Restrained from not reaching across and wringing Nigel farage’s neck
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Restrained in the context of a continues stream of lies , fabrications and insults about the E.U and it's constituent countries coming from MP's of the governing party, and even ministers.
In the context that so many of our politicians are spouting nationalist nonsense towards the EU constantly, rabble rousing about deals that can't be done, without an equivalent response from politicians across the channel, some of whom are still imploring us to stay?
Incidentally, was speaking with a couple of colleagues from Northern Ireland yesterday and they told me (coming from Derry and with family still there), there have apparently been a car bomb daily in Derry for the past few days.
But then I don't think many people in England even care about what happens in NI.
Exceptional stuff.
Not all eu members have restrained in voicing an anti eu opinion. So dont just buĺlshit here.
Just a thought... But the 2 amendments getting spoken about most are
1. Remove or time limit the backstop
2. The cooper Boyles one to block no deal
It seems the erg etc might go for the first one but even if they do and the dup agree to it as well it seems likley there could be enough conservative remain MP's (circa 20) and not enough level opposition (circa 10) to get it past.
Now it has also been trailed that there is a majority for no deal...
Well looking at this article that majority might be as low as 3 mps... And that assuming nobody gets their arm twisted into abstaining or shock horror a promise of a promotion etc
https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...k-boles-amendments-backstop-a8748131.html?amp
So it is possible we have a number of amendments hoping to show what there is a majority for in parliment and none of them securing a majority.
At which point (presuming a second ref amendment has also not secured A majority on Tuesday) there really is only 2 options I think which is leave on 29 march with no deal... Or say to the EU we are leaving with no deal and see if they want to extend a50 to put some legistlation in place (planes in the air etc) for the so called managed no deal (basically orgainsed chaos )
Anybody else think that could end up happening on Tuesday or do others think there will be at least one amendment that passes
If it does Benn and labour will have dropped a massive bollock in pulling his amendment from the meaningful vote
1. Remove or time limit the backstop
2. The cooper Boyles one to block no deal
It seems the erg etc might go for the first one but even if they do and the dup agree to it as well it seems likley there could be enough conservative remain MP's (circa 20) and not enough level opposition (circa 10) to get it past.
Now it has also been trailed that there is a majority for no deal...
Well looking at this article that majority might be as low as 3 mps... And that assuming nobody gets their arm twisted into abstaining or shock horror a promise of a promotion etc
https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...k-boles-amendments-backstop-a8748131.html?amp
So it is possible we have a number of amendments hoping to show what there is a majority for in parliment and none of them securing a majority.
At which point (presuming a second ref amendment has also not secured A majority on Tuesday) there really is only 2 options I think which is leave on 29 march with no deal... Or say to the EU we are leaving with no deal and see if they want to extend a50 to put some legistlation in place (planes in the air etc) for the so called managed no deal (basically orgainsed chaos )
Anybody else think that could end up happening on Tuesday or do others think there will be at least one amendment that passes
If it does Benn and labour will have dropped a massive bollock in pulling his amendment from the meaningful vote
Become like Singapore they say...
https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/01/2...br-intl/index.html?r=https://edition.cnn.com/
Singapore says to do that you need to stay in the EU... Increase immigration and give up about 2/3rds of pensions and national health spending
I'm assuming borris will Say Singapore are part of project fear now
https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/01/2...br-intl/index.html?r=https://edition.cnn.com/
Singapore says to do that you need to stay in the EU... Increase immigration and give up about 2/3rds of pensions and national health spending
I'm assuming borris will Say Singapore are part of project fear now
Marr is a twat. Coveney is ripping him apart
Thanks for posting the article, very interesting .
Adds to my fear that Brexit is just a smokescreen to turn Britain into a Tory utopia of low tax, minimum regulations and a work force with reduced rights.
Any link?
Don't have access to iPlayer but it was on Marr's Sunday show.
It's not a smokescreen. They have been very clear about it .
Starts at 38mins here
Coveney spoke very well. It's about time these views were aired in the UK and Coveney nailed him on the various unicorns he brought up.
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Tim's not clocked that you aren't supposed to say that bit out loud.
To be fair I think there is a part of the erg thinking that is well if we back an ammenamen saying the backstop has to be negotiated it has 3 advantages
1. The EU won't and it will allow them to say this is why we have to leave with no deal
2. It will run the clock down making no deal more likely
3. It basically sets up their campaign I'd there was a second referendum... EU forcing a hard boarder ... Trying to stop UK sovereignty... Impossible to work with them... Etc etc...
That said I don't think they can get 50%+1 for the ammenamen as there is probably 20 or so remain conservatives who wouldnt vote for it
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Little from column A, little from column B.
The general public is a bit thick though, how else do you think we got in this mess to begin with
I would say that disinformation and misinformation are the main culprit, it's easy to be misled when you don't have all the information. The irony of this tweet is that it exposes the reason why the backstop is necessary, some politicians seem to struggle with the notions of bilateral agreement.
The amount of people that now have most of the information and still want to leave is unreal though.
That's a fair point but I suspect that pride plays a big role in it. You told everyone that you were moving to Shangri-la and insulted everyone on your way out, there is a little bit of awkwardness in your potential comeback.
Enough about Jardim, mate.
This is a good point. They won't admit they're wrong. Probably comfort themselves with the thought that the fallout from Brexit will be divied up equally between Leavers and Remainers alike.
I think it literally the case that they can't take a step back and admit they've made a mistake
To an extent... And if there is a 2nd ref and the remain campaign go for a smug we told you so approach then they better not rely on too many people changing their mind
I am also bemused by this . Are they really that arrogant ?
Yeah it's a tough one for remain to choose what arguments to target really as most will be predictions which is always countered with project fear bullshit
Mark Rutte, total kunt, i hate him and so do most people i speak to.
That isn't a binary option.
so, martial law huh?
Well, sounds like he's got my back so feck all the people you speak to, signed Ireland.
Really cranking up the blame game now. Numpties will lap it up.
Read some of the replies, clearly a common viewpoint
Oh well that's all the evidence you need clearly.
Try clicking on some of the profiles. I'd question whether many of them were ever remainers.
I mean, the hard border issue necessitates what he said. You'd have to be a strange kind of remainer to have that put you off.