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JPRouve said:
He is simply highlighting the extreme dishonesty of Soubry who basically claims that May is a xenophobe but at the same time supported her a month ago.
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No. Don't agree.
There is nothing wrong with supporting the party leader even if you disagree with her and think of her as xenophobic.

But once she has left that party she is then free to make your feelings know.
What is unusual about that?
 
Buster15 said:
No. Don't agree.
There is nothing wrong with supporting the party leader even if you disagree with her and think of her as xenophobic.

But once she has left that party she is then free to make your feelings know.
What is unusual about that?
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It's daft that you even have the audacity to write that. If she thought that May's decisions were detrimental to the country then she should have voted against her and it's even worse when she thinks that May has a major character flaw, that's the entire point of a motion of no confidence, by voting the opposite of what she actually thought she demonstrated that she is morally bankrupt and the fact that it's usual in politics isn't an excuse.
 
JPRouve said:
It's daft that you even have the audacity to write that. If she thought that May's decisions were detrimental to the country then she should have voted against her and it's even worse when she thinks that May has a major character flaw, that's the entire point of a motion of no confidence, by voting the opposite of what she actually thought she demonstrated that she is morally bankrupt and the fact that it's usual in politics isn't an excuse.
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Nah, there aren't any political parties where everyone loves the leader and agrees a hundred percent with every policy. It would be outright dangerous if there were. I'm sure the members just hope they agree mostly with their leader and manifesto, and occasionally things change so they don't any more, and it's time to leave. No system's perfect but people will get to vote on them again in due course,so it's the best we've come up with.
 
711 said:
Nah, there aren't any political parties where everyone loves the leader and agrees a hundred percent with every policy. It would be outright dangerous if there were. I'm sure the members just hope they agree mostly with their leader and manifesto, and occasionally things change so they don't any more, and it's time to leave. No system's perfect but people will get to vote on them again in due course,so it's the best we've come up with.
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Nah to what? We are not talking about loving the leader and agreeing with everything, we are talking about a leader doing something that goes against the interest of the country because of a character flaw, you have zero excuse if you support that leader in a motion of no confidence, particularly when you are ready to leave the party a few weeks later.
 
Adisa said:
How long can May realistically run the clock down for?
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She is supposed to bring something to Parliament on Wednesday next week. I think (hope) that if she doesnt have anything concrete the tories will start to turn on her. Things could move quickly after that, but weve been here before.
 
GloryHunter07 said:
She is supposed to bring something to Parliament on Wednesday next week. I think (hope) that if she doesnt have anything concrete the tories will start to turn on her. Things could move quickly after that, but weve been here before.
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Thanks.
 
JPRouve said:
Nah to what? We are not talking about loving the leader and agreeing with everything, we are talking about a leader doing something that goes against the interest of the country because of a character flaw, you have zero excuse if you support that leader in a motion of no confidence, particularly when you are ready to leave the party a few weeks later.
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Nah to you telling Buster 'It's daft that you even have the audacity to write that'. His opinion makes just as much sense as yours.
 
711 said:
Nah to you telling Buster 'It's daft that you even have the audacity to write that'. His opinion makes just as much sense as yours.
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It's daft to say that there is nothing wrong about it. You can't say that there is nothing wrong to give your confidence to someone that "really worries", everything about it is wrong and using party politics as an excuse makes it even worse because it basically means that they put the party over the nation's interest.
 
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Adisa said:
How long can May realistically run the clock down for?
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Well through all the confusion, anger, threats, splits and the many many predictions from all sides May's plan doesn't seem to have changed much for a good while now. She's hoping, maybe even with reason, who knows, that the EU will give her something she can present as movement on the backstop to help her prevent a no deal, and that parliament will be so frightened of a no deal themselves that they will accept it at the last minute, as the best choice available. I've no idea whether this plan will work out that way or not. Loads of people will say they know for certain that it won't, quoting past votes, but the truth is they don't know either.
 
An iron law of modern British government says that whatever London wants, London gets. On Monday, with no fuss or publicity, the Bank of England and a group of City interests reached an apparently boring deal in Paris with the European Security and Markets Authority. It follows a similar deal with the European commission last December. Both state, in effect, that, as far as the City is concerned, if there is a no-deal Brexit, Brexit did not happen. It was just play-acting by idiots down the road in Westminster.

