries to represent herself as still the leader the whole of NI and speaks for the majority of its people where in fact she only talks for her party supporters.

 

[Adisa]

 

[Kentonio]

McClusky can go feck himself.

 

[RedChip]

Some people who voted remain are saying it too. Were fecked.

According to a poll overseen by John Curtice, the majority of Brits will likely blame the EU if, as many expect, Brexit is a catastrophe. John Foreigner is obviously intent to screw this up for us. Not that we screwed ourselves. Guess a little bit of deflection may help us not kill each other.

 

[Stanley Road]

Maybe there should be a poll

1 who wants a GE?

2 who wants a REF?

3 Eboue

 

[Adisa]

 

[sun_tzu]

Yup... They will ultimately push for the option of a people's vote on the deal of how we leave (no deal or bad deal) but try to ensure remain is off the table

 

[buchansleftleg]

McClusky can go feck himself.

I'm not sure he's competent enough to manage that. He actually believes Brexit will create a socialist uprising.

Given that the EU did more to improve working conditions than the UK unions ever managed to achieve it's quite amazing that the unions seem so keen to throw that progress away.

 

[Kentonio]

I'm not sure he's competent enough to manage that. He actually believes Brexit will create a socialist uprising.

Given that the EU did more to improve working conditions than the UK unions ever managed to achieve it's quite amazing that the unions seem so keen to throw that progress away.

If they manage to sabotage the vote tonight, they’ll be paying for it for a very long time.

 

[Adisa]

I'm not sure he's competent enough to manage that. He actually believes Brexit will create a socialist uprising.

Given that the EU did more to improve working conditions than the UK unions ever managed to achieve it's quite amazing that the unions seem so keen to throw that progress away.

Illusion of control. There are some in Labour that think they'll be the ones running things after brexit.

 

[buchansleftleg]

If they manage to sabotage the vote tonight, they’ll be paying for it for a very long time.

Corbyn has the knack of grasping defeat from the jaws of victory then claiming it as the next stage of a socialist revolution.

It's more amateur hour politics if he doesn't grasp this opportunity.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

If they manage to sabotage the vote tonight, they’ll be paying for it for a very long time.

If he circumvents the will of the membership he’ll prove himself to be the type of political fraud his acolytes claimed he would never be.

 

[711]

I'm starting to question this border issue. What would happen if Britain leaves and the Irish government and British government stay true to the GFA and don't put a hard border in place? Who exactly is going to fine either government. Also, why is it primarily the British governments responsibility? Surely it's as much the EUs responsibility as it is Britain's if it is a requirement of WTO rules? I'm just asking what exactly happens if they don't put a hard border in.

It's a good question, who would want a hard border more, Ireland or the UK? I can see Britain would want to have control over a potential immigration route, somewhere, but I've no idea about goods.

 

[Green_Red]

It's a good question, who would want a hard border more, Ireland or the UK? I can see Britain would want to have control over a potential immigration route, somewhere, but I've no idea about goods.

TBH I don't think either want one... I've always said that I think the border issue is a red herring designed to stall any negotiations. How do you solve the unsolvable? The EU played barely any role whatsoever in the GFA and rarely stepped into the ring when the conflict was at its most bloody. In fact, in my own lifetime I have crossed a hard border between NI and Ireland when both Britain and Ireland were members of thr EU... Why now are the EU so concerned about one? That's just my own opinion on it though.

 

[JPRouve]

TBH I don't think either want one... I've always said that I think the border issue is a red herring designed to stall any negotiations. How do you solve the unsolvable? The EU played barely any role whatsoever in the GFA and rarely stepped into the ring when the conflict was at its most bloody. Why now are they so concerned? That's just my own opinion on it though

Because the UK unilaterally decided to take away the tool that allows the GFA to work.

 

[buchansleftleg]

TBH I don't think either want one... I've always said that I think the border issue is a red herring designed to stall any negotiations. How do you solve the unsolvable? The EU played barely any role whatsoever in the GFA and rarely stepped into the ring when the conflict was at its most bloody. In fact, in my own lifetime I have crossed a hard border between NI and Ireland when both Britain and Ireland were members of thr EU... Why now are the EU so concerned about one? That's just my own opinion on it though.

