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[Paul the Wolf]

And the kind of person you are.

I could ask you to explain but the same will probably happen like the last couple of times.

Amazing what people can do judging a person just by them walking into a pub.

By the way I would answer the previous post but you seemed to have assumed my identity.

 

[Barca84]

I could ask you to explain but the same will probably happen like the last couple of times.

Amazing what people can do judging a person just by them walking into a pub.

By the way I would answer the previous post but you seemed to have assumed my identity.

Or the judgement made of the pub by the person walking in there eh?

Now back to the the task at hand...

But we're talking about Brexit and the main reason for Brexit is that the British people don't want foreigners in the UK, not only the illegal ones or those that don't have a right to stay but also the legal ones. That's what Brexit is about.

Still waiting for you to back this up. No more deflection please. Or anecdotes.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

But we're talking about Brexit and the main reason for Brexit is that the British people don't want foreigners in the UK, not only the illegal ones or those that don't have a right to stay but also the legal ones. That's what Brexit is about.

The subject at hand is this..

That's what I've taken you to task on. Part of your response has been to infer that France is more pro foreigner than the UK. You've used your experience of your current place of residence in comparison to your former as some form of anecdotal and highly subjective evidence that the UK is less welcoming. I've provided some data that suggests otherwise.

Stop making things up

You seem to be really struggling differentiating between Europeans and other immigrants and the difference between xenophobia and racism.

You see if somebody voted Brexit to stop freedom of movement they are not voting to stop freedom of movement of Jews, Muslims, Africans, Asians etc, the only foreigners you can not want are Europeans which on the whole are of the same race.

With more anecdotal excerpts from a couple of members of my family - two of them voted Brexit, 1, because there are too many asylum seekers and 2, the Muslim terrorist threat.

Now you're going to tell me what the main reason was, link please, and do not say it is complex, I said the main reason and as you are now resorting to semantics that means the biggest.

Of course you know that people don't lie, link, and that a change from Leave to Remain is a massive move as there were only two possible outcomes but if you prefer significant I sincerely apologise.

 

[Barca84]

You seem to be really struggling differentiating between Europeans and other immigrants and the difference between xenophobia and racism. Nope clearly illustrated upthread. More deflection

You see if somebody voted Brexit to stop freedom of movement they are not voting to stop freedom of movement of Jews, Muslims, Africans, Asians etc, the only foreigners you can not want are Europeans which on the whole are of the same race.

With more anecdotal excerpts from a couple of members of my family - two of them voted Brexit, 1, because there are too many asylum seekers and 2, the Muslim terrorist threat.

Not interested vs weight of professional research of a study of 12,000 people amongst others

Now you're going to tell me what the main reason was, link please, and do not say it is complex, I said the main reason and as you are now resorting to semantics that means the biggest.

Depending on the survey concerns about immigration or sovereignty. The two are linked of course. Survey results are linked upthread and easily found via google.

Of course you know that people don't lie, link,

I haven't said this. Making things up again. You do this a lot

and that a change from Leave to Remain is a massive move as there were only two possible outcomes but if you prefer significant I sincerely apologise

It requires a shift of less than <2%. Significant certainly not massive

You clearly can't justify your statement because its an absurd and unproveable generalisation. And you continue to make things up.

In summary:

• Concerns about immigration do not necessarily mean someone is racist or xenophobic
• Believing that EU nationals should not get a preferential immigration deal does not equate to "british people don't want foreigners in the uk"
• And yes significant has an entirely different meaning to massive

And to be honest an inability to interpret simple data, a readiness to dismiss factual research intelligence and rely instead on groundless personal belief and a handful of anecdotal evidence bears all the hallmarks of your characterisation of the leave vote.

I despair.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

You clearly can't justify your statement because its an absurd and unproveable generalisation. And you continue to make things up.

In summary:

• Concerns about immigration do not necessarily mean someone is racist or xenophobic
• Believing that EU nationals should not get a preferential immigration deal does not equate to "british people don't want foreigners in the uk"
• And yes significant has an entirely different meaning to massive

And to be honest an inability to interpret simple data, a readiness to dismiss factual research intelligence and rely instead on groundless personal belief and a handful of anecdotal evidence bears all the hallmarks of your characterisation of the leave vote.

I despair.

In summary you can't answer, hilarious. Oh dear. You can't answer a simple question. Yet again you'll start resorting to personal insults soon .

