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She’s as stubborn as a mule, like a WWI general sticking to a plan even though it makes no sense.

I hate the way she claims to know what “the British people want”. She means the OAPs who attend the Tory party conference?
 
Smores said:
She's a sweaty quavering mess.

The line she just trotted out that no one has given her an alternative. No one else has been negotiating with the EU you idiot
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To be fair, Mogg and his crew are about having their cake and eating it or walking away like children.
 
JPRouve said:
You said that Brexit was about sovereignty. Which means that you expected to gain more sovereignty, the issue is that you didn't lose any sovereignty as a member of the EU. As members of the EU, the UK were decision and policy makers.
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And we had a veto. :(
 
There's never any point in asking Theresa May questions. Ffs.
 
MoskvaRed said:
She’s as stubborn as a mule, like a WWI general sticking to a plan even though it makes no sense.

I hate the way she claims to know what “the British people want”. She means the OAPs who attend the Tory party conference?
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The Brexit vote was 52% yes to 48% no - to me this is not decisive enough to make such a fundamental and difficult to undo move for the country

People didn’t really know what they were voting for and some of the information they based their votes on has since proven to be wrong

If they'd let 16-18 year olds vote, as many people wanted, that probably would have tipped the balance the other way

If they’d disallowed OAPs from voting, who won’t really bear the impact of the move, that would have tipped the balance

Ditto for ex Pats

If they re-ran it now, it would probably go the other way - even a lot of leave voters didn’t vote for this

Crazy if we go through with this madness
 
JPRouve said:
I suspect that a lot of people don't know the chronology. They only recently learned about the commission(administrative arm) and think that it's a new thing when in reality it's their since the early 50s. The preamble of the Treaty of Rome(1957) makes it clear, not only it stipulates that the members are determined to lay the foundations for an ever-closer union but also mentions the ambition to develop and strengthen the union economically and socially.

The EU has never been a secret.
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Exactly. It's not only that the British people have never had the EU explained to them but they don't want to know what the explanation is.
 
Worst leader since Moyes.
 
diarm said:
What is it about modern British politicians that leads you to believe you would be better off with more sovereignty?

I'm sure you understand that even if you go it entirely alone, there will be rules you will be expected to adhere to? If you want to trade with the EU or anyone else you will have to meet certain regulations - only if you go it alone, you will have less influence on setting those regulations.

I've heard quite a few people claim they are better than the racists/xenophobes because they voted Brexit for sovereignty. But at least the racist feckers understand what it is they wanted when they were voting. The poor unfortunates who seem to think Britain is still an empire and should still be writing one set of rules for themselves to live by and another set for the rest of the world are truly lost.
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Honestly excellent post. They want the past and nothing more than that. I've avoided saying it until now but anyone who voted leave is an idiot, not because they voted leave but because they didn't realise the overall implications it would take to get them out of the EU. If you believed the lies then shame on you. I personally can only hope that no murders occur up north because of this and that is the best we can hope for.
 
"I've made it quite that my priority is hanging onto my job as desperately as the hand that grabbed the girl's ankle in Carrie."
 
I wear a poppy because I respect the soldiers but also I want to tear down the things that brought us peace.
 
JPRouve said:
Honestly I don't know what was THE basis for the referendum. But I have heard too many people in all of Europe claim that the EU changed its initial plan, it's one incredible lie because you can easily prove that it's wrong, it's on the second page of the Treaty of Rome, the first page has "The Treaty of Rome - 25 March 1957" written on it, you don't even need to make an effort and read dozens of pages.
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The referendum was the product of a coterie of sovereignty fanatics and extreme ultra Thatcherites exploiting hostility to immigration to get a minority issue blown up into a national crisis, enabled by a useful idiot PM (Cameron) and an atypically agnostic Labour leader and then distorted by Russian money and disinformation. The idea that people in the small towns of Lancashire or Lincolnshire are strongly worked up over points of constitutional law is not even worth commenting on.
 
Her job is to lead. Not to blindly follow a three year old referendum where the country was lied to and, even then, was pretty much only a 50/50 split.

She's a disgrace.
 
I don't understand this woman at all. If she resigns though, what's the alternative? Is there any better alternative? Not in the Tory part I certainly don't think and not and the current head of the Labour party.
 
Simbo said:
I don't understand this woman at all. If she resigns though, what's the alternative? Is there any better alternative? Not in the Tory part I certainly don't think and not and the current head of the Labour party.
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Think that’s part of why she refuses to budge. For all the talk, no one can actually challenge her when push comes to shove.
 
Irish Jet said:
I’d use the term principled more than honest with Corbyn – Relative to most politicians that is. He’s definitely learning to play the game now though.

Everything you’ve described is simply politics. He’s playing to the fantasy land that the Brexit deal was knowing it’s not a deal he’ll ever be accountable for. He knows taking a hard stance either way would alienate 50% of the country and potentially destroy any chance of beating the Tories down the line.

Why would he take the honest approach? That is literally what May has just done and 90% of the country is tearing into her.

To be honest would be for him to say “I’ll honour the wishes of the British people but I would also add that you’re a bunch of stupid c*nts.”
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Labour’s Brexit policy is either a simple appeasement of their racist base or two crusty old socialists manoeuvring to secure a hard Brexit, watching the country crash and burn so they can take take power and fulfil their socialist fantasies from the 1970s.

Not sure how either are principled.
 
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