Up to £41tn in financial guarantees, insurances, hedges and other derivatives, all within the EU’s regulatory regime, is said to be at risk in the City’s clearing houses. For everyone involved, this is a grownup business, not to be left to the mercies of the likes of Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg. The regulators have duly issued licences to the clearing houses, allowing Europe’s banks to disregard EU rules and continue trading on London’s derivatives platforms. Financially speaking, London is to become a “free port”. Sighs of relief all round.
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Whoah.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/22/city-free-port-brexit-deal-bankers
 
Kentonio said:
Whoah.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/22/city-free-port-brexit-deal-bankers
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The greatest irony is that London and the south-east of England, which voted overwhelmingly for remain, will emerge from a hard Brexit richer than ever. It is the provinces that voted leave that will suffer.
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Which anyone with a brain already knew to be the case.

We'll have a wall of our own in this country soon and it'll be around London.

:lol: in the comments section Corbyn is referred to as 'The High Sparrow'. Great nickname. I guess that makes May Cersei Lannister?
 
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CassiusClaymore said:
Which anyone with a brain already knew to be the case.

We'll have a wall of our own in this country soon and it'll be around London.

:lol: in the comments section Corbyn is referred to as 'The High Sparrow'. Great nickname. I guess that makes May Cersei Lannister?
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When does she make her walk of Shame?
 
Adisa said:
How long can May realistically run the clock down for?
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Until the last possible minute!
Like the USA Airforce pilot character played by actor Slim Pickens in Dr Strangelove, she's riding the nuke down to its target... perhaps not waving the Stetson though!
 
The UK won't be able to roll over an EU trade deal with Japan in time for a no-deal Brexit, Trade Secretary Liam Fox has said.

It was one of the most important EU trade deals the UK hoped to replicate ahead of the 29 March withdrawal date.

The trade department also said it would not be able to roll over the EU's customs union deal with Turkey on time.

In 2017, Mr Fox said the UK would be able to replicate 40 EU free trade deals by Brexit day.

But so far the department has only been able to finalise "continuity agreements" with seven of the 69 countries and regions with which the EU has trade deals.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47319533

I guess this is all just "project fear" right? All people have to do is BELIEVE IN BREXIT and everything will be fine?

A generation of post-war progress about to be flushed down the toilet because a bunch of crisis-capitalist elites told people to hate foreigners for taking their jobs and that it was the other elites that caused all your problems.

Boris will be fine, Rees Mogg will be fine, everyone else can just remember back to the blitz and thank god they had it good for so long. Right? That is brexit now isn't it? Hate foreigners, making "remoaners" angry and just believing like a cult that faith will fix all.
 
MoskvaRed said:
It sounds like a pragmatic interim measure to prevent a financial meltdown on 29 March rather than a longer-term special arrangement for the City.
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Indeed, but in the face of the political situation its a very strange thing indeed. If it was approved by the government, then it opens up a lot of serious questions.
 
Adisa said:
How long can May realistically run the clock down for?
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Rumours are she has her eyes on an EU leaders meeting around 22 march... She could try to wait till then for a late concession then try to get her deal approved the following week.
In reality though it seems likley parliament will seek to act before then to prevent such last minute brinkmanship... I guess we will see what she brings back to the house next week and then what people try to tag onto that (and if it has any legal force)
I suspect that at 1 month to go it will probably be now or never for those looking to take control of the process (leave and remain)

Gut feel we see something like the Cox codicil... Basically a text tagged onto the legal agreement that allows Cox to change his legal advice

Personally I don't think that will keep the erg happy
 
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Does the spirit of the blitz even exist in modern Britain? Britain now has people who call 999 when the local KFC shuts down. Seems fanatstical; more likely is a humongous national meltdown.
 
RedChip said:
Does the spirit of the blitz even exist in modern Britain? Britain now has people who call 999 when the local KFC shuts down. Seems fanatstical; more likely is a humongous national meltdown.
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The Blitz spirit was so focused. There was a clear enemy and you needed to withstand for your children and your children's children. I think everyone was on the same wavelength at that time.

