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The Firestarter said:
No way A50 is revoked , it will be a field day in the press with the pitchforks out for those who voted. "Enemies of the people " , etc.
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They’ll do nothing. Just a bunch of loud obnoxious cnuts (both right wing press and right wingers themselves). From day one to now.
 
Baxter said:
It was the Alex Jones thread if I remember
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That it was mate. I think the post needs to be resurrected so that people can see who they’re arguing with and not waste their energy.

Striker10 said:
No. Here's the thing. People can say he's a nut and deserves to be censored but prove to anyone he's not playing a role for the sole purpose of introducing censorship and you can't and therefore it's a dangerous route to go down JUST because you believe he's this or that (it means you take things at face value). Because then you are being herded like sheep down a certain interlectual path that don't HAVE to be true.... If you follow politics or know much the CIA coined the term conspiracy theorist. By definition in 2018, if you ask a question that is not supported by the mainstream, that is what you are. It's dangerous to be put under an umbrella because it allows for generalization. YouTube and the like talk about 'hate speech', but this is all politically motivated. People don't get that when you have big corporations financing people trying to get into government, then THAT by it's nature IS a conspiracy. And likewise if a government was in control how can it ever be in debt and what is the purpose of any government to be in debt? It can only ever be to influence policy. Especially when you had a time whereby governments could create money interest free. It seems almost stupid to put debt on yourself unless there is a reason people are not told. But Corporations don't pay big money, for zero influence. It's bad business. So I think you can look at this from multiple perspectives rather then one. The foundation for me is the credibility of the man. Is he legitimate OR was his purpose to be seen as crazy as to create this snowball effect? When you legitimize something then you accept the notion of censorship PERIOD but isn't it funny? You have the dark web...where people can hire someone to commit murder say...or to buy drugs and that's not censored and that don't cause outrage...and yet you get the media thinking Alex Jones is the biggest threat? :) ( I wonder if it's to influence people who are not clued in or tech savvy and perhaps who are much more likely to vote) This is all politics and from my POV, he must return to youtube and if you don't want to watch him? Don't. But some people choose to be offended for a whole host of reasons. Oh and check out the alex jones indie song which is really good
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This is who has been causing chaos for the past couple pages :lol:
 
In fairness he mentioned the nwo in his second post or so. Shouldn't have needed 2 pages to cop that replying to him wasn't going to be especially productive.
 
At least my conspiracy theories involve those fascinating Kardashians...
 
Ah damn i missed another representative of the common man coming in telling us how it is.

We had endless debates which had significant viewing figures, there was never ever a push towards no deal even from the hardest brexiteers. I know it's been two years but people can't be that forgetful
 
Smores said:
Ah damn i missed another representative of the common man coming in telling us how it is.

We had endless debates which had significant viewing figures, there was never ever a push towards no deal even from the hardest brexiteers. I know it's been two years but people can't be that forgetful
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To be fair, the minute people voted the Leave campaign switched its goal to a no deal while accusing the EU of not being nice enough to give a good deal to the UK. So people probably have forgotten what was said before the vote.
 
SqueakyWeasel said:
I guess we're both reading that article a little differently then.

No matter. As for the key point you mention, I've been saying that all along, No point extending just to rinse and repeat. It has to be for something different. That is why I can't understand the MPs being whipped at the moment for "malthouse" – the EU have already rejected that have they not?
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I get where you are coming from. I put an emphasis on the multiple "ifs" while you focus on one particular scenario where a 21 months extension would make sense. I can't say that you are wrong because that wouldn't be consistent with my point about the fact that we can't tell until member states have more information about the purpose of the extension but I don't think that it's fair to say that the EU is more favorable to a lengthy extension because the quotes do not exclude the fact that EU leaders could be against an extension or that a three month technical extension could "cut it".

The thing that we know is that today without a clear decision made by the UK, no extension is the default position. I hope that you see my point.
 
Striker10 said:
Because to ignore a vote is to set a dangerous president. From a psychological POV, you can transpose it ideologicially to what the nazis did - which is repeat a lie often enough and eventually you'll believe it. You have to respect the people. If there is no respect to begin with then what does it say about the country? Are we still wearing diapers? Can we not accept a choice that people made and be positive? Diversity is our strength yes? It is or it isn't? We're pretty diverse....so what exactly are we doing as a nation? Progressing or regressing?...
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But thats exactly what the leave campaign did. Your posts are full of so many contradictions
 
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Brexiteers getting desperate....
 
Sassy Colin said:
Can I just get this quite clear, if Article 50 is revoked, can we carry on as before and forget this whole horrid Brexit nonsense?
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Yes, there would be no divorce, we will both be unhappy but we will stay together... for the sake of the kids!
 
I'm not old enough nor clued in enough to comment on the accuracy of this, but I thought it was quite funny.

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esmufc07 said:
If we vote for an extension and the EU reject it, what's more likely to happen? We just leave with No Deal or we revoke A50?
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May continues with her plan to run right down to the deadline, then hold another vote on her Withdrawal Agreement, this time either to accept it, or vote against again and leave with no deal by default.

