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Bunch of Brexit wankers and the Telegraph. 'Nuff said.
Bunch of Brexit wankers and the Telegraph. 'Nuff said.
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The fact that rag is still considered a paper of record is an insult to journalism
I voted Brexit for shits and giggles. I’m glad it’s still causing problems.
I can't be the only one enjoying seeing him turn on those that turned to him purely for political gain. The collateral is huge but every cloud has it's silver lining after all.
I don't take any joy out of it unfortunately. And that tweet isn't really accurate in how its framed. The man is a cancer on British politics and has had arguably the most destructive impact of any single individual without ever actually being elected to parliament in the recent past.
The issue with Brexit, as with some 'revolutions', is that it and its adherents will end up consuming themselves with ever escalating versions of purity of their revolutions. So most of the most extreme adherents won't ever have the 'gotcha, I was wrong, hold my hands up moment' that many on here want. What will happen (and is happening) instead is that they will hide behind an illusion that the Brexit that we have is not pure enough, that the people navigating it are not competent enough. If only we broke with the EU even more and ripped up every single rule. If only I was in charge and had signed more amazing trade deals. If only we lit a bonfire to regulations as a whole. If only we antagonised our neighbours and closest allies even more. If only, if only, if only. Its frankly never ending and always will be and ends up with some of the ridiculous situations we have had where the remainer Truss (perhaps the only sensible thing she's ever said or done) somehow ends up outflanking actual ardent Brexiteer Sunak, simply to appeal to an increasingly zealous base.
I don't disagree with any of that. In the bigger picture it's all a tragedy. However i'm petty enough that that doesn't keep me from enjoying seeing them turn on each other. I guess it's down to personal level of pettiness
For Farage and his ilk, Brexit in itself means nothing to them. It was purely a vehicle to push the UK towards a right-wing, libertarian society where big business can do as it pleases without restriction. Farage doesn't care about British values or EU bureaucrats. If the EU offered everything he wanted in terms of de-regulation etc, then he'd be waving an EU flag instead of the union jack.
I think that's exactly what will happen.
Time will pass, new generations will see Brexit for what it was, I'm just sorry for those that lost opportunities they might have had.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-approach-to-migration?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
I wonder what vehicle which currently exists would influence European neighbours and help enact continental level policy....
I wonder what vehicle which currently exists would influence European neighbours and help enact continental level policy....
How do people still give this moron airtime.
Brexit has happened exactly as predicted. He got exactly what he wanted. The Uk out of the EU. There are absolutely zero benefits to Brexit and never could be.
Anyone still clinging to any hope that it's going to get better is a fool. Furthermore it's going to get worse. Lots of things are not even in place yet. yeah project fear. No!
But as people are so ignorant of what Brexit actually means, and there is only one version, not thousands of different versions as in people's minds , the UK are out of the EU, that's the only version. They'll keep hoping that an impossibility will happen and suddenly eveything will turn out all right.
There's only one course of action, start trying to get back as soon as possible. Twenty or thirty years of suffering is a long time. The Uk with the Tories and Starmer will be still going in the wrong direction. Every day counts.
Getting this dildo, Farage, behind bars, would be a small piece of justice.
You can't make it up. Decades of wanting to have control of your own borders and home office policies, which they had. And now that they are out, tories want a continental approach to these problems?
Oh I don't disagree and would also find it hilarious if the outcome of Farage turning on the Tories over the past 15+ years hadn't unfortunately been shifting the entire party's political compass hard to the right.
He's essentially subsumed the Tories when it comes to the EU, migration policy etc.
Now even people who would have been considered relatively extreme before are mainstream and in cabinet and many who I'd have considered pretty right wing have been struck from the party for being too moderate.
Difficult to not see a similar situation if he comes back to politics. Especially as they've clearly run out of ideas and seem to plan to run on grossly culture war issues.
It's a serious case of the lunatics running the asylum, isn't it? Absolutely bonkers.
You can't make it up. Decades of wanting to have control of your own borders and home office policies, which they had. And now that they are out, tories want a continental approach to these problems?
We now at the who is to blame for the shit brexit stage.
If we pretend that they are not playing games, it means that these people genuinely have no clue about how and why the EU works the way it does. Similar remarks have been made about customs, international cooperation, diplomacy and many other topics.
They are a few steps away from suggesting the creation of a supranational organization within which nations keep their sovereignty but are encouraged to cooperate and find solutions to shared issues.
Because these people have been to Eton, university or whatever doesn't mean that they are clever. In areas which you are knowledgeable or which I am knowledgeable we can tell that most of them have no idea what they're talking about. The public see them as their leaders and believe what they say.
Boris Johnson is a perfect example. He appears clever to some people but he is just a con-man. The con-man seems clever to the ignorant and who are taken in by the lies. To others he comes over as a crook and actually not very bright.