Brexit is far more complex IMHO. Nobody really knows what to focus on and how to drum up blanket national support for this. The population is pretty much 50/50 as are the UK member states with Wales and England wanting to leave but Scotland and NI wanting to remain. I would always say that spirit exists but you need the right circumstances and leaders to channel this spirit. I think the right circumstances are coming in the form of an Economic downturn and further austerity so all you need is the enigmatic leader to emerge to bring you out of the doldrums..............enter Jeremey stage left................;)
 
CassiusClaymore said:
Which anyone with a brain already knew to be the case.

We'll have a wall of our own in this country soon and it'll be around London.

:lol: in the comments section Corbyn is referred to as 'The High Sparrow'. Great nickname. I guess that makes May Cersei Lannister?
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Stick said:
When does she make her walk of Shame?
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Well that livened up my lunchtime.
 
JPRouve said:
It's daft that you even have the audacity to write that. If she thought that May's decisions were detrimental to the country then she should have voted against her and it's even worse when she thinks that May has a major character flaw, that's the entire point of a motion of no confidence, by voting the opposite of what she actually thought she demonstrated that she is morally bankrupt and the fact that it's usual in politics isn't an excuse.
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Do you know what.
I really don't care what you think.

I don’t doubt that you may be a reasonably intelligent individual. But you are most certainly not the only person on this forum who is so and your views are just that; your views.

And by the way I find your posts extremely condescending. You have a bad habit of continually belittling other people's views and if you wish to be taken seriously, you should correct that.
 
Buster15 said:
Do you know what.
I really don't care what you think.

I don’t doubt that you may be a reasonably intelligent individual. But you are most certainly not the only person on this forum who is so and your views are just that; your views.

And by the way I find your posts extremely condescending. You have a bad habit of continually belittling other people's views and if you wish to be taken seriously, you should correct that.
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I offer you my apologies for that.
 
Brexit: Amber Rudd, David Gauke and Greg Clarke issue delay warning

Brexit should be delayed if Parliament does not approve a deal in the coming days, three cabinet ministers have warned publicly for the first time.

Ahead of crucial votes in the Commons next week, Amber Rudd, David Gauke and Greg Clark say time is running out and that the country faces a choice.

Writing in the Daily Mail, they say they hope there will be a breakthrough in negotiations in the next few days.

This would allow a new deal to be presented to Parliament.

But they argue if a deal is not endorsed by MPs imminently “it would be better to seek to extend Article 50 and delay our date of departure rather than crash out of the European Union on March 29.”

They add: “After months of uncertainty, it is time that MPs recognised the need to get a deal, accepted that this is the only deal on offer, and supported it.”

But they also warn Brexiteers in the European Research Group that Parliament will block the UK leaving without a deal, stating that if there is a delay “they will have no-one to blame but themselves”.

It comes after the BBC was told dozens of normally loyal Tories could back plans to stop the UK leaving the EU without a deal if a reworked version of the PM’s plan does not pass.
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sun_tzu said:
Rumours are she has her eyes on an EU leaders meeting around 22 march... She could try to wait till then for a late concession then try to get her deal approved the following week.
In reality though it seems likley parliament will seek to act before then to prevent such last minute brinkmanship... I guess we will see what she brings back to the house next week and then what people try to tag onto that (and if it has any legal force)
I suspect that at 1 month to go it will probably be now or never for those looking to take control of the process (leave and remain)

Gut feel we see something like the Cox codicil... Basically a text tagged onto the legal agreement that allows Cox to change his legal advice

Personally I don't think that will keep the erg happy
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I don't see how any MP could support the current "deal" without changes to the text of the agreement to remove the backstop. That won't happen.

The 3 options are still the same.

Cabinet ministers peeling off already saying they want an extension and won't allow no deal, the same goes for 500+ MPs and always has done. EU fully aware of this I think and just waiting. No need to offer anything.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rs-signal-theyre-ready-help-delay-Brexit.html

Nothing changed since December. Just May's desperation. If she did ask for an extension to A50 EU could say no or put conditions. Could she even resign, finally?
 
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