Fair enough.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
The state of this world with Trump and Johnson at the forefront is terrifying. Comrade Vlad will be laughing his ass off.
Money well spent..
All it took was a couple dozen with bad English sitting in a decrepit building with old computers and dial up internet.
Or playing the headmaster's sausage jockey
It is possible may might try to go for a ge rather than resign
Gut feel though she would put party first and fall on her sword (entirely possible she gashes that up as well though given her incompetence to date)
They = the politicians who have to figure this out.
The EU's primary aim is to avoid an open back door into the UK. I think we'll see in time how much they care about the rest of it.
Yeah good post, Mogg could probably get one of the top jobs by supporting Boris or Gove.
Predictable deflection there.
Currently 2/1 for her to lose the VONC
I’m currently teetering on hoping she wins just because if the likes of BJ gets in then it’s full steam ahead regardless of cost to the country
'Things Can Only Get Better' would be good for a chuckle..
“The Only Way Is Up” or “Vindaloo”
That wasn't some defence of the Tories by the way.
It was reference to the fact that in spite of all that the Conservatives have said and done, a Corbyn-led Labour still doesn't convince the electorate.
Just chatting about the Tory shitshow in the office and conversation turned to the referendum. Receptionist piped up 'what do we even get from the EU for our money?' I started reeling off free movement, reciprocal healthcare, billions in trade, workers rights, statutory sick pay... She actually ran away when I asked her if she had received her annual tax statement as I just got mine and my EU contribution was less than £50 
Thankfully we're not a dictatorship. They won't be allowed to wreck the country.
It might get too close for comfort but i don't for a second believe under that under the threat of no deal that we wouldn't see alternative motions passed or even just an extension.
Was her being fecking useless at her job before the Brexit debacle kicked off also part of the play?
If so, when does the actor become consumed by the part they are playing?
I think you're right and also, the earth is flat, the Illuminati are real, and vaccinations are fake news.
Yeah, but the 'commands a majority' bit is going to be a significant problem.
BJ or anybody else would be unable to get a no-deal through the Commons anyway so I wouldn't worry.
The spirit of the GFA is that Ireland, as a whole, and separately, is entitled to self-determination. A large number of the population hold Irish/EU passports, and see themselves as Irish. Many unionists in the north want no hard border either, see the statements of the business community etc...
Seems like some Brexit people are only noticing now (that it has become a stone in their shoe) the Irish Peace Process and the various agreements brokered over the past half century. Peter Brooke: Britain has no "selfish strategic or economic interest" in Northern Ireland. Downing Street Declaration in 1993: "The British Government agree that it is for the people of the island of Ireland alone, by agreement between the two parts respectively, to exercise their right of self-determination on the basis of consent, freely and concurrently given, North and South, to bring about a united Ireland, if that is their wish".
Oh god, I guess if that's what it takes...
A quick worry as I've been tuning this out for my own sanity and ignoring due diligence:
If May loses the vote it's likely that a brexiteer will take over the party reins no? If that's the case, and May's deal isn't brought before/doesn't pass Parliament, then surely all the new leader has to do to get a hard Brexit is stall until article 50 naturally concludes in the spring.
Can someone explain why this isn't true.
I think she has a lot of support across the country and the voters will not forget this deed from a bunch of lazy, gutless, self-indulgent tossers.
Nope. You bought a Brexit turkey, still full of guts, but inedible. In gross terms yes, the UK has made a significant contribution to the EU budget. This is because it is one of the four largest economies in the EU. But the UK has consistently paid less than France and Italy, not to mention Germany. As a share of gross national income, the UK has paid the least of all member states into the EU budget. This is principally down to Thatcher's 1985 UK rebate. So yes, all countries contribute to the EU, and all countries get benefits. You have to subtract one from the other...
The outcome of the agreement was inevitable in my view. Prior to the negotiations the only thing I couldn't work out was how they solved the Irish border and they came up with the backstop. Otherwise it is exactly as I thought.
If the UK want to leave, they can't have the benefits even though Brexiters apparently expect them without any of the conditions.
May well be a poor PM but I don't see what any other PM could have done and even though she was supposed to be a Remainer, firstly she clearly dislikes foreigners and secondly I think she has actually tried to do her best for the UK.
Her mistake is pretending to the British people that any other outcome was possible.
Getting rid of May will probably make things worse. No deal becoming almost certain imo.
If May goes, is there any possibility of her being replaced by someone who is pro a second referendum?
I don’t think there are enough hard brexiteers in the Tory party for a hard Brexit candidate to win the vote. They are a vocal minority. The problem is that the Tory party is split 3 ways on Brexit so they can never get any of their options through on their own.
Don't see anyone having the guts to offer a second referendum and moreover any of the main players who actually want one.
Just chatting about the Tory shitshow in the office and conversation turned to the referendum. Receptionist piped up 'what do we even get from the EU for our money?' I started reeling off free movement, reciprocal healthcare, billions in trade, workers rights, statutory sick pay... She actually ran away when I asked her if she had received her annual tax statement as I just got mine and my EU contribution was less than £50
These benefits are what everyone should have been talking about in the remain camp, and what we should be talking about now. Do you have a list of them somewhere?
I think it will be another middle ground candidate.
A vote of no confidence would pass the house to prevent this from happening or a bill could be put forward by the opposition to withdraw or request extension of A50
And if any new leader did call a 2nd ref - another 48 letters would go in pronto.
Nicky Morgan may put herself forward on such a basis but i don't think she'd carry enough support.
If this situation came you'd hope enough moderate Conservatives would put the country above their party and back a Vote of No Confidence to allow a GE or second Referendum
It presumably wouldn't matter. If they're voted in on the basis of a second referendum they'd then also win any leadership challenge bemoaning this
Art 50 was not just conceived for the UK but for all nations that wanted to leave. UK has the peculiarity of the GFA.
The UK are still leaving the EU on 29th March which was what was voted for.
The problem is leaving the CU and SM which was known before the referendum but everyone ignored and should have been thought about more carefully before having the referendum and the truth told to the electorate.