Brexit was always going to end up with cries of betrayal and lack of ideological purity. It could only ever have worked if the UK was the size of the US (which is where most if these idiots and conmen get their ideas). As for Farage, it has worked for him - he has made money and kept in the spotlight and his family have their German passports anyway so they don’t have to queue at immigration with the great unwashed.
There are grifters. Left or right doesn't matter. I have seen it in spain with "politicians" that started in the communist party when it seemed that was about to somewhat succeed after the dictatorship and ended in right wing and far right wing parties
And they grift whereever they are. Farage could well be in the left grifting but his way found a path on the right. Then you could be a grifter that supported Brexit and a grifter that supported EU (aka Boris Johnson famous 2 speeches pro and against Brexit). Farage path again went on the Brexit grift where he was making money as european parlamentary and he was pushing for brexit as a grift. He didn't want brexit because that was his sole motive of political existance/grift. He would be able to milk that till he would retire. Brexit was the worst news for him but once the referendum was done, he had to keep milking anything brexit related. And he will keep doing it, but he lost a long term grift. That is one of the few good things about brexit. This cnut not being able to sit comfortable in brussels grifting for the next 20 years
And they grift whereever they are. Farage could well be in the left grifting but his way found a path on the right. Then you could be a grifter that supported Brexit and a grifter that supported EU (aka Boris Johnson famous 2 speeches pro and against Brexit). Farage path again went on the Brexit grift where he was making money as european parlamentary and he was pushing for brexit as a grift. He didn't want brexit because that was his sole motive of political existance/grift. He would be able to milk that till he would retire. Brexit was the worst news for him but once the referendum was done, he had to keep milking anything brexit related. And he will keep doing it, but he lost a long term grift. That is one of the few good things about brexit. This cnut not being able to sit comfortable in brussels grifting for the next 20 years
Whether you like it or not it's never going to happen, do you really think after all that's gone on that the UK would be allowed back in as if nothing had happened, there would be terms and conditions that most Brits would find unacceptable
Even the thought of rejoining the EU is more than unacceptable to many. It is not going to happen. Not in my lifetime at least.
Depends how bad it gets. I can see us going cap in hand to the EU within a decade or so. Rendering the whole endeavour a geo-political disaster and the nation being worse off than where it started from.
No, rejoining is not got to happen in my lifetime but the UK are still drifting further away. Every day they drift further it will take another two to come back. Inevitably they will come back, who knows when, but decades in the future. The dreams of trade deals with imaginary countries will gradually evaporate and the gradual downturn of the UK economy will make eventually force them to concede on much worse terms as determined by the EU. There's no magic solution to the UK's continuing worsening problems. And there is no other solution than rejoining the EU at some point.
The more time they waste trying to pull away the worse it will get.
Agreed. The worst thing that happened to the Brexit mouthpieces like Farage was that the UK voters were daft enough to actually go through with it.
Populists with promises and nothing of substance to back them. Some voters fall for it all the time.
https://news.sky.com/story/nigel-fa...nefited-but-downing-street-disagrees-12882281
Anybody will even half a brain cell knows that Brexit has not been and will not be working in the future.
And yes of course much of that is down to the total incompetence of this inept Tory government.
But the truth is that Brexit was never going to 'work'.
I mean what did people expect.
You decide to have a very messy divorce from the biggest and most successful trading block in the world.
You promise the people who were gullible enough to actually swallow all of the bullshit that just by leaving, all of the UK problems were going to vanish overnight.
You then hurl insults at the EU and blame them for everything that has happened since.
This is Farage trying to say 'nothing to do with me' when the fact is that it is everything to do with him and his stupid pipedream.
Brexit is and will continue to be a self inflicted catastrophe.
That is just the way it is so get used to it.
Anybody will even half a brain cell knows that Brexit has not been and will not be working in the future.
And yes of course much of that is down to the total incompetence of this inept Tory government.
But the truth is that Brexit was never going to 'work'.
I mean what did people expect.
You decide to have a very messy divorce from the biggest and most successful trading block in the world.
You promise the people who were gullible enough to actually swallow all of the bullshit that just by leaving, all of the UK problems were going to vanish overnight.
You then hurl insults at the EU and blame them for everything that has happened since.
This is Farage trying to say 'nothing to do with me' when the fact is that it is everything to do with him and his stupid pipedream.
Brexit is and will continue to be a self inflicted catastrophe.
That is just the way it is so get used to it.
That is how most all of the religions worked for many centuries.
Manage to convince enough people that you are far more clever than you really are and that you know so much more than they do. Knowledge is power. All you have to do is to convince people that you have such knowledge.
Has he brought his ticket yet?
Yes. In days of yore , people were scared to death they would be sent to eternal damnation if they didn't toe the line.
Now the Daily Mail is the bible and you may hear a foreign accent on a bus if you don't toe the line.
