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I'd hardly call it a massive win.
She's surrendered her leadership for the next election because she's accepted the fact that her party doesn't believe they can win with her as leader.
How many people changed their vote because of that?
A third of her party doesn't believe in her.
Her deal, that she has put all her faith in, has no chance of getting through the commons.
She is in a desperately bad situation.
Feels like UK politics is in such a weird place that whoever instigates a ge might end up a big loser due to protest votes. No one has a clue what to do anymore
It’s condescending attitudes like this that were a massive factor in leave winning the referendum.
Was sat on a train home (I do live in Tory lands) and when 9 hit, I heard "ahh, great news she won" then about 4 other random people chirped up discussing it in elation. Couple of older ladies tarted saying how if there was a vote they'd get rid of Scotland out of the UK and that who cares about NI.
If there was any justice in the world she’d be getting locked up for that one.
I don't know why you think that her saying she might not run, has swung many votes. What happens in 4 years time is of little consequence now, I would have thought.
It's not her that's in a bad situation. It's the whole Tory party. There's no one that can come in and remedy this. The party doesn't have a parliamentary majority. On top of that its own MPS are (like the rest of the country) bitterly divided on the issue of Brexit, while the opposition is unified in wanting to reject any deal offered in order to force general elections. She's not in any worse shape than her replacement would be from day 1.
Oh zip it. Brexiteers and leavers lied 200 times a day every day of the year before and since the referendum, often in combination with insulting the EU and the countries that make it up.
Also if condescending attitudes lead you to vote for stupid things those attitudes are exactly what you deserve.
Would I be considered a fruitloop to say I hate Mrs May's clothing style? Her short jackets make her look horrendous.
Talk about going to the EU to get a legally binding limit to the backstop... then it's not a backstop, is it?
It's the principle that she needs to try and win confidence votes by seeking to assure her MPs that she won't lead the party in the next election. She's admitting the fact that she understands there is little confidence in her to lead the party to victory.
You don't find this significant?
Apparently she wanted to lead the party into the next election, but her advisers must have explained to her that, to be voted down now by her own party, would be a total humiliation to her personally. To avoid this, she was advised to concede her leadership at a later date.
Ok, but why is it Ok for the EU to put that border in the Irish Sea against the wishes of the Unionist but some how its an affront to all that's holy for the UK to be forced to put it on the former border against republican wishes as the GFA gives equal weight to both?
It's time burn Oxford and Cambridge to the ground. They've clearly failed several generations of undergraduates if this is what our leaders are up to.
That does not make me feel better at all Sultan?
No, but yes.
Simple fact, the UK has contributed more to the EU than has been spent in development funds over the past 30 years. The money has gone in developing Ireland, and eastern and southern Europe. I'm not arguing that this was a bad use of money. However there isn't a case to be made that the UK has benefited from infrastructural funding from EU projects
Catch yourself on. I don’t support Brexit so stop with the whataboutery regarding Brexiteers as I couldn’t care less what they said and people like Farage don’t represent me.
I was simply making the point that people like yourself dismissing others genuine concerns about the EU as nothing more than neanderthals grunting about “bleedin foreigners” and “take back control” are part of what allowed leave to win. People voted in protest (ok misguidedly) but because they are sick of the status quo.
In 2016 the tories had 330 seats, now they have 317.
It's a smaller proportion of her party backing her
What is it with this guy, And why do the media give him any airtime?
But the North doesn't agree to a border in the Irish Sea, and the agreement can't prevent the UK leaving if its people decide they want to leave the EU, CU and SM.
Unless you think the GFA means the UK can't ever leave them. Is that your point?
The whole thing seems to me a bit invented after the event which no one saw coming.
His point, which is completely true is that if people voted in protest, then it justifies the names they were called. It's the very essence of idiocy, or cutting your nose off to spite your face. What a normal person should have done, is separate the two, vote not in protest but for actual reasons they would stand behind, and deal with the name calling as a separate issue. Abandoning all logic and sense and chalking it up to a protest vote and then saying it's someone elses fault they did something is just stupidity and it doesn't excuse anyones actions.
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No. People voting leave is what allowed leave to win. Those who voted leave to stick it to people like me are beyond help anyway, there's no point in being super careful not to hurt their feelings, they don't give a flying feck about mine.
If people are fed up with status quo how about changing the status instead of creating an imaginary foe to blame all your woe's on? Now that I could respect...
This forum is full of leftists, so that's what you're gonna get.
I've found over the years that there are many older people who voted for brexit who have had enough of immigrants driving down wages, but on the other side there are a large amount of young people who voted remain simply because they're institutionalised, and don't actually know anything about the EU. Then there's the sincere voters on both sides. Most people on this forum are institutionalised young remainers, but not all.
Racist about t
The folk who think their wages have been driven down by immigrants are every bit as institutionalised as the young people you are on about.
young people who don't vote for the ruling party and have voted an antiestablishment figure to the leadership of the labour party are institutionalised sheep
ukip isn't sending us their best
ukip isn't sending us their best
Right, so what about all those areas voting Leave where there were barely any immigrants at all?
I heard all that last week when I was up at mum's in East Yorkshire (Haltemprice & Howden, wanker David Davis MP). Project fear, immigrants and controlling our own borders and laws were heavily repeated. It was tiresome and you can't fight ideology with logic when it comes to people in their 70s.
The Queen should just sack the lot of them
No quite frankly, I don't. Firstly she can renege on it and secondly I don't think it would matter one jot to these Tory MPs. If Brexit is botched, they will get obliterated in the next elections whoever the leader is.
So if verbal statements matter very little to both the person uttering them and the people who are the intended audience, why would I find it significant?
No, most people on this forum are younger people that are statistically more highly educated than the older folk. They seem to hate that, but it doesn't make it any less true. Brushing the younger generation off as 'institutionalised' is a bit of a weird sweeping brush to make, and almost smacks of bitterness.
What a horrible place to live.
Tbf blindly following any ideology, is sheep-like behaviour. Even one that is anti-establishment. On top of that student bases at most (probably all) Unis in this country are very left leaning, since we're talking about young people. So being anti-ruling party means little, in the context of being institutionalised, when it's placing you in the comfort of voting in line with the majority of your peers.
It's no difference to the BNP and NF complaining about the blacks and Asians stealing jobs. Just racism to hide thier own failings.
Most people who think like that, feel thier entitled to well paid work despite being under skilled, under educated, inexperienced and generally lazy.
If semi literate immigrants are making more money than you, it's your own fault. These people are capitalists when it suits them and then as soon as there is competition they want the state to end immigration to protect them.