You said yourself I am wrong that the main reason people voted for Brexit was about foreigners and thus you will now prove to me that it was in fact .....

And you're right I'm the only person in the whole world who has the impression that the main reason for Brexit was "foreigners".

What does "concerns about immigration" mean then, what is the problem with immigration, you can dig yourself another hole if you so wish.

 

[Barca84]

In summary you can't answer, hilarious. Oh dear. You can't answer a simple question.

I've just answered every point you've put to me.

Yet again you'll start resorting to personal insults soon .

I also haven't personally insulted you although you yourself have spent the entire post referendum period in this thread insulting vast swathes of the populace. So spare me the indignation

You said yourself I am wrong that the main reason people voted for Brexit was about foreigners and thus you will now prove to me that it was in fact .....

Nope I said this was wrong - "But we're talking about Brexit and the main reason for Brexit is that the British people don't want foreigners in the UK, not only the illegal ones or those that don't have a right to stay but also the legal ones. That's what Brexit is about" Spot the difference?

And you're right I'm the only person in the whole world who has the impression that the main reason for Brexit was "foreigners".

I didn't say this. Making things up again.

What does "concerns about immigration" mean then, what is the problem with immigration, you can dig yourself another hole if you so wish.

You could read up on people's concerns about immigration in some of the research just linked but no you dismiss it on the basis that you're convinced they're lying and are in fact just racist and xenophobic.

Thanks for your "poll" of your family as evidence for the true impetus behind Brexit and also the vague anecdotes of unwelcoming UK pubs as some sort of supplementary data. It's frankly all a bit amateur Paul and a bit bizarre from a man who has derided the leave vote for not doing their research. You could even open yourself to accusations of making things up.

Now on to the last resort of a man losing a debate by claiming it's all semantics. Words are important Paul as you should know from all of the above. Look at these two statements:

1. British people don't want foreigners in the UK

2. Some British people don't want some foreigners in the UK

2 questions.

a) Do you think the above means the same, are significantly different or massively different?
b) Which statement is provable by what we know about the referendum result and peoples reasons for voting the way they did?

Good man.

 

[Sweet Square]

There was a report not too long ago showing austerity basically pushed Leave across the winning line.

It's really not as simply as ''kick out Johnny foreigner''

 

[Barca84]

There was a report not too long ago showing austerity basically pushed Leave across the winning line.

It's really not as simply as ''kick out Johnny foreigner''

Some do simply see it that way unfortunately despite all evidence to the contrary

 

[Sweet Square]

Some do simply see it that way unfortunately despite all evidence to the contrary

Here's the article

Had Austerity Not Happened, Leave Support Could Have Been Up To 10% Lower

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/did-austerity-cause-brexit/

And I've posted this a few times on here as well

The British Asian Vote For Brexit Contains A Few Surprises

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/02/20/the-british-asian-vote-for-brexit-contains-a-few-surprises/

Now all of this doesn't mean the Brexit campaign was racist and bigoted because it clearly was but the reasons why the leave won are various and not so easy to dismiss(This is why Brexit is far different to something like Trump).

 

[Mozza]

There was a report not too long ago showing austerity basically pushed Leave across the winning line.

It's really not as simply as ''kick out Johnny foreigner''

Yes, but the effects of austerity was blamed on foreigners 'public services can't cope', 'they're taking our jobs', 'they are all on benefits' etc

 

[Mozza]

Here's the article

Had Austerity Not Happened, Leave Support Could Have Been Up To 10% Lower

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/did-austerity-cause-brexit/

And I've posted this a few times on here as well

The British Asian Vote For Brexit Contains A Few Surprises

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/02/20/the-british-asian-vote-for-brexit-contains-a-few-surprises/

Now all of this doesn't mean the Brexit campaign was racist and bigoted because it clearly was but the reasons why the leave won are various and not so easy to dismiss(This is why Brexit is far different to something like Trump).

British Asians just as susceptible to bull as normal Brits. They were lied to that curbing EU migration would allow greater non EU migration

 

[Sweet Square]

Yes, but the effects of austerity was blamed on foreigners 'public services can't cope', 'they're taking our jobs', 'they are all on benefits' etc

That ''They'' wasn't just about foreigners it also included poor brits as well.

British Asians just as susceptible to bull as normal Brits. They were lied to that curbing EU migration would allow greater non EU migration

Yeah so it isn't all about immigration control(Although again a lot of it was), I also heard this argument from white brits as well.