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Going well, aint it?
Vauxhall-maker says UK needs to change its Brexit deal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65612295
Vauxhall-maker says UK needs to change its Brexit deal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65612295
Remotor
And even Nissan is talking about where they would be deciding to build their electric versions of the Juke and Quashqai and that may not be in the UK.
Within the last decade, the number of cars produced in the UK has fallen from close to 1.7 million to 0.95 million and both Honda and Vauxhall no longer produce cars here, as well as the extremely popular Ford Transit. BMW are planning to produce the Mini Electric in China.
All this against the claim by the government that the UK will be right at the front of EV production. Total rubbish as usual.
And next year things will be significantly worse when the EU imposes the 10% tariff.
With only Nissan producing EV batteries in the UK and no Giga Battery facilities being planned, it is perfectly obvious that almost all of UK car production could be lost.
What is shambles for a party that claims to be pro business.
The ignorance and stupidity hasn't changed. Scary.
Media brainwashing still working well.
The story is based on what Starmer said yesterday about wanting a “better Brexit deal” as he said Labour would respond to calls from British car manufacturers for the government to negotiate changes to the “rules of origin” provisions in the Brexit deal that could lead to British exports facing prohibitive tariffs next year. Starmer has not raised this particular issue before, but what he said was in line with his long-standing commitment to negotiate changes that would make the Brexit agreement function more smoothly. (To the dismay of pro-Europeans, he has ruled out a substantial renegotiation, such as taking the UK back into the single market or the customs union.)
This morning Jim McMahon , the shadow environment secretary, insisted that Starmer was not proposing a wholesale renegotiation.
Asked on Sky News whether Starmer’s comment meant he would “start again” with talks and abandon the current deal, McMahon replied:
This pretty much confirms what I knew about Starmer from day one back in 2016.
He doesn't understand the EU, he doesn't understand international trade and doesn't understand Brexit.
Which "Brexit Deal" is he going to renegotiate? The Withdrawal Agreement is not being re-opened. The trade deal is up for minor renegotiation in 2026.
The Uk (apart from NI) is in a different Custom's Area, you plonker, there has to be borders and checks. Why should the EU let you be more competitive? You are now a competitor. Before you were a trading partner on the same side.
Wake up you moronic idiot!
This morning Jim McMahon , the shadow environment secretary, insisted that Starmer was not proposing a wholesale renegotiation.
Asked on Sky News whether Starmer’s comment meant he would “start again” with talks and abandon the current deal, McMahon replied:
McMahon said Labour would seek to “reduce red tape and allow us to trade on a competitive basis”, for example, but a return to free movement “isn’t on the table”.
This pretty much confirms what I knew about Starmer from day one back in 2016.
He doesn't understand the EU, he doesn't understand international trade and doesn't understand Brexit.
Which "Brexit Deal" is he going to renegotiate? The Withdrawal Agreement is not being re-opened. The trade deal is up for minor renegotiation in 2026.
The Uk (apart from NI) is in a different Custom's Area, you plonker, there has to be borders and checks. Why should the EU let you be more competitive? You are now a competitor. Before you were a trading partner on the same side.
Wake up you moronic idiot!
Oh I think he knows all that. He's just saying that to appease the usual mob. Basically he's saying we're not redoing Brexit but we can make it work better which is what they want to hear even though he knows it's bollocks. They all know it's bollocks. It is bollocks.
As people have been saying, Labour are playing their cards close to their chests in case the (thick, selfish, racist, cnuting) Tories pick up on any solution they might be thinking and rebrand it for their own election campaign.
I'm hoping for that rather than Labour holding a Big Bluff. The only way we're going to find out is to call (i.e vote them in).
If that is the case - he's still only appealing to loony Brexiters. But they're not interested in the economic side of it. Brexit has now boiled down to what it was always all about - flag waving and foreigners.
Having followed this from the beginning, Starmer really is clueless about Brexit. Seven years of watching him and listening to him.
If I had still been living in the UK, I wouldn't vote for the Tories and I wouldn't vote for Starmer. There must be millions of people like me who have no representation unless you vote for a minor party who have no chance of winning.
The last person to oppose the Tories now, would be Starmer. If he gets to be PM at the next GE he'll probably have killed the Labour Party for good.
Badenoch claims problem raised by UK carmarkers worried about tariffs 'isn't to do with Brexit'
Kemi Badenoch, the business and trade secretary, has said that the problem raised by car manufacturers worried about exports to the EU facing tariffs from next year “isn’t to do with Brexit”.
When you really don't know what you're doing - you should really give up and call it a day.
Kemi Badenoch, the business and trade secretary, has said that the problem raised by car manufacturers worried about exports to the EU facing tariffs from next year “isn’t to do with Brexit”.
When you really don't know what you're doing - you should really give up and call it a day.