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Jesus this whole ordeal has really made me lose any faith I had in the UK.

The fact that so many leavers are doubling down at this point....it just boggles belief.
 
Buster15 said:
OK. So a CU or FTA with the EU would not overcome the Irish border issue?

You can see why people get confused because I have taken the time to check these things out and:
Corbyn is talking about A Permanent CU with the EU.
From what I have read, that would overcome the Irish border issue.
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I have just listened to the HoC update on the radio.
In response to TM, JC stated that the reason why he wants a 'Legally Binding Customs Union with the EU' is to ensure that there can be a frictionless trade and no hard border border in Ireland and so overcome the the need for the backstop.
These are not his precise words but essentially that is what he said. He most certainly said the words Legally binding customs union with the EU and did not say Free Trade Agreement and he did not say remain in the EUCU.

Now. I mentioned this yesterday and was told that I was wrong and that I didn't understand which I accepted.
If Jeremy Corbyn is wrong then I would suggest that someone needs to tell the leader of the opposition that he doesn't understand and that he is wrong.
 
BREXIT is going to be the major theme in British politics for the rest of all our lifetimes - aint that depressing.
 
I'm travelling to the UK for a wedding on 4th April. It'll be interesting to see where things are at by then.
 
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Buster15 said:
I have just listened to the HoC update on the radio.
In response to TM, JC stated that the reason why he wants a 'Legally Binding Customs Union with the EU' is to ensure that there can be a frictionless trade and no hard border border in Ireland and so overcome the the need for the backstop.
These are not his precise words but essentially that is what he said. He most certainly said the words Legally binding customs union with the EU and did not say Free Trade Agreement and he did not say remain in the EUCU.

Now. I mentioned this yesterday and was told that I was wrong and that I didn't understand which I accepted.
If Jeremy Corbyn is wrong then I would suggest that someone needs to tell the leader of the opposition that he doesn't understand and that he is wrong.
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That's what we've been saying since he released his cunning plan.

Being in 'A' not 'THE'.

You can't have a custom's union where you can have unilateral deals and have open borders. Page 1025 covers most of it.
May's told him he's wrong.

He is wrong, it's the vague wording that's confusing people.

Edit: Has someone from the British media (without an agenda) and who knows what they're talking about questioned him thoroughly on exactly what his points mean.

Because if they did this vagueness from him could be cleared up within 15 minutes.
 
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Paul the Wolf said:
That's what we've been saying since he released his cunning plan.

Being in 'A' not 'THE'.

You can't have a custom's union where you can have unilateral deals and have open borders. Page 1025 covers most of it.
May's told him he's wrong.

He is wrong, it's the vague wording that's confusing people.
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I was hoping you would comment.
His exact words are on the BBC website. I have checked and he is indeed talking about A Customs Union as opposed to the EUCU.

Assuming you are correct and he is incorrect, it is surprising is it not that neither TM or anyone else did not correct him.
In particular I would have expected K Starmer to have informed him.
He claims (see the BBC) that he has support from the EU....
 
Buster15 said:
I have just listened to the HoC update on the radio.
In response to TM, JC stated that the reason why he wants a 'Legally Binding Customs Union with the EU' is to ensure that there can be a frictionless trade and no hard border border in Ireland and so overcome the the need for the backstop.
These are not his precise words but essentially that is what he said. He most certainly said the words Legally binding customs union with the EU and did not say Free Trade Agreement and he did not say remain in the EUCU.

Now. I mentioned this yesterday and was told that I was wrong and that I didn't understand which I accepted.
If Jeremy Corbyn is wrong then I would suggest that someone needs to tell the leader of the opposition that he doesn't understand and that he is wrong.
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He's wrong. People have been saying the entirety of british parliament doesn't understand what they're talking about for a while. Its a possible route to a deal but one that you'd be doing well to have negotiated something close to it 2 years. Its too late to be a realistic option right now I'd say, its not a particularly realistic option without heavy concessions regardless. Joining the EUCU would be more realistic but even that has probably been left too late without a big delay.
 
