What is the point for the other 26 countries, what concessions the UK offers? I'm not against the idea but in that case I would ask for zero rebate and no access to the service market.
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What is the point for the other 26 countries, what concessions the UK offers? I'm not against the idea but in that case I would ask for zero rebate and no access to the service market.
The point is to avoid a fecking hard border with Ireland.
They couldn't even bother using the tools the EU already gives to try and control EU immigration.
The reality is quite simple. The UK had been incompetent on immigration and it had hidden such incompetence by shifting all the blame on the EU.
the single market is the EU. A breach in its integrity would mean the end of the EU. The EU is doing its very best to sign a good deal for Ireland but the other side seem not caring at all. If hard borders are up then unfortunately Ireland will have to choose between staying in the EU with hard borders with the UK or leaving the EU altogether and sign a trade deal with the UK on a disadvantaged position
"They won't stop planes landing!"
Turns out the Government says they will.
Turns out the Government says they will.
There's enough concern across the bloc about immigration for the EU to look at again it in all honesty.
Maybe some reform like net migration quotas for each country instead of open door.
That could be a justifiable reason to call a 2nd referendum - considering the 1st was pretty much solely about immigration.
WTO veto might supercede that.
There is barely any concern about EU immigration across the bloc, because there is barely any immigration.
It's only the UK that objects to immigration of other Europeans , they are on their own. The EU won't make concessions on that.
A UK & Irish Bloc with a Canada plus plus deal with the EU
Leave the south out of your mess.
Let's be blunt, a hard border will have zero consequences on the other 26 countries, they didn't create the issue and have no problem with controlled borders(Belgium and France have partially reinstated some in the last years). So the only reason they are actually negotiating on that subject is because they are partners with Ireland who doesn't want nor need a controlled border. Due to the "The EU" narrative people seem to really forget that the UK and Ireland need to sell these negotiations to the rest of the EU member states because for them it's purely diplomatic. So when you suggest that the EU should offer anything that the UK would accept you are basically shitting on 26 sovereign countries.
If Brexit ends with a no deal and there is a hard border in N.I, what is the likeliness that IRA reactivates and starts violence again?
There is that i suppose, but it wont get in the way of Brextremist sound bites and sabre rattling!
I think it's unlikely that we'd see an immediate re-emergence of militancy. However there will be an immediate escalation in cross-border smuggling operations which tend to be linked to former militant networks, and so could feed into any growth in violence that does occur. Right now though there's no stomach for a return to violence, it would take a series of minor mutual provocations to potentially escalate into something bigger - this is actually what happened in the late 60s, but the political, demographic, economic and global context is a lot different now.
No it won't, David Davis was close to suggesting much worse on their tour to Bolton.
The actual provos? Not likely.
Brexit is one of the greatest gifts to republicans politically.
Looks like this is the game Labour want to continue playing.
Thanks @2cents and @Minimalist for your answers.
That's interesting and somewhat hopeful at least. What would be the major items smuggled, and in which directions?
Today it seems to be mainly cigarettes. Presumably after a no deal Brexit and implementation of a hard border you'll have everything from booze to humans.
English nationals toward ROI?
Will the EU accept refugees from impoverished countries?
Yeah thanks, I was wondering which way most of it would go really. Prices seem higher in Eire when I've been, but I don't know if that's taxes or what, pardon my ignorance. People would be the UK's worry of course, that's where all this began.
Thanks to the others too for their hilarious replies.
Sea border...feck the DUP
Yeah thanks, I was wondering which way most of it would go really. Prices seem higher in Eire when I've been, but I don't know if that's taxes or what, pardon my ignorance. People would be the UK's worry of course, that's where all this began.
Thanks to the others too for their hilarious replies.
Prices higher but so are wages
boomI get that, but people won't smuggle wage packets. Or they maybe they will, live in the north and work in the south. I honestly don't know, that's why I was asking.
If NI and Scotland get to vote, London should get one too!
With quotas, why not?
Those who wish to take a holiday in the EU would have to prove they have sufficient funds to support themselves during their stay.
It doesn't take anything from your point but while reading the GFA, I kept asking myself whether the right to self determination stipulated in the agreement could be used in favour of NI and ROI in the particular case of Brexit. While the term "United Ireland" was probably supposed to mean as a recognized nation, you could argue that "united" could also simply mean "not separated" and in that case the people of NI and ROI are the only one allowed to determine their fate, not Westminster.
Scotland right to self determination is outside of an agreement with Westminster, it makes it a little bit more difficult to put forward.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ve-stormont-a-backstop-veto-enrages-eu-envoys
As she tries to kick the can ever further, no deal becomes ever more likely.
As she tries to kick the can ever further, no deal becomes ever more likely.
Is London a country now?
It's the dissidents that are the issue though - they will be targeting some poor bugger at the border check for sure. They still have a lot of support up around Derry and in other spots.
When did London become a country?
I beg to differ
You would also assume that the ability of security services on both sides of the border to co-operate would also be impacted by a no deal. I think things like the EAW are all caught up in these negotiations?
I would have thought that most of the damage of a no deal would likely be in the long term though. Pretty much every factor that might lead to a permanent increase in violence (be it political, economic, structural or cultural) would start heading in the wrong direction.
Can anybody answer a general question about the EU for me? I know from doing some digging recently that past labour politicians (1970's mostly) feared that a United Europe trading behemoth would be bad for workers rights. Has that come to be the case? Does the EU favour employers and boardrooms over worker protections, or is it the opposite?
Workers have more rights but it's mainly down to national governments.
Have you read the guardian today? Apparently 'the worlds greatest trade deal maker' says it can be done and is done every day around the world. If so can we drop the feckin 'it cant be done' stance
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...to-drop-chequers-in-order-to-win-brexit-prize