People seem to forget that the GF agreement is an international treaty, agreed under international scrutiny between 2 nations whilst both were in the EU.

It required tacit approval from the EU for that reason, but they steered well clear at the time beacuse it was largely led by Clinton's administration with support from Major and Aherne for both sides.

All of these political heavyweights obviously didn't plan for the UK government making such a ludicrous move as threatening to leave the EU, knowing it would invalidate the GFA.

The EU quite righly points out that this hurdle could be overcome by allowing NI more autonomy and allowing them to remain in EU.

This option would also be requested by Scotland. This would leave England on it's own in Brexit, putting the burden of hard borders firmly onto the English.

So we would have to try and negotiate new trade rules across the world, having just demonstrated to the world that we will ignore treaties as and when it suits a small minority of lunatic fringe within one of our political parties.

I'm not into capital punishment but Cameron should be keelhauled around every inch of the UK coast for fecking up the country so much.

 

[JPRouve]

People seem to forget that the GF agreement is an international treaty, agreed under international scrutiny between 2 nations whilst both were in the EU.

It required tacit approval from the EU for that reason, but they steered well clear at the time beacuse it was largely led by Clinton's administration with support from Major and Aherne for both sides.

All of these political heavyweights obviously didn't plan for the UK government making such a ludicrous move as threatening to leave the EU, knowing it would invalidate the GFA.

The EU quite righly points out that this hurdle could be overcome by allowing NI more autonomy and allowing them to remain in EU.

This option would also be requested by Scotland. This would leave England on it's own in Brexit, putting the burden of hard borders firmly onto the English.

So we would have to try and negotiate new trade rules across the world, having just demonstrated to the world that we will ignore treaties as and when it suits a small minority of lunatic fringe within one of our political parties.

I'm not into capital punishment but Cameron should be keelhauled around every inch of the UK coast for fecking up the country so much.

The lack of consideration for Wales...

 

[711]

People seem to forget that the GF agreement is an international treaty, agreed under international scrutiny between 2 nations whilst both were in the EU.

It required tacit approval from the EU for that reason, but they steered well clear at the time beacuse it was largely led by Clinton's administration with support from Major and Aherne for both sides.

All of these political heavyweights obviously didn't plan for the UK government making such a ludicrous move as threatening to leave the EU, knowing it would invalidate the GFA.

The EU quite righly points out that this hurdle could be overcome by allowing NI more autonomy and allowing them to remain in EU.

This option would also be requested by Scotland. This would leave England on it's own in Brexit, putting the burden of hard borders firmly onto the English.

So we would have to try and negotiate new trade rules across the world, having just demonstrated to the world that we will ignore treaties as and when it suits a small minority of lunatic fringe within one of our political parties.

I'm not into capital punishment but Cameron should be keelhauled around every inch of the UK coast for fecking up the country so much.

Tacit approval's a good one. Makes you wonder why anyone has parliaments and stuff.

 

[JPRouve]

Tacit approval's a good one. Makes you wonder why anyone has parliaments and stuff.

The EU isn't a country, it had and still has little control on internal borders and how member states interact in subjects that aren't within the EU's scope. The issue with the GFA is that the EU becomes de facto a party when the border becomes an external border.

 

[Adisa]

Lol Jeremy "Man of the people" Corbyn going to produce a fudge at the conference.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

The lack of consideration for Wales...

They voted Brexit

 

[JPRouve]

They voted Brexit

I know, it's the "England are on their own" part that amused me.

 

[buchansleftleg]

The lack of consideration for Wales...

Apologies to the Welsh. I did not include them as they largely were pro brexit whereas NI and Scotland were very pro EU. If Wales opted to stay in that moves the border camps to Holyhead maybe?