Brexit is about a million things - Immigration, racism, xenophobia but also English nationalism, looking for political alternative, the death of the Union etc.

 

[Mozza]

That ''They'' wasn't just about foreigners it also included poor brits as well.

Not for the referendum vote

Yeah so it isn't all about immigration control(Although again a lot of it was), I also heard this argument from white brits as well.

Brexit is about a million things - Immigration, racism, xenophobia but also English nationalism, looking for political alternative, the death of the Union etc.

British Asians don't see the Asians of their homeland as foreigners, they are just people from back home. Eastern Europeans are foreigners

 

[Sweet Square]

Not for the referendum vote

Well yeah but there was politics before the referendum vote as well which contributed to leave wining.

British Asians don't see the Asians of their homeland as foreigners, they are just people from back home. Eastern Europeans are foreigners

I'm not getting your point. The allowing of greater non EU migration is a anti migration control stance and was framed that way in a referendum, the leave vote actually framed it as some sort of disgusting empire nostalgia. We can't just file this under xenophobia, yes xenophobia played its part but it's also the the warped view of the history of the British Empire, how minorities adapt and see themselves in Britain and English nationalism.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

There was a report not too long ago showing austerity basically pushed Leave across the winning line.

It's really not as simply as ''kick out Johnny foreigner''

Presume you at least can differentiate between main reason and the only reason. In other news austerity was caused by the EU? The Uk have just finished it but they're still in the EU.

 

[Sweet Square]

Presume you at least can differentiate between main reason and the only reason.

There's a good case that austerity was one of the main reasons. I can't be arsed looking back at your arguing but did you mention austerity as being on of the major causes ?

In other news austerity was caused by the EU? The Uk have just finished it but they're still in the EU.

What are you on about here ?

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Thanks for your "poll" of your family as evidence for the true impetus behind Brexit and also the vague anecdotes of unwelcoming UK pubs as some sort of supplementary data. It's frankly all a bit amateur Paul and a bit bizarre from a man who has derided the leave vote for not doing their research. You could even open yourself to accusations of making things up.

Now on to the last resort of a man losing a debate by claiming it's all semantics. Words are important Paul as you should know from all of the above. Look at these two statements:

1. British people don't want foreigners in the UK

2. Some British people don't want some foreigners in the UK

2 questions.

a) Do you think the above means the same, are significantly different or massively different?
b) Which statement is provable by what we know about the referendum result and peoples reasons for voting the way they did?

Good man.

I am losing the debate, haha. What was the main reason again?

Yes of course all the Remainers voted for Brexit and all the Brexiters are xenophobes, is that what you want to hear.

Someone posted the reasons for Brexit which you ignored, oh yes concerns about immigration, would that be immigration of pot noodles, Yorkshire Terriers or foreigners.
As has been shown the government have control over immigration, so what are the concerns. EU citizens make a net contribution, non-EU immigrants don't, maybe the concern is in the wrong place.

Still waiting for your evidence that French people have "concerns" about EU citizens.

Do you read your news in the paper delivered by your paperboy or your media distribution officer and does your rubbish get collected by your waste disposal officer or your dustman.
Personal anecdotes are now not accepted, you read too much into them and make things up but you ignore research unless it suits your agenda.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

There's a good case that austerity was one of the main reasons. I can't be arsed looking back at your arguing but did you mention austerity as being on of the major causes ?


What are you on about here ?

I said the main reason was about foreigners, I didn't mention what number 2 , 3 and 4 were.

As people voted leave because of austerity caused by ... and leaving the EU would have changed that? makes no sense.

 

[Sweet Square]

I said the main reason was about foreigners, I didn't mention what number 2 , 3 and 4 were.

Out of interest what do you think are the other reasons ?

As people voted leave because of austerity caused by ... and leaving the EU would have changed that? makes no sense.

Well welcome to the Brexit debate. If you cut peoples way of living and the way they function in society while enriching yourself(class war)for years all while putting the blame on immigrates, disable people, even poorer people on benefits, the EU and propagandising the way the economy works then yes people are going to be very confused. It's in fact the conservative & liberal EU supporters(Basically you paul)who made leaving the EU possible.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Out of interest what do you think are the other reasons ?

Well welcome to the Brexit debate. If you cut peoples way of living and the way they function in society while enriching yourself(class war)for years all while putting the blame on immigrates, disable people, even poorer people on benefits, the EU and propagandising the way the economy works then yes people are going to be very confused. It's in fact the the conservative & liberal EU supporters(Basically you paul)who made leaving the EU possible.

