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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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JPRouve said:
It's easier if you ignore the union part. An FTA is a trade agreement that lowers barrier to entry between two countries/territories, the custom administration is the administration that makes sure that goods coming from an external territory abide to the rules and collects the financial barriers to entry.
From there it should be intuitive to understand that a custom union is the addition of more than one custom territories in which different custom administrations will follow common protocols and make internal checks redundant.

The reason why you need both to virtually have no need for internal checks is that any FTA can change the rules by altering quotas and the type of goods that are accepted from the outside, that's one of the reason why the EUCU negotiates trade as a block. If countries start negotiating individual FTAs they make the point of a CU disappear, every custom administration will have to make sure that goods abide to their own FTA package.
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Thank you for your patience and clear explanation.
My confusion was that I had read that if the UK entered into a trading arrangement with the EU which effectively mirrored the EUCU then that would solve the seemless border that currently exists in Ireland.
 
Honest John said:
Why is everyone saying that a CU does forbid this then?
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Who exactly said that? You could have individual trades but you couldn't have open borders which would negate one of the main points of a CU, you would also need to respect rules of origin for obvious reasons.
 
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Dear Jeremy,

Love Theresa.
 
Buster15 said:
Thank you for your clarification.
I note that my error was when I said that A CU gave the non EU countries access to the EU.

What I meant to say was that it gave these countries common tarrifs with the EU countries ( tariff free trading). In terms of the Irish boarder, this type of arrangement would overcome the contentious Backstop issue as I understand it.
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Border FFS, it’s not an Irish person boarding a train!
 
Sweet Square said:
I think they'll be long gone before facing the real consequences of their voting patterns and even if not there's also going to be someone else who looks different, sounds different or less well off for them to blame.

I not sure what to make of it, either I patronise older people and think well of course they feel this way because the world has rapidly change so much that unless you've grown up with this change, the effect must be like sticking your head in a microwave and turning the settings to 11. So of course a person with this experience is going to be terrified 99% of the time about imagery fears coming to get them. Or I take them at face value and think that the idea of leaving society in a better place for your kids/grandchildren(the most basic way to see if we are making progress)is something older people actively dislike and want to fight against.


For the most part I just blame Thatcher, she polluted the minds of millions.
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I think age is an excuse. My in-laws are 80
and 70. They read up on it and voted remain as did a few of their friends.

I have elderly relatives who fell for the Union Jack posts on FB in particular telling them they’d face more foreign doctors, longer wait times, floods of Roma and Turks robbing, raping and pillaging in general, Muslim men pedo rings etc etc. all absolute BS

The remain side didn’t do enough to convince people otherwise or outline the benefits
 
golden_blunder said:
I think age is an excuse. My in-laws are 80
and 70. They read up on it and voted remain as did a few of their friends.

I have elderly relatives who fell for the Union Jack posts on FB in particular telling them they’d face more foreign doctors, longer wait times, floods of Roma and Turks robbing, raping and pillaging in general, Muslim men pedo rings etc etc. all absolute BS

The remain side didn’t do enough to convince people otherwise or outline the benefits
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Issue was we'd had successive governments who spent years blaming the EU for a lot of their own failings, and accepting the "immigration isn't good" narrative which drove up Euroscepticism. When it came to a referendum, it was always going to be a hard sell on their part. And much as a lot of the People's Vote rhetoric is beyond cringe inducing, they at least seem to be, like, enthusiastic and stuff about the EU. Which is more than a lot of Remainers ever managed.
 
Are there any good public Brexit parties planned for March 29th?

Is it going to be designated as a National Holiday (Independence Day), like the 4th of July in the US?
 
Cheesy said:
Issue was we'd had successive governments who spent years blaming the EU for a lot of their own failings, and accepting the "immigration isn't good" narrative which drove up Euroscepticism. When it came to a referendum, it was always going to be a hard sell on their part. And much as a lot of the People's Vote rhetoric is beyond cringe inducing, they at least seem to be, like, enthusiastic and stuff about the EU. Which is more than a lot of Remainers ever managed.
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For me, what Brexiteers did very well was convince people that their current dissatisfaction with their lot was due to the EU. They neatly papered over the fact that the country has been subjected to Austerity for years and convinced people that post Brexit Britain would be one of milk and honey and that their lives would be so much better.
 
Reiver said:
For me, what Brexiteers did very well was convince people that their current dissatisfaction with their lot was due to the EU. They neatly papered over the fact that the country has been subjected to Austerity for years and convinced people that post Brexit Britain would be one of milk and honey and that their lives would be so much better.
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That's the same that happened with the raise of independentism in Catalonia. The blame game, catalan politicians they blamed spain for the crisis and many people bought it. Though is not that there are so many other reasons but that is another story

fecking politicians blaming others on their incompetence
 
Reiver said:
For me, what Brexiteers did very well was convince people that their current dissatisfaction with their lot was due to the EU. They neatly papered over the fact that the country has been subjected to Austerity for years and convinced people that post Brexit Britain would be one of milk and honey and that their lives would be so much better.
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And millions of people fell for it.
When I spoke to friends and relatives who voted to leave, the words 'taking back control of our country' resonated with them.
That as well as a degree of protest vote.

When I speak to those same people now, most want a 'people's vote' but don't really understand why, while a few are happy to leave without a deal on the basis that whatever happens in the short term, it will be worth the pain for the long-term gain.
These are all Conservative voters incidentally.