Isn't it ironic that NI wanted to stay in EU because they saw all the subsidies that Ireland had been given for roads etc over the years but they elect knuckle dragging DUP politicians who are anti evolution and want to return to an enforced day of rest for everyone and lock up the playgrounds on Sunday too!

You wouldn't write it as a farce as no-one would believe you.

 

[Sassy Colin]

Yes

You've gone down in my estimation

 

[Jippy]

I've been very critical of him but starting to see why he's been avoiding it like the plague.
As toxic as brexit is for the Tories, it's even more toxic for Labour.
In terms of sheer numbers, Labour members want to remain but those that voted out are spread across many seats.
It's a pretty fecked up situation.
The sad part is Tory voters wo desperately want to remain, will never vote for Corbyn, no matter how desperate they are. The propensity of losing voters depending on how the party goes is still significantly on Labour's side.
Nationalism is a like a drug that corrods the brain. The fact that there are some Labour voters prepared to vote Tory just for brexit and regardless of austerity is a tragedy .

Eh I dunno actually - the fact Labour won some fairly liberal Tory areas in London in the last election demonstrates there's room for them to pick up disaffected Tories who lean right but despise the more nationalistic elements of the party and who'll prop for Labour if need be, and if they've got a decent local candidate. Similarly there's an argument some Labour voters supported Brexit merely because they want change, and that Corbyn offering change, albeit of an altogether different kind, may allow some to remain with the party. There are still plenty of people out there who just plop for Labour no matter what. Albeit the party shouldn't allow room for complacency in that regard like in Scotland.

My wife and I both voted Labour at the last election for the first time. While I don't care for Corbyn and think he'll be a disaster for the economy, my loathing of May, Boris, Gove, JRM, Davis etc and the party's lurch to the right has completely alienated me.

 

[Kentonio]

God these feckers drive me crazy sometimes! They really think factory workers in Rotherham or steel workers in Sheffield are sitting around demanding action on fecking Palestine? At a time when the country and it’s essential services are on their arses due to austerity? It’s no wonder people think politics doesn’t represent the real world..

 

[Oscie]

You've gone down in my estimation

The most important thing is Brexit. I voted Lib Dem at the last election for that exact reason. Whilst the two main parties have a policy of "We'll promise unicorns and deliver!" I will vote for someone else. If either of the main parties change their position to one where a second referendum with a promise that the status quo (i.e, remain) is on the table then I'll consider voting for whichever one promises that. I've voted Labour at every general and local election since I've been old enough apart from the last GE, but for me Brexit is a matter so important and it transcends normal party loyalties that until it's sorted I can't ever consider anything else when it comes to putting my cross on the ballot paper.

 

[Sweet Square]

God these feckers drive me crazy sometimes! They really think factory workers in Rotherham or steel workers in Sheffield are sitting around demanding action on fecking Palestine? At a time when the country and it’s essential services are on their arses due to austerity? It’s no wonder people think politics doesn’t represent the real world..

 

[Kentonio]

The most important thing is Brexit. I voted Lib Dem at the last election for that exact reason. Whilst the two main parties have a policy of "We'll promise unicorns and deliver!" I will vote for someone else. If either of the main parties change their position to one where a second referendum with a promise that the status quo (i.e, remain) is on the table then I'll consider voting for whichever one promises that. I've voted Labour at every general and local election since I've been old enough apart from the last GE, but for me Brexit is a matter so important and it transcends normal party loyalties that until it's sorted I can't ever consider anything else when it comes to putting my cross on the ballot paper.

Same.

 

[Oscie]

God these feckers drive me crazy sometimes! They really think factory workers in Rotherham or steel workers in Sheffield are sitting around demanding action on fecking Palestine? At a time when the country and it’s essential services are on their arses due to austerity? It’s no wonder people think politics doesn’t represent the real world..