I am not disputing that people voted for numerous reasons, like belief that their life will be better if they left the EU, that the NHS will improve, desperation, that certain groups of people they believe are responsible for their plight . I know the reasons , my big gripe with the whole thing that if they didn't believe the papers, the lying leave campaign I would have expected the result to have been significantly different. People being so gullible is incomprehensible.

I am actually more infuriated now, the evidence is there , even the government have made public what would happen in the event of a no deal Brexit but apparently not a massive number of people have changed their mind, haha.

 

[Sweet Square]

I am actually more infuriated now, the evidence is there , even the government have made public what would happen in the event of a no deal Brexit but apparently not a massive number of people have changed their mind, haha.

I can why people voted for it in the first place but yes now we sort of know(We really don't know how bad it could get)it's just plan stupid and dangerous(The NL border) to actively support any no deal situation.

 

[Klopper76]

 

[ShadesOfTomato]

The knuckle draggers will be having kittens if true.

 

[Sweet Square]

Isn't this just Labour plan ?

 

[alsabi]

Sunday Times front page on this: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrHCfshWkAAVkM4.jpg:large

 

[Sweet Square]

Yeah some of that sounds like complete bollocks.

 

[alsabi]

 

[Mozza]

How is that a concession?

 

[Stanley Road]

The knuckle draggers will be having kittens if true.

Tory voters?

 

[4bars]

Wait, so it seems (if true) that the UK will be out of the EU, but will be in the CU, will be freedom of movement (no border) and presumably will keep paying and will not have a vote and that is a concession from the EU? or I understood wrong?

 

[4bars]

I've posted multiple times now that xenophobia has been a factor in the Brexit vote. Nobody denies that. The extent of that xenophobia and of outright racism, which despite Paul's recent protestations has long been an accusation he's leveled at the leave vote, is highly debatable. I've taken specific and particular disagreement with a statement by Paul and been quite clear about the basis on which I've done that. It's a narrative he's been peddling on here for years and it needs pulling up.

What I will say is completely my opinion. I believe most of the people is xenophobic to a certain degree. Also I believe most of the people do not have any problem with a foreigner in a neutral or positive environment. Is even nice to meet someone from somewhere else, share experiences or simply you don't mind. But when you get the sensation that this person is affecting negatively your life, and is part of a collective that you think have less rights than you for the sole fact that is not born in your area, then is when you have a problem with them, even if is just a liiiitle bit that might not affect really much your perception....but it does. And that doesn't only happen between countries. It happens city vs countryside, neighbouring towns/cities, even neighbourhoods in big cities (and not that big)

So, for the ones that wants to sell the narrative that immigration is a problem, they only need to fan the flames of it and making this little bit of xenophobia, bigger, and the ones that are already xenophobic, being straight assholes on the topic. We had been seeing that lately everywhere and yes UK included.

Till here I just said what is obvious (I think)

My believe is that Brexit is deeply xenophobic, I don't see for which reason UK would vote against the EU. someone appeals ignorance, and yes, but is xenophobic ignorance. in my opinion there are 2 big topics.

- They appeal to foreigners stealing jobs=Xenophobic.
- Taking back control of the country as other countries deciding on and badly for the UK, like foreign stupidity, deliberately wanting to harm the UK or other reasons ignoring that most of the rules, UK had a big saying and some of them, related to immigration were not enforcing them=Xenophobic.
- Foreigners taking advantage of UK benefits. Not being seen as a problem that a brittish takes advantage nor that for example there are less spanish people in UK than brittish in the UK and that the first are mostly young and healthy and paying taxes and the latest are mostly old and using the spanish health care system and liberating the brittish of that burden=Xenophobic

Even me I made some assumptions and some comments that are xenophobic.

You are saying that:
"It's a narrative he's been peddling on here for years and it needs pulling up."

Good luck with that, you are asking proves to Paul, you can't prove the opposite neither.

