We have forever to talk about the economic direction of the country and just under 4 months to avoid Brexit. Right now I’ll take any supporters from any party who’ll oppose it, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to be supporting their economic ideas afterwards. This is a cliff edge event, and I’m fecked if I’m ok with falling off it because everyone’s too busy squabbling about which road we should have taken to reach the cliff.
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We have forever to talk about the economic direction of the country and just under 4 months to avoid Brexit. Right now I’ll take any supporters from any party who’ll oppose it, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to be supporting their economic ideas afterwards. This is a cliff edge event, and I’m fecked if I’m ok with falling off it because everyone’s too busy squabbling about which road we should have taken to reach the cliff.
The deal is based on May's red lines, if the red lines change, so will the deal
Because there are people out there who blame the EU for problems caused by austerity. You can't not mention domestic politics in this debate
Cox has an incredible voice.
The only real red line May had was to end free movement. Labour has the same position.
Good luck with that as a slogan for a second referendum. People saying that for the last decade worked wonders at the last one.
You can if you're one of the People's Vote masses. Mostly because people would then wonder why they should listen to the very people who have repeatedly voted for austerity, long before Brexit came along, at the second vote they're trying to get.
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Change to what? The only deal better than this is to remain.
In order to gain sovereignty, you have to destroy it. Or something.
Whereas they’re absolutely fine following the lead of the Tory far right who cheerlead for Brexit?
Well....this is going to get interesting.
I don't know how we get there but this must happen, a referendum must happen.
It completely pulls the rug out of Mays risking a no deal ploy which is great.
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Significant indeed. This isn't the final court ruling but they go with the Advocate-General's opinion most of the time. If upheld this would ironically be the only scenario where the UK could actually 'take back control' - a future trade deal would be subject to 27 member states' vetoes, as would any attempt to rejoin down the road.
Yes, very interesting development. A few permutations there. This is becoming like some weird platform game.
Law officer says UK can cancel Brexit
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46428579
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46428579
From the beeb
Bank of England governor Mark Carney says ts recent forecasts of the impact of Brexit were not something the central bank came up with overnight.
"There's no exam crisis. We didn't say up all night," he says.
In fact, he says a core team of 20 senior economists worked on it for a couple of years, 150 different professionals across the Bank were also drawn in and then the report was reviewed by both the Monetary Policy Committee and the Bank's Financial Policy Committee.
Load of bollox. David Davis knows more than that lot put together....
Bank of England governor Mark Carney says ts recent forecasts of the impact of Brexit were not something the central bank came up with overnight.
"There's no exam crisis. We didn't say up all night," he says.
In fact, he says a core team of 20 senior economists worked on it for a couple of years, 150 different professionals across the Bank were also drawn in and then the report was reviewed by both the Monetary Policy Committee and the Bank's Financial Policy Committee.
Load of bollox. David Davis knows more than that lot put together....
Imagine how great it would be to unilaterally repeal Brexit and the our lives stop becoming dominated by Brexit. One can but hope.
Imagine a newscast with no Brexit news!
Imagine a newscast with no Brexit news!
I'd be ecstatic to wave goodbye to the words 'Brexit' and also 'mathematically impossible'.
Well Jo Johnson, a man who has literally never voted in favour of the UK's membership of the EU, or EU nationals right to remain in the UK - had a special event held in his honour. They even got Gary Lineker to pop along and softball interview him.
Enemy of my enemy. It’s a temporary thing to get what we want. Needs must.
Hoping the phrase 'the will of the people' can be consigned to the bin too.So in light of this news:
When May fails in parliament and there is no time or patience from the EU left to re-negotiate, meanwhile the economic forecasts continue to be terrible and companies either threaten to or actually leave the UK in anticipation of a no-deal Brexit. The chances of a no-deal vs cost/negotiation-free remain referendum should be pretty good then?
When May fails in parliament and there is no time or patience from the EU left to re-negotiate, meanwhile the economic forecasts continue to be terrible and companies either threaten to or actually leave the UK in anticipation of a no-deal Brexit. The chances of a no-deal vs cost/negotiation-free remain referendum should be pretty good then?
The only 'temporary thing to get what we want' is Jo Johnson's interest in remaining in the EU for some easy PR. It's working a treat, they've already forgotten the role he had in appointing eugenics fanboy Toby Young.
No deal v Remain!!
With one major problem (at least as I see it)
The only people who can legislate for a second referendum are the government
May says she wont... and if she did I suspect the 48 letters would go in so quick she wouldnt be able to follow through on it ... result is most probably a eurosceptic leader who will just go full hard on Brexit
Found this from a stackexchange thread: https://rodrik.typepad.com/dani_rodriks_weblog/2007/06/the-inescapable.html
In a weird sort of way, this might make it easier for May to pass her shit deal.
Imagine what's going through the minds of some Tories hearing this?
Interesting development. Obviously none of this is binding and we need to wait for the actual ECJ ruling, but it does look like the hard Brexiteers' "no deal" dream is in serious jeopardy - there will never be a majority in Parliament for it and MPs can now (probably) block it from happening, if necessary.
Also free trade and the cfp and other shite.
If push came to shove I think Labour would allow free movement
More like Norway, who are pretty much in the EU without being in it
Surely you don't need anything to happen for a "no deal" dream, as since Article 50 was pulled, if nothing happens we just crash out?
But it's not, customs checks still there which will kill the UK, plus services not covered sufficiently.
You still have no say, no seats in parliament , still pay contributions.
At least with May's deal the Uk is still in the customs union etc but doesn't have a say until NI is resolved which it never can be. There is only one sensible solution an that is remain in the EU.
My ratings on a scale of 1 to 10 where staying in the EU is 10.
May's deal is minus 27
EEA deal is minus 75
Canada deal is minus 256
No deal is minus 468.
Actually just saw this as well
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...l-brexit-outcomes-for-uk-say-eu-sources-rules
I'm sure the country is devastated.
Wasn't even planning on watching.
It would have been garbage anyway. Neither wanted a genuine debate on the subject and it would have been a sham.
So, it's going to be on ITV?
Held in contempt, that's a warning shot for the Brexit vote
Legal advice has to be published infull.