I don't really get why the militant left care so much about the Palestinian issue. It consumes them. Don't get me wrong I'm fully on-board with the idea the Palestinians have been kicked in the bollocks over the years but I don't get why the hard left in the UK seem to view it as the most important issue. More so than workers rights, public services or anything else, which seems odd. It's not wrong for someone to have an opinion, even a strong one, on any issue. But @LeftyPete44 in his bedsit in Sidcup who sits there with his Palestinian flag on the wall viewing it as the most important issue for a UK government led by Jeremy Corbyn to address....I dunno it feels kinda odd.


I'm all up for freeing Tibet too but as a Brit with the current political issues we have, I'd struggle to think of it as a priority. And yet the Palestine issue seems to almost completely define the politics of @LeftyPete44 in his one bedroom flat in Skegness.

 

[Sigma]

I don't really get why the militant left care so much about the Palestinian issue. It consumes them. Don't get me wrong I'm fully on-board with the idea the Palestinians have been kicked in the bollocks over the years but I don't get why the hard left in the UK seem to view it as the most important issue. More so than workers rights, public services or anything else, which seems odd. It's not wrong for someone to have an opinion, even a strong one, on any issue. But @LeftyPete44 in his bedsit in Sidcup who sits there with his Palestinian flag on the wall viewing it as the most important issue for a UK government led by Jeremy Corbyn to address....I dunno it feels kinda odd.


I'm all up for freeing Tibet too but as a Brit with the current political issues we have, I'd struggle to think of it as a priority. And yet the Palestine issue seems to almost completely define the politics of @LeftyPete44 in his one bedroom flat in Skegness.

The Palestine issue symbolises elitism and injustice. Anyway, they are allowed to focus on more than one issue. That tweet has Palestine as the 2nd last issue after the economy, housing and work related issues.

 

[Oscie]

The Palestine issue symbolises elitism and injustice. Anyway, they are allowed to focus on more than one issue. That tweet has Palestine as the 2nd last issue after the economy, housing and work related issues.

Of course they're allowed more than one issue but it is strange how the militant left see it as our/their responsibility to find a solution. If someone ranked as one of their political priorities the drugs war currently undergoing in Colombia it wouldn't mean I was dismissing it as an issue, or suggesting someone couldn't focus on more than one issue at once, if I thought it was odd someone in this country considered that to be one of the most important political issues facing them.

The situation in Myanmar is bleak also, yet if it made it to the top issues discussed at the SNP conference I'd consider it a little odd and with reasonable justification, I think.

 

[Kentonio]

The Palestine issue symbolises elitism and injustice. Anyway, they are allowed to focus on more than one issue. That tweet has Palestine as the 2nd last issue after the economy, housing and work related issues.

You think it’s in the top 8 or for that matter top 20 issues that Labour voters care about?

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Did he really say that? The mouse is a moron.

 

[Stanley Road]

Wonder if I'd be allowed to vote in a 2nd ref

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Wonder if I'd be allowed to vote in a 2nd ref

I would

 

[Adisa]

The most important thing is Brexit. I voted Lib Dem at the last election for that exact reason. Whilst the two main parties have a policy of "We'll promise unicorns and deliver!" I will vote for someone else. If either of the main parties change their position to one where a second referendum with a promise that the status quo (i.e, remain) is on the table then I'll consider voting for whichever one promises that. I've voted Labour at every general and local election since I've been old enough apart from the last GE, but for me Brexit is a matter so important and it transcends normal party loyalties that until it's sorted I can't ever consider anything else when it comes to putting my cross on the ballot paper.

I considered this at the last GE. Then I was in a safe Labour seat. Now, I've moved to a Tory area. Would be helping the Tories if I vote Lib Dem.

 

[sun_tzu]

God these feckers drive me crazy sometimes! They really think factory workers in Rotherham or steel workers in Sheffield are sitting around demanding action on fecking Palestine? At a time when the country and it’s essential services are on their arses due to austerity? It’s no wonder people think politics doesn’t represent the real world..

And what's the odds on somebody saying something that oversteps the ihra guidelines and all of a sudden the focus is on anti-Semitism again...

 

[Stanley Road]

I would

French cnuts cant vote. UK passport holders should be allowed. Not you foreign types.