We've not seen the last vote on the Withdrawal Agreement yet, in my opinion.
 
711 said:
May continues with her plan to run right down to the deadline, then hold another vote on her Withdrawal Agreement, this time either to accept it, or vote against again and leave with no deal by default.

We've not seen the last vote on the Withdrawal Agreement yet, in my opinion.
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This is highly possible, and at the end of the day, she'll say to Corbyn , is Labour going to back the deal or not, if not..
 
Cloud7 said:
That it was mate. I think the post needs to be resurrected so that people can see who they’re arguing with and not waste their energy.



This is who has been causing chaos for the past couple pages :lol:
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Looks like that chap is a tinfoil hat wearer
 
711 said:
May continues with her plan to run right down to the deadline, then hold another vote on her Withdrawal Agreement, this time either to accept it, or vote against again and leave with no deal by default.

We've not seen the last vote on the Withdrawal Agreement yet, in my opinion.
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Christ, is she trying to secure the top three parliamentary defeats? She's got the top two.

I wonder how many would flip to her deal over No Deal. Also I wonder what would anger Brexiteers more, leaving on May's Deal or revoking Article 50 and remaining.
 
711 said:
May continues with her plan to run right down to the deadline, then hold another vote on her Withdrawal Agreement, this time either to accept it, or vote against again and leave with no deal by default.

We've not seen the last vote on the Withdrawal Agreement yet, in my opinion.
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Well yeah that's her plan, I'm hopeful that parlaiment will have enough control to stop her doing this.

I'm hopeful that someone has the brains to demand indicative votes so that May is forced to go and ask for an extension on terms that will actually pass. That way the EU are likely to be convinced to extend. If they let her 'just ask' for the sake of it we're doomed
 
Striker10 said:
The idea of brexit was to be out of the EU. As far as i'm aware. Do we want to live in a dictatorship? I hear china care for their workers. The ones that get stressed, if they jump out the window they'll land in a safety net. As a nation people need to understand, we need to make the laws and we also need to make the money. Because the money system for starters is hampering us big time. We're being screwed by the bankers anyway.
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Feck off with that insulting bull shit. If you honestly think the EU is a dictatorship you should be stripped of your vote because of mental illness.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...b016d23425b22f#block-5c8928b7e4b016d23425b22f

Parliament 'divorced from reality', EU's deputy Brexit negotiator tells ambassadors

The EU’s deputy Brexit negotiator Sabine Weyand has said MPs’ decision to resurrect plans already rejected by Brussels countless times shows that parliament is “divorced from reality”.

Speaking at a closed-door meeting of EU ambassadors this morning, Weyand made the tart observation about the Malthouse compromise - a variant of plans rejected by Brussels numerous times.

Quoting private remarks by the Dutch prime minister, Mark Rutte, Weyand also said the decision to vote for no-deal was “like the Titanic voting for the iceberg to get out of the way”.

Officials have voiced astonishment that Theresa May is allowing a free vote on no-deal, rather than seeking to defend the Brexit agreement painstakingly negotiated with the EU over 20 months. One senior source told the Guardian the decision to hold a free vote was “incredible”.

Weyand, an architect of the Strasbourg assurances hammered out on Monday, said that the second historic defeat for May’s deal showed that “a short technical extension” of talks could now be ruled out.

But EU member states do not share this view. France and Germany are among several countries who want to see flexibility, although they share concerns about a long-drawn-out Brexit distracting the EU when it has numerous economic and foreign policy questions jostling for attention.

The ambassadors concluded that the highly political question of extending Brexit talks could only be decided by EU leaders, who will assess the question at a summit next Thursday (21 March). Insiders expect the decision will be taken on Thursday by leaders, rather than pre-cooked in advance by their officials.

If MPs vote for an extension on Thursday, a critical period of diplomacy will begin. Donald Tusk, the president of the European council, will meet the Dutch prime minister Mark Rutte on Friday, Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron on Monday, Leo Varadkar on Tuesday.

While various extension times have been mooted - from five weeks to 21 months - there has never been a default position. Insiders stress the decision will depend on what the UK asks for.

But there is growing impatience with the UK - one ambassador asked why the EU had to assess complicated scenarios, when the British government could revoke article 50.

Many EU diplomats and officials think a short extension - two to three months - would be pointless, while not lessening the distraction of Brexit. “The shorter the extension, the more likely it is going to stay on the European agenda,” said one diplomat, from a country that favours a flexible approach.

But others are talking tough, while the debate in parliament has not enhanced confidence in the British political system.

“The damage is done. We know they are still putting party before country and humouring people who believe in fairies,” said one source, referring to the revived Malthouse compromise. “There was a feeling ‘wouldn’t it be better to have a dose of no deal to bring some sanity to the debate?’”

But there is also wariness of no-deal Brexit and several ambassadors refused to accept a commission proposal that a second extension would be ruled out.
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So Spelman has now pulled her own amendment.

Dame Caroline Spelman, a former Conservative party chairwoman, decides she will not push her amendment to a vote.

Hers was one of two amendments - the other is the Malthouse Amendment - that were due to be voted on by MPs later today.