Even in your link, that is completely not about what we are discussing, because this article is about brittish as a whole, and not leavers, that is what Paul was saying, you just picked what suit your opinion and I can do the same:

http://nationalconversation.uk/wp-c...onversation-exec-summary-2018-09-v2-PRINT.pdf

Many of the concerns about
immigration centred on sovereignty and the UK government’s lack of control over EU migration
flows, or the belief that immigration regulations were not enforced

It shows that Many have at a certain degree xenophobia for the EU immigrants

A majority of the online survey respondents chose either the minimum or the maximum score: almost
one-third (31%) gave a score of 1 out of 10 and a quarter (23%) gave a score of 10 out of 10. This
helps to explain the highly polarised nature of online debate. These most strongly-held views were
much rarer in the nationally representative ICM research, where just 15% of the ICM sample chose
either end of the spectrum: in ICM’s representative poll, just 8% chose the lowest score of one, and
just 7% the highest score of ten.
Figure 1 below shows the responses to the open online survey and nationally representative ICM
research together, highlighting the difference between online debate and overall public opinion.

You speak about balancers. I speak that the top "haters" are 31% and the top "lovers" are 23%. In a voting, that would be de decisive factor as the rest of 46% would be balanced and therefore, a majority of Xenophobics would win. Thats what a majority is called.

And that with BRITTISH POPULATION, not Leavers, that is what we are discussing. I am sure that if we would only take leavers, that balancers would go to another scale

And another one:

Most people want EU migration to be better managed

If that is not a sentence in your own link that Most of the people in the UK are xenophobic at a certain degree with the EU immigrants I don't know whatelse can be

And I repeat, the study refers to brittish, remain and leave, not only leave

One of the few things related with Leavers that I saw is this:"

In contrast 53% of
Leave voters believed that the UK should not offer a preferential immigration deal to the EU, even if
business would lose out, compared with 16% of Remain voters

That is not only majority, but absolutely majority negative towards EU immigration

You can discuss shadows of greys on my comments, but definitely you will not "pull up any narrative" with that even if you think you need to.

Opinions are based in our on reality, our own sources and environment, and there are many that have that opinion and as difficult is proof that is the reality as is impossible to measure the entire population, specially when some people they are not even aware that are xenophobic, the same way you will not be able to proof the oposite

What I think we can agree, being the MAINLY reason or not, is that Xenophobia was an important part of it

 

[Adisa]

It's not really a concession.

 

[Barca84]

What I think we can agree, being the MAINLY reason or not, is that Xenophobia was an important part of it

A fool would state otherwise.

However you have completely misunderstood the reason for my interjection. I called this following statement to be patently false:

"British people don't want foreigners in the UK"

It is provably false and has been upthread.

It would be true to state that "some British people don't want some foreigners in the UK" This we know and it is absurd to argue otherwise.

Your definition of xenophobia does not equate to the accepted which would encompass a broad spectrum of accepted linguistic definitions to include irrational fear or hatred, dislike and/ore prejudice against foreigners.

"Most people want EU migration to be managed" does not meet this definition. What this tells us is that most people want EU migration to be managed. Their reasons for doing so are explored in the research and will no doubt include, but not be wholly concerned with, xenophobic attitudes

"In contrast 53% of Leave voters believed that the UK should not offer a preferential immigration deal to the EU, even if business would lose out, compared with 16% of Remain voters"

As above. A percentage of that 53% will no doubt be voting due to their xenophobia, as meets accepted definition, but all that we are sure of is that 53% are saying that the UK should not offer a preferential deal to the EU.

This is not semantics - this is simple and fundamental interpretation of really basic data.

Added to this we have the linked substantial research into why people voted a certain way with the summary findings seemingly at odds with your own and with Paul's. That's your prerogative but personally I'll take that summary at face value rather than stick my fingers in my ears, claim people are lying, and produce a poll of two members of my family as some sort of counter argument

 

[Stanley Road]

I don't know but im going to assume these areas voted leave.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/03/roma-tire-shouldering-blame-boiling-pot-communities

 

[Paul the Wolf]

A fool would state otherwise.

However you have completely misunderstood the reason for my interjection. I called this following statement to be patently false:

"British people don't want foreigners in the UK"

It is provably false and has been upthread.

It would be true to state that "some British people don't want some foreigners in the UK" This we know and it is absurd to argue otherwise.

Your definition of xenophobia does not equate to the accepted which would encompass a broad spectrum of accepted linguistic definitions to include irrational fear or hatred, dislike and/ore prejudice against foreigners.

