Bundesliga 2015/2016

@Balu
I'm still too lazy to check but BILD apparently claims that fees or commissions for coaches / managers / other staff are not included in those numbers.
 
Crossie said:
@Balu
I'm still too lazy to check but BILD apparently claims that fees or commissions for coaches / managers / other staff are not included in those numbers.
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According to Heldt, it's player transfers (both bought and sold) and contract extensions. They've done the following deals:

Bought: Geis, Nastasic, Di Santo, Schöpf, Caicara, Hojbjerg (on loan)
Sold: Draxler, Farfan, Papadopoulos
Left on a free: Santana, Fuchs, Barnetta, Boateng
Extensions: Höwedes, Sane

In theory, you shouldn't have to pay an agent anything if your player leaves for free, right? I guess, they paid Boateng something to leave 6 months before his contract ran out just to get rid of him, but it can't be much. Well, it shouldn't be that much.

Did they have any big contract extensions other than Höwedes and Sane?

It's proper mental that they had to pay more money to agents for all that compared to Bayern for:

Bought: Vidal, Costa, Coman (on loan), Kimmich, Ulreich, Tasci (on loan)
Sold: Shaqiri, Schweinsteiger, Dante, Reina, Hojbjerg (on loan), Kirchhoff
Extensions: Alonso, Thiago, Martinez, Boateng, Müller

How the feck did that happen? It's just totally insane. They should sue Heldt.
 
@Balu
Didn't Fährmann extended his contract too in that time frame? And didn't Uchida extend before his injury? I'm not sure. KPG was reported to have earm about €7-8m. Therefore I'd suspect Schalke gave him and his agent a nice compensation package to leave early.
Wasn't Kirchhoff sold in summer, and wasn't Nastasic bought in the window of January 2015?

Anyway, generally clubs and agents are free to negotiate any type of payment - from in one chunk up to yearly payments. Schalke being Schalke - notoriously needy - it wouldn't surprise me if commissions from previous season(s) carried over into that time frame so that payments for all contract extensions and acquisitions of various Schalke players currently employed by S04 would be included, e.g. extensions of Max Meyer, Donis Avdijaj (spell?), contracts for Choupo-M., Sam, Nastasic, ...

It would be really interesting to have more details added to the tallies provided in that DFL list.

Edit: Just found this at Kicker.de
Die schlechte Nachricht zuerst: Für den Abschied Boatengs muss der FC Schalke eine nicht unerhebliche Summe zahlen - sie befindet sich im siebenstelligen Bereich und ist in Teilraten fällig.

Die gute Nachricht ist: Schalke kommt günstiger weg, als wenn Boateng seinen Vertrag ausgesessen hätte. Das Arbeitspapier wäre noch bis zum Sommer gelaufen, Schalke hätte also das Gehalt seines Ex-Stars ein halbes Jahr weiterzahlen müssen. Die Summe hätte sich auf rund 400.000 Euro belaufen - monatlich.

Der zu zahlende Betrag nun ist geringer und Boateng darauf eingegangen, weil er ein großes Interesse hat das zu tun, wozu er auf Schalke nie wieder die Gelegenheit bekommen hätte: Fußball spielen.
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Crossie said:
Wasn't Kirchhoff sold in summer, and wasn't Nastasic bought in the window of January 2015?
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Kirchhoff returned from loan and we sold him this summer, if I'm not mistaken. Nastasic was on loan at Schalke and they bought him in the summer. Difficult to say at what exact time the money was paid to the agents of course. Of course a few details might be wrong, but considering the volume of the transfers Bayern made and the wages we pay for the players who extended their contracts, Schalke simply shouldn't be close to us. It's ridiculous that they actually paid more agent fees than we did.
 
@Balu
I don't really disagree regarding Schalke but reckon that in a few years time when more reports are released we'll know a bit more, i.e. if the current tallies for clubs are more or less in the same region or outliers.
 
Seeing this thread I have to mention that kid Julian Nagelsmann, only 28 years old but in charge of a Bundesliga side and doing really well. Since he got appointed at Hoffenheim on February 11 he's won 4, drawn 1 and lost 2 with a side that before his appointment only had won 2 in 20 and looked certain for relegation. Now they're 14th, still only 1 point ahead of Augsburg in 16th (the relegation playoff place) though, but everybody laughed at his appointment, a bit like Alan Hansen's 'you can't win anything with kids', but if you're good enough you're old enough it seems. I'm looking forward to see how his career goes.
 
I wouldn't say that people laughed at the Nagelsmann appointment. Sure, there were some jokes because he looks young even for his age, but in general I'd say that most football fans in Germany have learned that a coach doesn't necessarily need experience or a big name in order to be successful.
 
Yeah, I think that both media and fans throughout the country reacted surprisingly calm and are mostly curious about him. In general there has been a big trend in the Bundesliga to give young managers a chance who don't have a big name from their playing career. It's refreshing and this new generation of managers has improved the league a lot. Nagelsmann is of course extremely young even within that generation, but barely anyone laughed at the decision. And Hoffenheim is a great environment for that kind of experiment.
 
Nagelsmann has been very successful with Hoffenheim's youth team, and IIRC, Tim Wiese gave him some years back the nickname 'Mini Mourinho' because of his self esteem and determination.
 
do.ob said:
I wouldn't say that people laughed at the Nagelsmann appointment. Sure, there were some jokes because he looks young even for his age, but in general I'd say that most football fans in Germany have learned that a coach doesn't necessarily need experience or a big name in order to be successful.
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People are only laughing that some coaches like Stevens, Frontzeck, Kurz & Co. are still getting jobs somewhere.
 
Smart move to take off Vidal. Not only was he begging for a red card already, but Müller coming on revived our until then completely flat offense somewhat.
 
Alonso might not be a player for the big matches anymore, but yet again he was solid in the League. Along with Alaba, Ribéry and Neuer one of the better players today.
 
Wolfsburg XI
Casteels - Träsch, Naldo, Dante, M. Schäfer - Luiz Gustavo - Guilavogui, Arnold - Bruno Henrique, Schürrle - Dost

Mainz XI
Karius - Brosinski, Bell, Balogun, Donati - Baumgartlinger, Latza - Clemens, Malli, De Blasis - Cordoba

A win all but guarantees us European football next season, a draw might as well. Good to have Baumi and Balogun back, Jairo benched after Pablo and Clemens scored a brace each last week. It will be interesting to see how Wolfsburg play tonight after their excellent performance against Real midweek, and with the return leg in three days.
 
BVB: Bürki, Bender, Leitner, Hummels, Sahin, Ramos, Pulisic, Kagawa, Sokratis, Ginter, Durm
subs: Weidenfeller, Gündogan, Mkhitaryan, Reus, Aubameyang, Piszczek, Castro

That bench :drool:

Tuchel is playing a dangerous game here. I wouldn't put it part that starting XI to beat Schalke, but it's still a crazy risk to play a clear B-team in the derby against Schalke. If they lose today and don't get past Liverpool on Thursday, there will be very loud criticism.
 
What's the point of subbing Aubameyang last thursday if he wasn't starting today?
 
Hate that Dortmund XI. Was hoping they'd start with a strong team considering the rivalry with Schalke.
 
My stream broke, did he chip it or was it deflected? If it was a chip, that's a world-class buildup and finish.

Edit: 1-1
 
This second half is as great as the first was drab. Ginter goal :lol:
 
I still think Schalke's Matip is mainly rated highly because he's the only one of their centerbacks who can stay fit. Höwedes and Nastasic are clearly superior defenders. And Matip's older brother plays a significantly better season for Ingolstadt.
 
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