Buster15 said:
I was hoping you would comment.
His exact words are on the BBC website. I have checked and he is indeed talking about A Customs Union as opposed to the EUCU.

Assuming you are correct and he is incorrect, it is surprising is it not that neither TM or anyone else did not correct him.
In particular I would have expected K Starmer to have informed him.
He claims (see the BBC) that he has support from the EU....
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Starmer and Corbyn have both been saying this on similar lines since well before the end of last year.
He'd have the backing of the EU if they were in the customs union and the Uk followed by the rules of that customs union.
He's yet another politician misleading the public.

This sums it up:
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What will solve the problem is to have the same rules, same protocols within the same jurisdiction.
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Paul the Wolf said:
Starmer and Corbyn have both been saying this on similar lines since well before the end of last year.
He'd have the backing of the EU if they were in the customs union and the Uk followed by the rules of that customs union.
He's yet another politician misleading the public.

This sums it up:
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But what's the point of trying to mislead the British public if there is no substance to what they are saying.

Please don't think I am doubting what you are saying but I have to take it that the BBC are printing accurate information.

It quite clearly states that the Irish border issue can be overcome by 'A comprehensive trade deal with the EU'.
 
Buster15 said:
But what's the point of trying to mislead the British public if there is no substance to what they are saying.

Please don't think I am doubting what you are saying but I have to take it that the BBC are printing accurate information.

It quite clearly states that the Irish border issue can be overcome by 'A comprehensive trade deal with the EU'.
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All the politicians have not stopped misleading the public since the very beginning of all this.
Can you post a link to the story?
 
On the 28th March when the EU have told Mrs May to **ss off for the umpteenth time, Tory Brexiteers are considering marshalling behind Farage, Labour has realised none of what JC or KS has said has made a blind bit of difference, the PM will announce in the commons that since the EU are determining to punish us, the Brexiteers wont accept BRINO, and labour wont support her deal, then she has no option to call off Brexit, cancel Article 50, and to put up candidates for the forthcoming EU elections with the intention of fighting a guerrilla campaign on the inside.
 
Buster15 said:
Hopefully this link will open .

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...gQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw1F1v8c5XaInrsHzxaZP9fi&cf=1
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Yes thanks, it's the same nonsense he's been spouting since last year.

For example : "Labour would seek a final deal that gives full access to European markets and maintains the benefits of the single market and the customs union," he said. - I mean for pity's sake.

As we've been saying , it is Tory 2016 Mark two (plus plus) . He's just trying to undermine May and get a GE , that's all he's interested in.
Don't think he understands the transition period either and furthermore to get to the transition period there has to be a withdrawal agreement which he has rejected also.


In her statement today , May reiterated her rejection of a customs union, which was one of five demands made by Corbyn if she wanted Labour to back her deal. She said a customs union would prevent the UK from signing its own trade deals and was “a less desirable outcome than that which is provided for in the political declaration”.

Give me half an hour with him.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Yes thanks, it's the same nonsense he's been spouting since last year.

For example : "Labour would seek a final deal that gives full access to European markets and maintains the benefits of the single market and the customs union," he said. - I mean for pity's sake.

As we've been saying , it is Tory 2016 Mark two (plus plus) . He's just trying to undermine May and get a GE , that's all he's interested in.
Don't think he understands the transition period either and furthermore to get to the transition period there has to be a withdrawal agreement which he has rejected also.


In her statement today , May reiterated her rejection of a customs union, which was one of five demands made by Corbyn if she wanted Labour to back her deal. She said a customs union would prevent the UK from signing its own trade deals and was “a less desirable outcome than that which is provided for in the political declaration”.

Give me half an hour with him.
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Thank you my friend.
I have just noticed that this was from early last year and was actually not what I was reading earlier this morning.

The problem is that the BBC update their website so often that it can be awkward trying to find something you read only a short time ago.
I will try again to locate what was written this morning.
It may well not be that different but I am keen to look again at it.
 
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