"Most people want EU migration to be managed" does not meet this definition. What this tells us is that most people want EU migration to be managed. Their reasons for doing so are explored in the research and will no doubt include, but not be wholly concerned with, xenophobic attitudes

"In contrast 53% of Leave voters believed that the UK should not offer a preferential immigration deal to the EU, even if business would lose out, compared with 16% of Remain voters"

As above. A percentage of that 53% will no doubt be voting due to their xenophobia, as meets accepted definition, but all that we are sure of is that 53% are saying that the UK should not offer a preferential deal to the EU.

This is not semantics - this is simple and fundamental interpretation of really basic data.

Added to this we have the linked substantial research into why people voted a certain way with the summary findings seemingly at odds with your own and with Paul's. That's your prerogative but personally I'll take that summary at face value rather than stick my fingers in my ears, claim people are lying, and produce a poll of two members of my family as some sort of counter argument

I agree totally with @4bars
You keep ignoring facts - you only see what you want to see.

Theresa May has said the UK voted to leave the EU and the UK will be leaving the EU on 29th March and it is the will of the people, you had better send a letter quickly to her to say that Barca84 is not leaving the EU, didn't vote to leave and it's not your will.
I'm sure she'll be sympathetic to your pedantic semantics.

You quote some survey which has radically different results and even quotes exactly what I said.
This survey has only a marginal relevance to EU immigration as the majority is about overall immigration.

Does your argument about the 53% means that it is only European immigrants that are objected to and what is the objection, what's wrong with them.
Let everybody in , eh?

You can answer one of my polls:
5 people go for a job interview.
Let's say yourself , let's say you're a local lad from Manchester.
4 other people, one from Scotland with a deep scottish accent, one from Norwich with a broad accent, one from Holland with a slight Dutch accent, one from Bulgaria with a Bulgarian accent.
Each are equally qualified and would all be paid the same salary.
On a scale of 1 to 10 how upset would you be if
1. The Scottish guy got the job
2. The guy from Norwich got the job
3. The Dutch guy got the job.
4. The Bulgarian guy got the job


You don't like people's personal experiences, how about we pool them all together. If I recall correctly you don't like experience of people on social media, comments on newspapers because they don't represent real life ,only your survey counts even though it is largely off subject.

And you still can't prove that I'm wrong.

You still can't disprove a thing I've said.

Here's another one for you, I've personally travelled in and out of the UK hundreds of times and not once I have walked straight through the border.
How unlucky am I, it's only a personal anecdote so therefore the UK borders must be open, take control of our borders because the only person who is stopped is Paul the Wolf, do all the rest just walk through unchallenged?

Remember the only 2% approx that has swayed the result despite the drastic warnings by the government what will happen to the economy. Can we safely assume that the rubbish spouted about how the economy will be better off outside the EU can be dispelled, another lie possibly? One other reason ruled out? No-one still come up with any rules that devastate their lives, and I saw yesterday on the BBC that the proportion of people who voted Leave as a protest vote was negligible. If people understood how the EU worked then they wouldn't be talking about how much more democratic the UK system is.
Don't seem to have many reasons left.

Your words:
"British people don't want foreigners in the UK"

It is provably false and has been upthread.

Therefore you are saying that British people do want foreigners in the UK, problem solved, no need for HOPE/HATE, no need to stop FoM, everyone's welcome.

 

[Mozza]

The very fact that the reddest of red lines about our future relationship with the EU is the ending of FOM proves that at least in the government's mind, stopping foreigners coming into the country, is what the electorate voted for. Economic considerations comes 2nd

 

[Stanley Road]

Why does stopping fom mean stopping foreigners? Most of the people i work with are from asia or south africa. They apply for jobs here, get the job then apply for visas. Whats wrong with that system?

 

[Mozza]

Why does stopping fom mean stopping foreigners? Most of the people i work with are from asia or south africa. They apply for jobs here, get the job then apply for visas. Whats wrong with that system?

Expensive and time consuming

 

[Sassy Colin]

Wait, so it seems (if true) that the UK will be out of the EU, but will be in the CU, will be freedom of movement (no border) and presumably will keep paying and will not have a vote and that is a concession from the EU? or I understood wrong?

May as well just stay in the EU, best for everyone.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Why does stopping fom mean stopping foreigners? Most of the people i work with are from asia or south africa. They apply for jobs here, get the job then apply for visas. Whats wrong with that system?

Latest UK migration stats
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/august2018

You will see the rate of EU immigration has been steadily falling - even last year EU8 countries was a net reduction.
Look at the immigration from non-EU - increasing significantly and especially from Asia.

Wait until the UK try to do deals with Asian countries.