What happens if she does? Surely we can't just do nothing for the next few weeks?
Looking unlikely that a meaningful vote will take place tomorrow.
You would think soIf she postpones the vote, surely Corbyn has to try another no confidence vote
I think there is a good chance that she will throw the towel in this week.If she postpones the vote, surely Corbyn has to try another no confidence vote
What a shambles.... What exactly would she have achieved?I think there is a good chance that she will throw the towel in this week.
Poisoned chalice. Always was.What a shambles.... What exactly would she have achieved?
A shitshow so large you can see it from space?
A shitshow so large you can see it from space?
I think it was as much to sort the split in his own Conservative party as it was the threat from UKIP. He expected to win the referendum and kill two birds with one stone as it were. The tosser.And all self inflicted I am afraid.
Absolutely non of this was necessary. It was just down to pitifully weak leadership from the fool Cameron who was afraid of the threat from UKIP.
What a shambles.... What exactly would she have achieved?
Well being PM does mean that you're remembered in the history books for ever, after even big events just become half forgotten historical footnotes. I can see the attraction of that, even if you do go down as 'PM who was generally a bit shit'. In May's case she'll also be '2nd female PM' which is historically noteworthy.
This is one part of the Leave mentality that I have never quite understood.this type of mentality exist in all EU countries where a part of the political sphere try to create the illusion that relatively small markets are the envy of all.
because immigrants.This is one part of the Leave mentality that I have never quite understood.
The EU is a massive market with massive negotiating clout. Why would you voluntarily leave that and then go on the world stage to negotiate new trade deals with a fraction of the market size, and therefore a fraction of the clout?
This is one part of the Leave mentality that I have never quite understood.
The EU is a massive market with massive negotiating clout. Why would you voluntarily leave that and then go on the world stage to negotiate new trade deals with a fraction of the market size, and therefore a fraction of the clout?
This is one part of the Leave mentality that I have never quite understood.
The EU is a massive market with massive negotiating clout. Why would you voluntarily leave that and then go on the world stage to negotiate new trade deals with a fraction of the market size, and therefore a fraction of the clout?
The EU might extend to allow for a binding second referendum, not that I'm putting that forward as the most likely route map.So the order of the week is:
Vote on the deal which will not be and has not changed - government loses
Vote on no deal - whatever happens is meaningless.
Vote on extending A50 - also totally meaningless unless a complete change of direction. EU have to agree and will only do so if there is a genuine change of direction.
So the order of the week is:
Vote on the deal which will not be and has not changed - government loses
Vote on no deal - whatever happens is meaningless.
Vote on extending A50 - also totally meaningless unless a complete change of direction. EU have to agree and will only do so if there is a genuine change of direction.
The EU might extend to allow for a binding second referendum, not that I'm putting that forward as the most likely route map.
Agree about the lack of interest but it's still possible, yes one option would have to be withdrawal of article 50, and then Leave with the deal, or Leave without a deal, or a choice of all three, but binding. There will obviously be difference of opinion on the choices given, but parliament could vote for that.Yes but neither of the major parties seem that interested.
Secondly, if there was one, if the result was Remain then Brexit is cancelled. If Leave won again we're back to where we are now.
i think mays plan is this...
vote on deal - rejected
vote on no deal - rejected
vote on extending A50 - passed by parliament
Eu will only approve if as you say there is a purpose (eg referendum) and may well insist on more than 3 months
Therefore she goes back for another meaningful vote saying if they accept the EU's terms then the EU are blocking brexit etc... and possibly just possibly gets her deal through as the ERG come back on board thinking brexit is better than a delay...
plus she gets the deal through then walks away claiming victory and the ERG install Mogg or Davies as the PM ready to make the trade deal at the end of the transition canada type or WTO
I actually think shes got around 25%-33% chance of getting the deal through this way - its still a bit of a long shot but its her only credible path to being able to claim a victory and walk away which as with all political operatives i suspect is important to her
Yes, all those highly-skilled European dentists for example, who've filled the massive gap left by British ones who no longer want to offer NHS services.because immigrants.
So the order of the week is:
Vote on the deal which will not be and has not changed - government loses
Vote on no deal - whatever happens is meaningless.
Vote on extending A50 - also totally meaningless unless a complete change of direction. EU have to agree and will only do so if there is a genuine change of direction.
Might be a vote of no confidence again as well if gov loses the vote.
Not entirely predictable what will happen.
My hope is that if the EU refuses an extension the Government (or national one if it collapses first) calls vote to revoke article 50, then probable Tory leadership election and a GE.
You're picking the wrong target Penna. It's generally accepted quotas will be given for those with desirable qualifications or wealth, the question is how will farmers manage without immigrant pickers, or the hospitality businesses, or care homes, it's the low-paid you need to worry about. There's also a lot of moral questions to be answered and how you want the country to be and what opportunities there should be for our own citizens, but I wouldn't worry about dentists and doctors, if they're needed they'll come. If they still want to, of course.Yes, all those highly-skilled European dentists for example, who've filled the massive gap left by British ones who no longer want to offer NHS services.
Hey-ho.
If May's deal goes down then she will have the vote on 'No deal' and that will also be rejected. The extend A50 vote will most likely be upheld. This means that the 2 pillars of May's raison d'etre namely the WA and Leave on the 29th are pretty much impossible. She would have to resign.
You provided absolutely nothing.
The EU doesn't reduce democracy in the UK and leaving won't increase it. And then you talk about syncing the UK's economy with large and rapidly growing economies that are supposed not be protectionist.
Who are these economies? I hope that you are not talking about China or India because they are very much protectionist.
If May's deal goes down then she will have the vote on 'No deal' and that will also be rejected. The extend A50 vote will most likely be upheld. This means that the 2 pillars of May's raison d'etre namely the WA and Leave on the 29th are pretty much impossible. She would have to resign.
Extending A50 would require a significant event for the 27 to approve it. If it's a GE what would then go into the respective parties manifestos regarding what they would do about Brexit? This is a real conundrum because both main parties are so split. If it's a 2nd referendum what would the questions be?
Then there's the timing. It's difficult to see how a GE or 2nd Ref could be done in 3 months. So we'd have to increase the extension period and contest the European elections.
In any case I can't see a GE or a 2nd Ref resolving anything.
And what does 'syncing' even mean?
This is one part of the Leave mentality that I have never quite understood.
The EU is a massive market with massive negotiating clout. Why would you voluntarily leave that and then go on the world stage to negotiate new trade deals with a fraction of the market size, and therefore a fraction of the clout?
Might be that the UK had to leave NI behind in return?