However, Dame Caroline, the main sponsor of the amendment, has decided not to push for it.

It is theoretically possible that someone else could - but that would be unusual.

Her decision is extremely helpful to the government who were going to tell MPs they could not vote in favour of that amendment.

The amendment put forward by Labour MP Jack Dromey and Dame Caroline changed the wording of the government motion to "this House rejects the UK leaving the EU without a Withdrawal Agreement and a Framework for the Future Relationship".
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-parliaments-47529293
 
Paul the Wolf said:
This is highly possible, and at the end of the day, she'll say to Corbyn , is Labour going to back the deal or not, if not..
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I'm not sure how May feels right now. But if it were me I'd be absolutely furious with the ERG and with DUP. The DUP especially because of the £1bn bung. She has absolutely nothing to lose now. Her party is all over the place, she's lost control of her cabinet and she has given undertakings not to contest the next GE as leader. As inflexible as she is I honestly believe that she is trying to act in the best interest of the country and working her arse off to do so while all the other twats stand around and point.

The WA is the only deal on the table and, if leave we must, in my opinion it is not that bad. It means that we have to do things in good faith, but it is a route out of the EU and does allow the referendum result to be honored. The people opposing it are doing so for numerous different reasons. But she is operating on the premise of honoring the vote and doing it in the least painful way for the economy and jobs.

This is now her raison d'etre. I don't even think she would want to be around for the future relationship negotiations.

She needs to get this vote over the line and given the shit treatment she has received at the hands of her own party, it would be no surprise to me if she gave up altogether getting the ERG and the DUP on board and offered the Labour party a GE plus workers rights etc etc, in exchange for supporting her deal. She could then stand down claiming Brexit was delivered and stick it to the headbangers in her own party to boot.
 
Thought this was a Daily Mash post at first but no it's actually from my local paper.

https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/...e-brexit-vote-thank-you-theresa-may-1-5936038

But after another lost vote on the terms of Britain’s withdrawal, Theresa May can take at least some comfort from a group of Felixstowe residents - who sent her a thank you card for all her work.

Margery Girling House resident Don Garfield-Smith, 90, organised the card with fellow residents on Wednesday, March 13 morning after saying he was “inspired” by the prime minister’s handling of the Brexit conundrum.

“I was talking to other residents, and we all agreed about how sorry we felt for her,” Mr Garfield-Smith said. “So, we clubbed together and bought her a card.

“We admire her for all she’s done. It’s been an incredibly difficult job and we think she’s done really well.

“She’s so tenacious and sticks to her guns. She’s done everything for the best for the country, not for her career or to appease her own party.

“She’s a real-life wonder woman.”
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feck. Me.
 
Honest John said:
I'm not sure how May feels right now. But if it were me I'd be absolutely furious with the ERG and with DUP. The DUP especially because of the £1bn bung. She has absolutely nothing to lose now. Her party is all over the place, she's lost control of her cabinet and she has given undertakings not to contest the next GE as leader. As inflexible as she is I honestly believe that she is trying to act in the best interest of the country and working her arse off to do so while all the other twats stand around and point.

The WA is the only deal on the table and, if leave we must, in my opinion it is not that bad. It means that we have to do things in good faith, but it is a route out of the EU and does allow the referendum result to be honored. The people opposing it are doing so for numerous different reasons. But she is operating on the premise of honoring the vote and doing it in the least painful way for the economy and jobs.

This is now her raison d'etre. I don't even think she would want to be around for the future relationship negotiations.

She needs to get this vote over the line and given the shit treatment she has received at the hands of her own party, it would be no surprise to me if she gave up altogether getting the ERG and the DUP on board and offered the Labour party a GE plus workers rights etc etc, in exchange for supporting her deal. She could then stand down claiming Brexit was delivered and stick it to the headbangers in her own party to boot.
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Agree on the whole. DUP are a loose cannon. The thing is even if all the Tories voted for it , even the ERG, and all the rest of parliament voted against it , she'd still lose. Would Corbyn back down, as all his fence-sitting would be for absolutely nothing.
 
Klopper76 said:
Christ, is she trying to secure the top three parliamentary defeats? She's got the top two.

I wonder how many would flip to her deal over No Deal. Also I wonder what would anger Brexiteers more, leaving on May's Deal or revoking Article 50 and remaining.
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May's plan doesn't allow for that, so you'll never know.

Separately, I would go for Clarke's plan, give MPs a single transferable vote on the three options, so there would have to be a winner. I admit I don't know if it's constitutionally possible, but the speaker didn't put his amendment to the vote anyway. I'd be quite happy for the people to be given the same option personally, but everyone on the caf seems to think people shouldn't have referendums, so the MPs would have to do.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Agree on the whole. DUP are a loose cannon. The thing is even if all the Tories voted for it , even the ERG, and all the rest of parliament voted against it , she'd still lose. Would Corbyn back down, as all his fence-sitting would be for absolutely nothing.
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He wants (a) to get out of the EU and (b) a GE - it would be tempting as this would play to the Northern marginals. The only downside would be the wider membership who are very-much remain, but he could take a chance on that.
 
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