The latter are all actually quite intelligent individuals who assure me that it will all work out well and see the emerging risks as project fear!!!!.

I suspect that this is pretty much typical?
 
Buster15 said:
When I speak to those same people now, most want a 'people's vote' but don't really understand why, while a few are happy to leave without a deal on the basis that whatever happens in the short term, it will be worth the pain for the long-term gain.
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Did they give you a clue as to what they thought the long term gain would be?
 
golden_blunder said:
I think age is an excuse. My in-laws are 80
and 70. They read up on it and voted remain as did a few of their friends.

I have elderly relatives who fell for the Union Jack posts on FB in particular telling them they’d face more foreign doctors, longer wait times, floods of Roma and Turks robbing, raping and pillaging in general, Muslim men pedo rings etc etc. all absolute BS

The remain side didn’t do enough to convince people otherwise or outline the benefits
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As you say, folk were influenced by the most ridiculous things on social media. I was talking to a (young) woman before the vote, she was quite honestly daft as a brush but she'd read something about Turkey on FB and that was that, she was voting leave because she was suddenly scared of Turkey possibly becoming part of the EU. Another one in the same conversation was voting leave because she thought there were too many people from Pakistan and India in the UK.

You couldn't make it up, but sadly, someone did and plenty of others believed it.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Did they give you a clue as to what they thought the long term gain would be?
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Yes. It was a combination of a stronger economy (!) due to being able to expand trade and far fewer immigrants which they saw as putting far too much pressure on limited services.

I guess that if you put on some very rose tinted glasses and totally believe what Brexiteers have sold to them then this may be quite typical.

To be honest I have tried to reason but I am called a Remoaner.
 
Buster15 said:
Yes. It was a combination of a stronger economy (!) due to being able to expand trade and far fewer immigrants which they saw as putting far too much pressure on limited services.

I guess that if you put on some very rose tinted glasses and totally believe what Brexiteers have sold to them then this may be quite typical.

To be honest I have tried to reason but I am called a Remoaner.
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They delusional

Immigration had been proven to be positive for every economy. They use more services but they generate way more taxes to compensate as they are sane and in a good age to not get sick, also they came here to make money, not to be on welfare (there is that odd exception like in anything else, like locals too)

And they will never have a better deal with 27 of their neighbours (the most important economies because of their proximity) like the one they have now.

That are FACTS

The only thing will be to strike new trade deals with other economies. That no-one can know, depends on if in UK you have mastermind trade dealers, and seeing their proficiency on brexit I doubt it. Also is less probable to have worse deals being a tiny economy of 60 millions than inside the EU. But as I said, no one knows.

But the first 2 facts? are indisputable
 
Who gives a shit about the country anyway? A party needs to be kept together.
 
If anyone needs an insight into the majority of people that voted Brexit, check out the responses to this status :lol:

Han Brown is a wind up account that started by taking the piss out of the Manchester music scene. Just been reopened and has reeled in a tonne of leavers. Whoever runs it sponsored the post to get more people to see it, and one idiot thinks that means someone has sponsored it like you would sponsor someone to swim a mile or something, and has threatened to report it if it's publicly funded.

Almost all of them can't even work out that Han is a girl's name.

https://www.facebook.com/194741718000203/posts/398549810952725/
 
Adisa said:
Who gives a shit about the country anyway? A party needs to be kept together.
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I think her government would collapse before that happened. There are still some sane people in the cabinet. Although we could still crash out by accident in those circumstances.
 
VeevaVee said:
If anyone needs an insight into the majority of people that voted Brexit, check out the responses to this status :lol:

Han Brown is a wind up account that started by taking the piss out of the Manchester music scene. Just been reopened and has reeled in a tonne of leavers. Whoever runs it sponsored the post to get more people to see it, and one idiot thinks that means someone has sponsored it like you would sponsor someone to swim a mile or something, and has threatened to report it if it's publicly funded.

Almost all of them can't even work out that Han is a girl's name.

https://www.facebook.com/194741718000203/posts/398549810952725/
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That thread is pretty grim
 
Adisa said:
Who gives a shit about the country anyway? A party needs to be kept together.
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Bullshit. She will be sacrificed on the alter of Brexit whatever it turns out to be. You should be worried about who comes after her - from whatever side.
 
4bars said:
They delusional

Immigration had been proven to be positive for every economy. They use more services but they generate way more taxes to compensate as they are sane and in a good age to not get sick, also they came here to make money, not to be on welfare (there is that odd exception like in anything else, like locals too)

And they will never have a better deal with 27 of their neighbours (the most important economies because of their proximity) like the one they have now.

That are FACTS

The only thing will be to strike new trade deals with other economies. That no-one can know, depends on if in UK you have mastermind trade dealers, and seeing their proficiency on brexit I doubt it. Also is less probable to have worse deals being a tiny economy of 60 millions than inside the EU. But as I said, no one knows.

But the first 2 facts? are indisputable
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You don't need to convince me
 
feck sake now she wants more time again. No organisation would allow this level of incompetence, they're u-turning and not even delivering on what the commons passed.
 
The naked pro-Europe campaigner Victoria Bateman has repeated her challenge to a debate with the arch-Brexiter Jacob Rees-Mogg on live TV but has dropped her demand that the Tory MP should also take off his clothes for the event
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